An ice free day in the Arctic Ocean by 2030?

[HikerGuy83]

So sea levels will rise 26 ft in five years?

The list of failed predictions is getting to long.

One has to wonder when they will actually try to say something sane?

 

[ding]

The list of failed predictions is getting to long.

One has to wonder when they will actually try to say something sane?

I can't believe they are still making predictions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fake **** MAGAt poster. LOL

Tell us again how China's per capital CO2 is NOT melting the ice caps

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fake ******* CCP news

If what you're saying is true, and there's no chance of that, today's CO2 should be in the thousands

How much CO2 the USA has been adding annually?

How much industry did China have in 1960, 70, 80?

Virtually none compared to today. Today, China produces 260% of the US output

So for the chart to show the same high to low relationship in an overall increasing trend MUST mean that mankind contribution is negligible, doesn't even register on this chart

 

[HikerGuy83]

I can't believe they are still making predictions.

They must be betting on the principle that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Not that they've hit one yet.

 

[ding]

Yep, right up to the start of the industrial revolution.

Except the IPCC doesn't show that in their reports. According to you the planet should be naturally cooling even still today. Which is dumb in and of itself because glacial events are abrupt as ****. But it's even worse than that because according to you CO2 has saved the planet from thousands of feet of ice over significant parts of North America, Europe and Asia.

 

[Old Rocks]

The list of failed predictions is getting to long.

One has to wonder when they will actually try to say something sane?

Sheesh. The typical "Conservative' liar has spoken again. The predictions of the real scientists have if anything, been too conservative. We are seeing now what the 'alarmists' predicted for 2050.

 

[Old Rocks]

Except the IPCC doesn't show that in their reports. According to you the planet should be naturally cooling even still today. Which is dumb in and of itself because glacial events are abrupt as ****. But it's even worse than that because according to you CO2 has saved the planet from thousands of feet of ice over significant parts of North America, Europe and Asia.

Damn, any more nonsense to spew? Yes compared to the descent into a glacial period, the warming is adrupt, in that it takes only about 14,000 years to go from deep glacial to full interglacial. And your third sentence is a stupid lie. I have never said that we should be in a deep glacial period by now. On the contrary, I posted many graphs showing by the ice core record it takes a much long period to to from interglacial to full glacial than from full glacial to interglacial. And were you not so determinedly willfully ignorant, you could easily find the scientific papers explaining that.

 

[Old Rocks]

They must be betting on the principle that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Not that they've hit one yet.

Really stupid post.

Publication Abstracts​

Hansen et al. 1981​

Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

NASA GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

www.giss.nasa.gov

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How much industry did China have in 1960, 70, 80?

Virtually none compared to today. Today, China produces 260% of the US output

So for the chart to show the same high to low relationship in an overall increasing trend MUST mean that mankind contribution is negligible, doesn't even register on this chart

Since Chinas massive CO2 outgassing has not moved the Moana Lao readings, it's safe to assume that mankind has no measurable impact on global CO2

 

[HikerGuy83]

 

[fncceo]

There is NEVER an ice-free day when I’m at sea.

 

[gtopa1]

Really stupid post.

Publication Abstracts​

Hansen et al. 1981​

Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

NASA GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

www.giss.nasa.gov

 

[gtopa1]

There is NEVER an ice-free day when I’m at sea.

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I'm NEVER in an interglacial; ALWAYS ice free!!!

Greg

 

[toobfreak]

The Arctic Ocean has experienced periods of being ice-free.

Well, this is actually likely true. I'm not sure about the Arctic, but I'm pretty sure studies have proven that at least back during dinosaur times, there were somewhat tropical conditions at the pole, and dinosaurs lived there.

 

[ding]

Damn, any more nonsense to spew? Yes compared to the descent into a glacial period, the warming is adrupt, in that it takes only about 14,000 years to go from deep glacial to full interglacial. And your third sentence is a stupid lie. I have never said that we should be in a deep glacial period by now. On the contrary, I posted many graphs showing by the ice core record it takes a much long period to to from interglacial to full glacial than from full glacial to interglacial. And were you not so determinedly willfully ignorant, you could easily find the scientific papers explaining that.

You don't know what you are talking about. You are trying to distract from the fact that you claim the planet should be slowly cooling NOW which but that's not what the IPCC report shows at all. It's funny that you believe CO2 has saved the planet from 1000's of feet of ice over large portions of North America, Europe and Asia.

Glacial events, specifically abrupt Dansgaard-Oeschger (DO) events, have been observed throughout the last glacial period. These events involve rapid temperature fluctuations, with warming sometimes occurring by 46°F (25°C) over a few decades, followed by a more gradual return to cooler conditions. Similar abrupt climate changes have also been identified in other regions like the Asian and South American Monsoons, and the European-Mediterranean region.

The Younger Dryas event, occurring roughly 12,900 to 11,700 years ago, is known for its sudden cooling in the Northern Hemisphere, with temperature drops of 3-10°C (5-18°F).

 

[ding]

Examples of rapid cooling events:

• 8.2 kiloyear event:
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  This event, occurring around 8,200 years ago, is a notable example of rapid cooling during the Holocene epoch, characterized by a drop in global temperatures and a reduction in atmospheric methane levels.
  
  
• Younger Dryas:
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  This event, occurring about 12,800 years ago, is an example of abrupt climate change, with significant cooling observed in Greenland, Europe, and other regions.
  
  
• Heinrich events:
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  These events, which occurred during the last glacial period, are characterized by sudden cooling and changes in ocean circulation due to the release of freshwater from ice sheets.
  

Causes of rapid cooling events:

• Changes in ocean circulation:
  Disruptions to thermohaline circulation, the global system of ocean currents, can lead to cooling, as seen during the Younger Dryas.
  
  
• Freshwater influxes:
  Sudden releases of freshwater, like those from glacial lakes, can disrupt ocean circulation and cause cooling.

 

[ding]

Damn, any more nonsense to spew? Yes compared to the descent into a glacial period, the warming is adrupt, in that it takes only about 14,000 years to go from deep glacial to full interglacial. And your third sentence is a stupid lie. I have never said that we should be in a deep glacial period by now. On the contrary, I posted many graphs showing by the ice core record it takes a much long period to to from interglacial to full glacial than from full glacial to interglacial. And were you not so determinedly willfully ignorant, you could easily find the scientific papers explaining that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, this is actually likely true. I'm not sure about the Arctic, but I'm pretty sure studies have proven that at least back during dinosaur times, there were somewhat tropical conditions at the pole, and dinosaurs lived there.

If only they had built more windmills.

So sad.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Really stupid post.

Publication Abstracts​

Hansen et al. 1981​

Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

NASA GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

www.giss.nasa.gov

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