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Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)
 
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Nuts are everywhere and many of them have guns.
 
Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFact

Honestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?
 
I am sure he was a law abiding citizen up until then. Lol.
 
Never let a tragedy go to waste. How much do you want to bet that the blue state maniac shooter was a democrat? The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat. Why do democrats commit murder on such a scale? Maybe the same out of control hatred that prompted the post is a clue.
 
Why the hell is this thread in politics?

Hazlnutbar you are out doing yourself today.
 
Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

Looks like another one of them tea bagging NRA responsible gun owners to me...
 
Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFact

Honestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Guess you should have kept reading huh?

We should note that while the Facebook postÂ’s comparison is accurate as far as it goes, it does ignore the single biggest category of weapons used in murders -- handguns. Handguns were used in 6,220 cases, or 72 percent of all firearm murders in 2011 and slightly under half of all murders using any kind of weapon that year.

This caveat illustrates how the selection and framing of statistics can be used to bolster one side or the other in the gun debate.

Our ruling

The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role of handguns in gun violence.*
 
Remember when Gloria started bitching about how many people were being murdered by guns and Archie pipes up with "would it make you feel any better, Little Girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Good times.
 
Never let a tragedy go to waste. How much do you want to bet that the blue state maniac shooter was a democrat? The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat. Why do democrats commit murder on such a scale? Maybe the same out of control hatred that prompted the post is a clue.
AND once again whitehall, that is simply a LIE.... shown to you once before, yet you are still repeating it????

Fact Check: Email was wrong about recent mass killers being liberals


Posted: March 14, 2013 - 8:52pm | Updated: April 4, 2013 - 12:01pm





By Carole Fader
Times-Union readers want to know:
An email says that recent mass killers were all progressive liberals and most were registered Democrats. Is that true?
The viral email lists the shooters in the killings at Fort Hood, Columbine High School, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Colo. and Newtown, Conn., as being registered Democrats. “Instead of registering and banning firearms,” the email says,”possibly we should register and ban progressive liberal Democrats.”
A look at whatÂ’s known about the suspects pretty much debunks this viral email.
The information in the email seems to have originated with Roger Hedgecock, a former mayor of San Diego and now a lobbyist, lecturer and conservative radio talk show host. In his radio broadcast, Hedgecock did not provide any evidence in any of the cases, making assumptions in some and inaccuracies in others.
The email assigns a Democrat tag to Adam Lanza, the Newtown, Conn., shooter, because, it says, Connecticut has almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. That is true (815,713 to 449,648, according to the latest state records) and it is also true that President Barack Obama carried Connecticut in the past two presidential elections.
But to assume that Lanza was a Democrat because of that makes an awfully large reach. Incidentally, as of the last election, there were 5,364 people registered as Republicans in Newtown, and 4,505 registered as Democrats. And Newtown went for Mitt Romney 51.7 percent to 47 percent, according to official election results.
NO PARTY TAGS IN VIRGINIA OR TEXAS
There is no proof of Fort Hood suspect Nidal HasanÂ’s political affiliation. He registered to vote in Roanoke County, Va., where he lived before being sent to Fort Hood, according to a Nov. 9, 2009, story in the Roanoke Times. Virginia does not allow registration by party, so he wouldnÂ’t have been registered as a Democrat.
Hasan could have registered in Texas when sent to Fort Hood, but Texas also does not register by party. If he voted in the Democratic primary in Texas, that would be his affiliation until a general election, in which he could have voted for whomever he wished, according to Texas voting law.
But HasanÂ’s voting habits have remained undisclosed; thereÂ’s absolutely no evidence that he is a registered Democrat.
Since Virginia does not have partisan registration, it would have been impossible for Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho to register as a Democrat there. Cho and his family were permanent residents of the U.S. as South Korean nationals, according to a Washington Post article that quoted the Department of Homeland Security.
While some Green Card holders can vote in state and local elections in a few states, they cannot do so in Virginia as all registered voters must be U.S. citizens.
ERRORS MADE BY BREITBART BLOGGER
Hedgecock’s allegation that Colorado theater shooting suspect James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who said he found Holmes’ voter registration records. But it was later determined that those records — though of a Holmes of a similar age — were not those of the suspect.
Breitbart later retracted the claim, saying: “Newly released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.”
Unfortunately, several conservative websites continued to run the incorrect information.
Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, the Columbine killers, were not old enough to vote, and Hedgecock acknowledges that. But claims that their parents were Democrats and progressive liberals have no proof. Both youth admired Timothy McVeigh, according to published reports, not Ted Kennedy, as the email purports. There is no substantiation that the families were registered Democrats.
Fact Check: Email was wrong about recent mass killers being liberals | members.jacksonville.com
 
Never let a tragedy go to waste. How much do you want to bet that the blue state maniac shooter was a democrat? The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat. Why do democrats commit murder on such a scale? Maybe the same out of control hatred that prompted the post is a clue.

You believe too many of those chain E-Mails. Puts you in the dunce chair.

The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth - Tulsa FBI | Examiner.com
 
Never let a tragedy go to waste. How much do you want to bet that the blue state maniac shooter was a democrat? The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat. Why do democrats commit murder on such a scale? Maybe the same out of control hatred that prompted the post is a clue.
AND once again whitehall, that is simply a LIE.... shown to you once before, yet you are still repeating it????

Fact Check: Email was wrong about recent mass killers being liberals


Posted: March 14, 2013 - 8:52pm | Updated: April 4, 2013 - 12:01pm





By Carole Fader
Times-Union readers want to know:
An email says that recent mass killers were all progressive liberals and most were registered Democrats. Is that true?
The viral email lists the shooters in the killings at Fort Hood, Columbine High School, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Colo. and Newtown, Conn., as being registered Democrats. “Instead of registering and banning firearms,” the email says,”possibly we should register and ban progressive liberal Democrats.”
A look at whatÂ’s known about the suspects pretty much debunks this viral email.
The information in the email seems to have originated with Roger Hedgecock, a former mayor of San Diego and now a lobbyist, lecturer and conservative radio talk show host. In his radio broadcast, Hedgecock did not provide any evidence in any of the cases, making assumptions in some and inaccuracies in others.
The email assigns a Democrat tag to Adam Lanza, the Newtown, Conn., shooter, because, it says, Connecticut has almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. That is true (815,713 to 449,648, according to the latest state records) and it is also true that President Barack Obama carried Connecticut in the past two presidential elections.
But to assume that Lanza was a Democrat because of that makes an awfully large reach. Incidentally, as of the last election, there were 5,364 people registered as Republicans in Newtown, and 4,505 registered as Democrats. And Newtown went for Mitt Romney 51.7 percent to 47 percent, according to official election results.
NO PARTY TAGS IN VIRGINIA OR TEXAS
There is no proof of Fort Hood suspect Nidal HasanÂ’s political affiliation. He registered to vote in Roanoke County, Va., where he lived before being sent to Fort Hood, according to a Nov. 9, 2009, story in the Roanoke Times. Virginia does not allow registration by party, so he wouldnÂ’t have been registered as a Democrat.
Hasan could have registered in Texas when sent to Fort Hood, but Texas also does not register by party. If he voted in the Democratic primary in Texas, that would be his affiliation until a general election, in which he could have voted for whomever he wished, according to Texas voting law.
But HasanÂ’s voting habits have remained undisclosed; thereÂ’s absolutely no evidence that he is a registered Democrat.
Since Virginia does not have partisan registration, it would have been impossible for Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho to register as a Democrat there. Cho and his family were permanent residents of the U.S. as South Korean nationals, according to a Washington Post article that quoted the Department of Homeland Security.
While some Green Card holders can vote in state and local elections in a few states, they cannot do so in Virginia as all registered voters must be U.S. citizens.
ERRORS MADE BY BREITBART BLOGGER
Hedgecock’s allegation that Colorado theater shooting suspect James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who said he found Holmes’ voter registration records. But it was later determined that those records — though of a Holmes of a similar age — were not those of the suspect.
Breitbart later retracted the claim, saying: “Newly released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.”
Unfortunately, several conservative websites continued to run the incorrect information.
Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, the Columbine killers, were not old enough to vote, and Hedgecock acknowledges that. But claims that their parents were Democrats and progressive liberals have no proof. Both youth admired Timothy McVeigh, according to published reports, not Ted Kennedy, as the email purports. There is no substantiation that the families were registered Democrats.
Fact Check: Email was wrong about recent mass killers being liberals | members.jacksonville.com

Whitehall believes all of those chain E-mails he receives and anything that any con posts on FB. Funny shit how someone can be so dumb.
 
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Remember when Gloria started bitching about how many people were being murdered by guns and Archie pipes up with "would it make you feel any better, Little Girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Good times.

You do realize that All In The Family was a spoof series making fun of Archie Bunker types, right?
 
Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

Here we see data from the Centers for Disease Control on female homicide victims where the cause of death was firearm and the data is broken down by race. This doesn't break out domestic violence from street violence and work violence. Most domestic violence happens with same-race couples. The noise from different race-couples isn't really going to skew the data that much so we can ignore it.

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Look at the black female victim rate. If we treat these victims, just for this exercise, as all being victims of domestic violence from their black husbands, then we should also make black men illegal for they're more dangerous than white men.

What of the good black guys who don't kill their wives? They share the same fate as the good gun owners who don't kill their wives - they have their rights stripped from them due to the POSSIBILITY that they might do something in the future.

Black husbands are more dangerous than white husbands, so black husbands should be made illegal in order to stop them from even having the chance to become good husbands who turn bad. Rights be damned.
 
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Remember when Gloria started bitching about how many people were being murdered by guns and Archie pipes up with "would it make you feel any better, Little Girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Good times.

You do realize that All In The Family was a spoof series making fun of Archie Bunker types, right?

And occasionally the writers ended up hoisting themselves by their own petards. They didn't realize it, but in that case they made Archie right.
 

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