Another "Good Guy" with a gun murders wife and children

[Steven_R]

If the 4 year old and the 7 year old had been armed, this would never have happened....

Funny because I figured if the dad hadn't been a nut bar, this never would have happened.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

maybe just maybe his suicide threats

should have been taken seriously

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Someone sure worked hard to make this chart look like something the idiots could post on websites.

 

[Steven_R]

I also wonder about how the murder rates are skewed based on medical capabilities (or rather rapid access to a top tier trauma center). Someone getting shot in a place like LA or Chicago or DC or NYC can expect to get almost immediate transportation after the shooting. Someone living in the middle of nowhere will have to wait for EMTs to get there, then get transported to a local hospital for stabilization, and then get helicoptered to a larger hospital.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Seeing how liberals are so keen on stripping people of their rights, it sure would be interesting to get some data on the following:

How many domestic violence incidents are related to the wife declaring that she wants a divorce and child custody disputes and such.

If there is a relationship in play then we could just strip women of the right to divorce, the right to child custody, etc and by doing this we could lower the rate of domestic violence.

If we're OK with stripping people of their rights to own a firearm in order to reduce domestic violence homicide, then why not strip women of their right to divorce or right to child custody? I mean, it will reduce domestic violence homicide, right. That's all that counts, right?

 

[hazlnut]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

 

[KGB]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

none of what you proposed would have prevented this. And a lot of what you propose loosens up "innocent until proven guilty". Is your intent to undo our legal principals that have been around since the founding of the republic? If we could get rid of murder simply by passing a law, don't you think that would have been done already? Oh wait, we already have laws against murder, yet murder still occurs.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

Show of hands, who agrees with the OP

 

[Geaux4it]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

(((((YAWN)))))

BFD

Next

-Geaux

 

[zeke]

0]Never let a tragedy go to waste.[/B] How much do you want to bet that the blue state maniac shooter was a democrat? The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat. Why do democrats commit murder on such a scale? Maybe the same out of control hatred that prompted the post is a clue.

Well how about that. You took your own advice. But really, "every mass shooting in modern history.......blah blah". Any chance you can prove what you say. Or are you just taking advantage of a tragedy?

 

[Geaux4it]

As recent as 2012, 53.4% of murderers were black. Where race of the victim is known, 51% of victims were black. The article didn't clarify so please no speculation.

-Geaux

 

[Stephanie]

how sick is someone who get's off on other people's tragedies they run to a message board to post about it.

freaking ghoul

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressive Founding Fathers on Gun Control

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressive Founding Fathers on Gun Control

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressive Founding Fathers on Gun Control

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[asterism]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

What makes you think that gun shows, garage sales, and private sales are where criminals get guns?

 

[Geaux4it]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line

Um, no they don't

-Geaux

 

[Steven_R]

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

What makes you think that gun shows, garage sales, and private sales are where criminals get guns?

Masters with an agenda and their own lack of desire to look objectively at the statistics because facts and numbers are inferior to emotional pleas.

 

[R.D.]

Nuts are everywhere and many of them have guns.

And start idiot threads