Of polar caps and climate change

[EMH]

Antarctica acquired its ice over millions of years when accumulation exceeded loss. That doesn’t mean it’s permanently in growth mode.

In the past 40 million years Antarctica has never had a net ice loss, how it accumulated 8 million cubic miles of ice.


Ice Ages start when a continent gets to within 600 miles of a pole, and it will stay that was until it moves more than 600 miles away from a pole. And while 40 million years is not "permanent," Antarctic ice has grown every one of those years... and the ice cores prove it, as well as the 8 million cubic miles of ice on it...

 

[Anomalism]

In the past 40 million years Antarctica has never had a net ice loss, how it accumulated 8 million cubic miles of ice.


Ice Ages start when a continent gets to within 600 miles of a pole, and it will stay that was until it moves more than 600 miles away from a pole. And while 40 million years is not "permanent," Antarctic ice has grown every one of those years... and the ice cores prove it, as well as the 8 million cubic miles of ice on it...

Antarctica didn’t grow ice every single year for 40 million years. Ice volume has expanded and contracted with climate changes. There were warmer periods when it retreated significantly.

Having a huge ice sheet today doesn’t prove continuous growth. It just means accumulation exceeded loss over long timescales.

We’re not guessing. Satellites measure Antarctica’s mass directly, and they show net ice loss in recent decades. Ice existing for millions of years doesn’t mean it can’t shrink under new conditions.

 

[EMH]

Antarctica didn’t grow ice every single year for 40 million years.

Your side has NEVER had any evidence refuting that. And you cannot refute 600 miles to the pole either.

Ice volume has expanded and contracted with climate changes

The idiocy continues. Earth, in its current orbit with the current Sun, experiences climate change BECAUSE of the change in the net ice on the planet, which controls...

ocean levels
temperature
atmospheric thickness/pressure
humidity
range of hurricanes possible


and you've already admitted the AMOUNT of ICE on the planet is all about how much land is near the poles.

Two polar oceans = Earth with little to no ice = Jurassic = warmer, wetter, 3-5 times current surface air pressure

Two polar continents = "two Antarcticas" = lower oceans, colder, lower air pressure, no ocean water would get to 80F so zero hurricanes

= exactly what Mars does every year it orbits

 

[EMH]

There were warmer periods when it retreated significantly

No actual evidence of that. You still insist the planet warms and cools as a whole after getting schooled on Greenland/North America. Earth had one ice age melting (North America) right next to one growing (Greenland) for the past million straight years, and continuing as Greenland gains ice and Ellesmere loses it.

 

[Anomalism]

Your side has NEVER had any evidence refuting that. And you cannot refute 600 miles to the pole either.








The idiocy continues. Earth, in its current orbit with the current Sun, experiences climate change BECAUSE of the change in the net ice on the planet, which controls...

ocean levels
temperature
atmospheric thickness/pressure
humidity
range of hurricanes possible


and you've already admitted the AMOUNT of ICE on the planet is all about how much land is near the poles.

Two polar oceans = Earth with little to no ice = Jurassic = warmer, wetter, 3-5 times current surface air pressure

Two polar continents = "two Antarcticas" = lower oceans, colder, lower air pressure, no ocean water would get to 80F so zero hurricanes

= exactly what Mars does every year it orbits

No actual evidence of that. You still insist the planet warms and cools as a whole after getting schooled on Greenland/North America. Earth had one ice age melting (North America) right next to one growing (Greenland) for the past million straight years, and continuing as Greenland gains ice and Ellesmere loses it.

I've already addressed all of this nonsense. You're just doubling down on ignorance.

 

[EMH]

I've already addressed all of this nonsense. You're just doubling down on ignorance.

All you have to do is find one piece of land within 600 miles of a pole not in ice age, or one single piece of land outside of 600 miles to a pole in ice age, but you can't do that.

All you have to do is find one single photo documenting "ocean rise," but you can't do that.



Surface Air Pressure is a better measure of Earth's atmospheric temperature than anything else, because it is a planetary measure, the average temperature of the entire atmosphere is in it. That's why it has been a "standard" down to 5 digits for decades...


Standard surface air pressure, defined as the average atmospheric pressure at sea level, is 1013.25 millibars (hPa), which equals 29.92 inches of mercury (inHg) or 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi). This standard value, often called 1 atmosphere (atm),




If Earth's atmosphere was warming, Surface Air Pressure would go up. It isn't because Earth's atmosphere is not warming AT ALL.... despite increasing CO2.

 

[Anomalism]

All you have to do is find one piece of land within 600 miles of a pole not in ice age, or one single piece of land outside of 600 miles to a pole in ice age, but you can't do that.

All you have to do is find one single photo documenting "ocean rise," but you can't do that.



Surface Air Pressure is a better measure of Earth's atmospheric temperature than anything else, because it is a planetary measure, the average temperature of the entire atmosphere is in it. That's why it has been a "standard" down to 5 digits for decades...


Standard surface air pressure, defined as the average atmospheric pressure at sea level, is 1013.25 millibars (hPa), which equals 29.92 inches of mercury (inHg) or 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi). This standard value, often called 1 atmosphere (atm),




If Earth's atmosphere was warming, Surface Air Pressure would go up. It isn't because Earth's atmosphere is not warming AT ALL.... despite increasing CO2.

Surface air pressure doesn’t rise just because the atmosphere warms. It’s set by the mass of air, not temperature. Earth is still warming, oceans are gaining heat, and ice sheets are losing mass. None of that depends on pressure going up. Also, your 600 mile rule is something made up. Do you have a source for it?

 

[EMH]

Surface air pressure doesn’t rise just because the atmosphere warms.

but it does rise when the atmosphere warms, all else static.

It’s set by the mass of air,

The mass of air matters too. Both mass of total atmospheric gas and temperature are highly correlated.

Earth is still warming, oceans are gaining heat, and ice sheets are losing mass. None of that depends on pressure going up

backwards and completely wrong. If Earth was warming, which it is not, surface air pressure would go up, as it does on Mars and Pluto and every other planet with an atmosphere, and did during Jurassic.

Also, your 600 mile rule is something made up. Do you have a source for it?

Once again we see that "the science" is parroting, where are you parroting this from? To a parrot, everyone else must be a parrot too, since a parrot never thinks.


The source of 600 miles to the Pole...

PLANET EARTH

Any land outside of 600 miles to a pole in ice age? NO
Any land inside of 600 miles to a pole not in ice age? NO


Why did Greenland freeze while North America thawed at the same time?

Greenland moved inside of 600 miles to the pole at the same time North America moved outside of 600 miles to the pole.


Our polar ice caps depend on land within 600 miles of a pole, that's the "rim" of our polar ice cap, to start. Once started the ice will push hundreds of miles outside of the polar circle, as North American Ice Age did, and Greenland does today.



Now, ask your AI how you can refute any of that.....

 

[Anomalism]

but it does rise when the atmosphere warms, all else static.







The mass of air matters too. Both mass of total atmospheric gas and temperature are highly correlated.









backwards and completely wrong. If Earth was warming, which it is not, surface air pressure would go up, as it does on Mars and Pluto and every other planet with an atmosphere, and did during Jurassic.









Once again we see that "the science" is parroting, where are you parroting this from? To a parrot, everyone else must be a parrot too, since a parrot never thinks.


The source of 600 miles to the Pole...

PLANET EARTH

Any land outside of 600 miles to a pole in ice age? NO
Any land inside of 600 miles to a pole not in ice age? NO


Why did Greenland freeze while North America thawed at the same time?

Greenland moved inside of 600 miles to the pole at the same time North America moved outside of 600 miles to the pole.


Our polar ice caps depend on land within 600 miles of a pole, that's the "rim" of our polar ice cap, to start. Once started the ice will push hundreds of miles outside of the polar circle, as North American Ice Age did, and Greenland does today.



Now, ask your AI how you can refute any of that.....

Ice formation isn’t dictated by a fixed 600 mile pole rule. Latitude, precipitation, temperature, and circulation determine where ice grows. Greenland and North America’s different ice histories are due to regional climate, not just distance from the pole.

 

[EMH]

Ice formation isn’t dictated by a fixed 600 mile pole rule. Latitude, precipitation, temperature, and circulation determine where ice grows. Greenland and North America’s different ice histories are due to regional climate, not just distance from the pole.

LOL!!!

Yes ice grows on mountain tops. We are talking about ICE AGES, which are continent specific. Greenland and Antarctica are ice ages. Ice ages form when land gets to within 600 miles to a pole.

Antarctica 90%
Greenland 7%

97% of Earth ice is on the two big ice ages of today. 0.3% on Elllesmere, the other piece of land within 600 miles. 97.3% of Earth ice is ice age. 2.7% is mountains and sea ice.

Greenland and North America’s different ice histories are due to regional climate, not just distance from the pole

Laughable. 600 miles to the pole explains what happened perfectly. Greenland just moved inside 600 miles to a pole and went into ice age 1-2 million years ago.

(Northern) Top of Greenland green (meaning all of Greenland green save mountains) 2 million years ago

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

as the ice age grew from the north and moved south, Middle of Greenland went forest to ice age 800-450k years ago

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

Vikings called it "Green" land because the southern tip was green when they first settled it. The ice age was "stuck" on the mountain range at the northern part of the southern tip. Then the ice age penetrated that mountain range, releasing all the force of building up to almost a mile thick to penetrate the mountain range. The Vikings were forced to leave in the 1400, and their mainland dwellings are buried under 600 ice layers now. That was the big talking point of Global COOLING in the 1970s.


North American Ice Age was 50 million years in duration, until 2012....

Google Search

when homO hid the fraud case in the closet and gave it to the CO2 FRAUD, and they quickly realized their FRAUD would not survive the correct conclusion that Greenland froze while North America thawed, so "Milankovich" was cooked up to deceive and continue CO2 FRAUD....



600 miles to a pole is something your side cannot refute at all.


North American Ice Age was 50 million years in continuous duration, because that is how long North America was within 600 miles of North Pole.

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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[Anomalism]

LOL!!!

Yes ice grows on mountain tops. We are talking about ICE AGES, which are continent specific. Greenland and Antarctica are ice ages. Ice ages form when land gets to within 600 miles to a pole.

Antarctica 90%
Greenland 7%

97% of Earth ice is on the two big ice ages of today. 0.3% on Elllesmere, the other piece of land within 600 miles. 97.3% of Earth ice is ice age. 2.7% is mountains and sea ice.





Laughable. 600 miles to the pole explains what happened perfectly. Greenland just moved inside 600 miles to a pole and went into ice age 1-2 million years ago.

(Northern) Top of Greenland green (meaning all of Greenland green save mountains) 2 million years ago

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

as the ice age grew from the north and moved south, Middle of Greenland went forest to ice age 800-450k years ago

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

Vikings called it "Green" land because the southern tip was green when they first settled it. The ice age was "stuck" on the mountain range at the northern part of the southern tip. Then the ice age penetrated that mountain range, releasing all the force of building up to almost a mile thick to penetrate the mountain range. The Vikings were forced to leave in the 1400, and their mainland dwellings are buried under 600 ice layers now. That was the big talking point of Global COOLING in the 1970s.


North American Ice Age was 50 million years in duration, until 2012....

Google Search

when homO hid the fraud case in the closet and gave it to the CO2 FRAUD, and they quickly realized their FRAUD would not survive the correct conclusion that Greenland froze while North America thawed, so "Milankovich" was cooked up to deceive and continue CO2 FRAUD....



600 miles to a pole is something your side cannot refute at all.


North American Ice Age was 50 million years in continuous duration, because that is how long North America was within 600 miles of North Pole.

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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I've already explained all of this to you, and I dumbed it down as much as I possibly could. I guess you just don't get it, and in your universe, everything you don't understand is a conspiracy.

 

[EMH]

I've already explained all of this to you, and I dumbed it down as much as I possibly could. I guess you just don't get it, and in your universe, everything you don't understand is a conspiracy.

Translation - you cannot refute one word of it

 

[Anomalism]

Translation - you cannot refute one word of it

Of course I can, and I have repeatedly. You literally don't live inside reality though, so you don't care. You just keep drooling and screaming your bumper sticker opinions.

 

[EMH]

Of course I can, and I have repeatedly. You literally don't live inside reality though, so you don't care. You just keep drooling and screaming your bumper sticker opinions.

When did you show us a photo of ocean rise?

When did you refute 600 miles to the pole?



You are a troll who lies a lot....

 

[Anomalism]

When did you show us a photo of ocean rise?

When did you refute 600 miles to the pole?



You are a troll who lies a lot....

I explained to you on multiple occasions why you can't eyeball science like your intuition wants to. That's not how science works.

The 600 mile rule you keep mentioning is literally something you made up and have no source for. It's nonsense. You make things up to fit your narrative. All of this has been addressed, but you go in circles and blatantly lie about it.

None of this is about science for you. It's about politics. That's why the science doesn't actually matter to you.

 

[EMH]

The 600 mile rule you keep mentioning is literally something you made up and have no source for.

naturally, since I am the author of it.

Now, try to refute it....

Can you find one single piece of land on Earth inside of 600 miles to a pole not in ice age now? NO

Can you finde one single piece of land on Earth outside of 600 miles to a pole in ice age now? NO


Thanks for playing

NO YOU CANNOT REFUTE 600 MILES TO THE POLE

 

[Anomalism]

naturally, since I am the author of it.

That explains a lot. Lol

You can barely string together coherent sentences, let alone author something meaningful.

 

[EMH]

That explains a lot. Lol

You can barely string together coherent sentences, let alone author something meaningful.

That's not a refutation.


600 miles to the pole stands as unrefuted truth


All land on Earth that gets to within 600 miles to a pole:

1. the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during "summer"
2. and hence the snow starts to stack, what the ice cores prove
3. that is the start of an ICE AGE which is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT that has a planetary climate impact


Why is Greenland in ice age while Alaska is not?

600 miles to the pole - period


ICE AGE

NOT ICE AGE

 

[Anomalism]

That's not a refutation.


600 miles to the pole stands as unrefuted truth


All land on Earth that gets to within 600 miles to a pole:

1. the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during "summer"
2. and hence the snow starts to stack, what the ice cores prove
3. that is the start of an ICE AGE which is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT that has a planetary climate impact


Why is Greenland in ice age while Alaska is not?

600 miles to the pole - period


ICE AGE

NOT ICE AGE

If I explain this to you again you'll just circle around and pretend it never happened. Lol

You're an ideologue. You don't care about science.

 

[EMH]

They accuse you of what they do and keep right on lying.


600 miles to the pole, pal.

You can't refute it.

Nobody can refute it.


Earth climate change now is 99% about WHERE LAND IS....