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I agree. I've got you pretty wound up.
America's Christian Heritage
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The Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 states in Article 11 that “the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” It is an argument used by those who are supporters of separation of church and state but unfortunately most Americans are not aware of the treaty.
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Because politicians never lie when it's to their advantage. lol Jefferson wrote a famous anti-slavery screed, then went on big business as a slave trader himself.
Denying the massive influence of Christianity on the Constitution and state govts. is an exercise in imbecility. Even the establishment clause comes directly from one of the 4 core founding platforms of the Baptist sect in 1611. As Forrest MacDonald points out, the evangelicals of the First and Second Great Awakenings voted almost 100% for Thomas Jefferson as Prez, defeating the Federalist factions, of whom some were intent on making Anglicism the national sect same as in England.
1797 Treaty of Tripoli
The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli has been used by some to counter arguments that the United States is a "Christian nation." The treaty, aimed to protect American ships from the Muslim Barbary pirates, assures that the United States was not founded upon Christianity.
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The provision, which may have been written by Joel Barlow (one of the American negotiators), but which is missing from its Arabic counterpart, was not repeated in other treaties with other powers in the region, and the treaty itself was superseded by another treaty in 1805 (Crane 2020, 404-405).
The treaty received little contemporary comment. American Jews later used the treaty provision to oppose antisemitic discrimination; strict church-state separationists have cited the provision to counter the view that the U.S. is a Christian nation, and others have interpreted it merely as a way of reassuring Muslim states that the U.S. would not use the Christian religion as a pretext for conflict.
The same people who claim this as 'proof' also keep claiming Paine, Jefferson, Franklin were the only Founders, an they were all atheists n stuff, so nobody needs to take them seriously .
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Are you arguing America has no Christian heritage?
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The entirety of Western Civilization is connected to the evolution of "Christianity". There is no denying its enormous influence and contributions to the thinking and functioning of the society that lifted women, ended slavery and established personal well being as a standard. Despite any criticisms that may be found of aspects of organizations or people claiming association with it, Christianity in a positive for humanity. Whether or not the various doctrines are valid, in spite of any beliefs one way or the other about the "super natural", the world has benefited from what are the fundamental teachings of Jesus.
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their contribution has seldom been the forefront of cultivation and only brought to lite when the issues become relevant and indefensible to make a difference - as slavery - exploitation of native americans ... it is the crucifiers who wield the christian bible as written to their advantage.
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separation of church and state is as American as Christian influence
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Christianity today?
America has a Christian Heritage, Yes absolutely.
A lot of Christian heritage these days is centered around 30 to 40 million white evangelical Christians who believe Don Trump when he says black immigrants are eating their dogs and cats.
Ohio Governor Says There's No Merit To Claims About Immigrants Eating Pets In Springfield
"The internet can be quite crazy sometimes," Republican Gov. Mike DeWine said.BY MARITA VLACHOU
This is for the stupid right wingers that think god is our leader, anyone's god and everyone's god is as important as any other.Because politicians never lie when it's to their advantage. lol Jefferson wrote a famous anti-slavery screed, then went on big business as a slave trader himself.
Denying the massive influence of Christianity on the Constitution and state govts. is an exercise in imbecility. Even the establishment clause comes directly from one of the 4 core founding platforms of the Baptist sect in 1611. As Forrest MacDonald points out, the evangelicals of the First and Second Great Awakenings voted almost 100% for Thomas Jefferson as Prez, defeating the Federalist factions, of whom some were intent on making Anglicism the national sect same as in England.
1797 Treaty of Tripoli
The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli has been used by some to counter arguments that the United States is a "Christian nation." The treaty, aimed to protect American ships from the Muslim Barbary pirates, assures that the United States was not founded upon Christianity.
The provision, which may have been written by Joel Barlow (one of the American negotiators), but which is missing from its Arabic counterpart, was not repeated in other treaties with other powers in the region, and the treaty itself was superseded by another treaty in 1805 (Crane 2020, 404-405).
The treaty received little contemporary comment. American Jews later used the treaty provision to oppose antisemitic discrimination; strict church-state separationists have cited the provision to counter the view that the U.S. is a Christian nation, and others have interpreted it merely as a way of reassuring Muslim states that the U.S. would not use the Christian religion as a pretext for conflict.
The same people who claim this as 'proof' also keep claiming Paine, Jefferson, Franklin were the only Founders, an they were all atheists n stuff, so nobody needs to take them seriously .
The treaty of Tripoli was America's first Treaty, It was supported by 100% of congress to a standing ovation. With signers of both the Declaration of Independents and the constitution making up the congress at that time. It was signed by John Adams with the comment, “We are now a Country.
One thing is made totally clear in this Treaty
Article 11
One of the most important parts of the Treaty of Tripoli has very little to do with the treaty's outcome. Article 11 of the treaty states:'As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.'
In fact our four fathers made it clear that it is way more important then Christian beliefs or Gods.
Put this into perspective and think about , our democracy has never been threatened more then MAGA and you idiots have done , supporting a piece of shit like Trump. No time in history was our democracy threatened more then you traitors, and no American should ever forget that. You are this countries enemy and you always will be. You no longer should or could be trusted and should be watched for the rest of your lives because if you get the chance you will try to bring down this country and it's democracy again. to force in a piece of shit for a dictator for life, just to get your way and control everyone.
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Another homosexual commie heard from.
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Separation of church and state was invented by Christians, evangelicals to boot. Pagans never dreamed of such a thing, and we know the Constitution never said anything about separation, it merely prohibited the Federal govt. from establishing one, not the states. You're just a neurotic Jesus hater, is all.
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I understand the Constitution is our difference.
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another liar ...
picaro is jewish, their terminology referring to who are not them as abraham's hereditary idolatry they embrace and use as their religious perspective. is why they included separation of religion and gov't written in the u s constitution.
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So find the phrase 'separation of church and state' in it. You can't, it bars the govt. from doing anything for or against Christianity at the Federal level. States could establish them for themselves all they wanted, free from Federal interference. We know this because several did. Massachusetts was the last to do so, and did so voluntarily, via it's own internal elections, in 1834. For those who think 'math is racist n stuff' that was 3 or 4 DECADES after the Constitution was ratified.
Thomas Helwys | Separatist, Baptist & Martyr
Thomas Helwys was an English Puritan leader, member of a Separatist group that emigrated to Amsterdam (1608), where he helped organize the first Baptist church. Returning to England (1611/12) to witness to his belief in adult Baptism and greater individual moral responsibility (against extreme
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Founder of the first denomination to embrace independence of churches from the state.
A Historical Sketch of Thomas Helwys - Helwys Society Forum
Upon reading the mission statement of the Helwys Society Forum, some readers have inquired about the origin of its name. Who was Helwys? Why is he important? Readers may begin with the page entitled Why Helwys? This post will expand upon the information on that page. Although I could say much...
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The doctrine of religious liberty represented an affront to the king’s authority and, shortly after publishing Mystery of Iniquity, Helwys was arrested and imprisoned in Newgate Jail where he died in 1616.
However, his thinking on religious liberty was carried forward by other General Baptists, such as John Murton. In addition, some of the people who boarded the Mayflower and landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, seeking relief for the persecution that resulted from their religious beliefs, were members of the Gainsborough congregation who Helwys led out of England into exile and back into England out of exile[3] Also, as the British colonies developed in the New World, the early Baptist leader Roger Williams argued for religious liberty partly by quoting long passages from Murton, thus drawing indirectly from Helwys himself.
Less than two hundred years later, American founders such as Thomas Jeffeson and James Madison would pull from Williams, as well as others, as they articulated the doctrine of religious liberty for the founding of the United States. Article VI of the Constitution would state that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States,” and the First Amendment would read, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
Notwithstanding the cries of progressives, the doctrine of religious liberty does not refer to the proposition that church and state are utterly separate; it refers rather to the proposition that the state should not coerce people to confess religious belief they do not hold. Religious liberty is, in a manner of speaking, not freedom from religion but freedom for religion. But this legacy goes back, not simply to the American founding, but further back to Williams, Murton, and even Helwys (as well as others I do not have the space to consider).
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American women didn't have many rights until the 1930s.
**** you no body, when you are that stupid people should just dump you braindead ass/ Good bye idiot.
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