America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[toobfreak]

Correct, if you talk to them and include them like famy they grow exceptionally well. If you scream at them they wither.

Back in the 1980s, I knew a lady who owned and ran a family plant store in the outskirts of the city limits. Store downstairs and they lived upstairs. She always gave off this very warm, friendly aura, in fact, the whole family did, and when you went over there, every plant there grew like they were on some sort of superfood.

It was like a jungle of green, you felt like you were in the Amazon and could use a machete to chop your way through the crowd of plants over and around you. There was not a bare spot in the place. I swear the woman had /trees/ growing in there! But she always had this quiet stringed music playing--- as you walked around, there were little hidden speakers tucked everywhere to give the place this constant if very subtle musical energy.

 

[Frankenstein]

Not so fast there. If God wanted us to needlessly kill animals, that would have been His original design. But His original - and ultimate - design is the exact opposite.

Genesis 1:29-30 (original)

Isaiah 11:6-9 (ultimate)

Animals were not created to be food. They later became "food", but that is an aspect of this fallen world, and it is temporary. From a biblical perspective, the future is peace and harmony among all creation, a restoration of the initial paradise, and how it was in the Garden of Eden. You clearly won't like it, if you like killing and death.

Deflection, rise Peter kill and eat, plants are living things

 

[Frankenstein]

Another idiot equating a carrot with a dog or cat

Well I certainly do not eat dogs, or cats, but nice deflection away from plants being living

 

[Carl in Michigan]

However, when we die, we too become some critters meal

The argument of the serial killer
"The circle of life" were all gonna die anyway. Doesn't matter that we steal a life not our own

 

[Carl in Michigan]

the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person

Definition of MURDER

the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person; specifically, law : such a crime committed under circumstances defined by statute; something very difficult or dangerous; something outrageous or blameworthy… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Terms HUMANS have created.
I define murder a little different.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Plant based foods were just another food fad.

Just like it was back in the 60's and 70's......"eat more veggies and less meat, cause meat causes cancer".

Yeah.

Doesn't ever stop the sale of meat smokers and BBQ grills, doesn it?!!!! LOL

 

[westwall]

The argument of the serial killer
"The circle of life" were all gonna die anyway. Doesn't matter that we steal a life not our own

Yeah, morality arguments don't work. Mankind has been eating tasty critters since time began.

If your God didn't intend for them to be eaten he wouldn't have made them taste so good.

 

[Meister]

Cute that you trust government employees to look out for you

I guess we could request the Chinese to inspect our meats.....right?

 

[Concerned American]

Believe what you want, but that is laughably ignorant. I think veganism actually aligns with libertarianism... for example, the Non-Aggression Principle, Liberty (in my view, truly valuing liberty doesn't go along with keeping intelligent beings in a tiny cage their whole life), Peace, Bodily Autonomy, etc.

And it certainly goes along with Christian teachings, like mercy, love, kindness, selflessness, etc.

Once again, you state things that are upside-down. I would say what IS fascist is paying for beings to be abused, tortured, caged, put into gas chambers and brutally killed... because you don't value their lives or dignity.

It is absurd and asinine to claim that compassion and respect for other lives is fascist.

Libertarian=ashamed democrat

 

[Concerned American]

Terms HUMANS have created.
I define murder a little different.

A term that is used extensively in the bible that you seem to like to use as a source. Why is it not enough for you and your sock to live your own life as you see fit while allowing others the same consideration? Closet democrats.

 

[buttercup]

Yeah, morality arguments don't work. Mankind has been eating tasty critters since time began.

If your God didn't intend for them to be eaten he wouldn't have made them taste so good.

 

[buttercup]

Libertarian=ashamed democrat

I was talking about the core principles of libertarianism.... not the political party.

Dems are for more government. Liberty-minded people are for less.

And btw, Reagan disagreed with you...

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I disagree.

Here's a video that goes into that topic, in depth. From doctors.



And from a biblical perspective, we absolutely were created as herbivores. Even most Christian flesh eaters don't deny that.

I cannot weigh in from a biblical perspective..but science will show you that our dentition is that of an omnivore.BTW..does not the Bible give Man dominion over all things?

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 9:2

The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.

Source: 5 Bible verses about Man's Dominion

 

[westwall]

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I eat my steak medium rare, with no added flavorings.

 

[buttercup]

I cannot weigh in from a biblical perspective..but science will show you that our dentition is that of an omnivore.BTW..does not the Bible give Man dominion over all things?

Genesis 1:26
Verse Concepts

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 9:2
Verse Concepts

The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.

Source: 5 Bible verses about Man's Dominion

Behaviorally we are, yes.

But if you look at how we're made, we're really not. That's what the video goes into.... I don't know if you watched it. That video is not from a Christian perspective.

As for the scriptures you brought up, we already went over that earlier on the thread.

Dominion does NOT mean cruel exploitative brutal self-serving tyranny. That is not Dominion in the image of God.... who made animals to live alongside us in peace and harmony, not as soulless objects to be exploited for our selfish reasons.

I did a blog post on this topic, which I linked to earlier, you can read it here:

A Closer Look At Dominion - Live Mercifully

As a Christian vegan, one of the most common objections to veganism that I encounter when talking to other Christians is, “But man was given dominion over the animals.” So I want to talk about this very important concept that I believe has been deeply misunderstood. This misunderstanding is at...

www.livemercifully.com

 

[Concerned American]

I was talking about the core principles of libertarianism.... not the political party.

Dems are far more government. Liberty-minded people are for less.

And btw, Reagan disagreed with you...

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Unlike you folks who are so insecure in your beliefs that you MUST have agreement of everyone else, I do not worship any man. Reagan was a man with some good ideas. He wasn't the messiah and he definitely made his share of mistakes. Now run along. I hope that some day you become secure enough in your beliefs that you don't project your neuroticism on everyone who has different beliefs.

 

[buttercup]

I cannot weigh in from a biblical perspective..but science will show you that our dentition is that of an omnivore.BTW..does not the Bible give Man dominion over all things?

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 9:2

The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.

Source: 5 Bible verses about Man's Dominion

As for the second verse you posted.... that was merely an accurate description of the reality of the post-fall, FALLEN world, that's not what God wants!

He was basically saying, since man is selfish and "every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood" the animals will NOW fear you. Why? Because humans want to kill them!

God didn't create animals to constantly be in fear of us! In the Garden of Eden, we were all herbivores. (Genesis 1:29-30.)

 

[buttercup]

Unlike you folks who are so insecure in your beliefs that you MUST have agreement of everyone else, I do not worship any man. Reagan was a man with some good ideas. He wasn't the messiah and he definitely made his share of mistakes. Now run along. I hope that some day you become secure enough in your beliefs that you don't project your neuroticism on everyone who has different beliefs.

I don't care if you agree with me or not. I really don't. Yet another silly statement from you, but thanks for the laugh.

The only reason I'm talking to you is because you keep posting to me and trying to argue with me. So I feel like I have to reply. Besides, it's not just for you, but for anyone reading who is far more reasonable than you, and less closed-minded.

 

[westwall]

As for the second verse you posted.... that was merely an accurate description of the reality of the post-fall, FALLEN world, that's not what God wants!

He was basically saying, since man is selfish and "every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood" the animals will NOW fear you. Why? Because humans want to kill them!

God didn't create animals to constantly be in fear of us! In the Garden of Eden, we were all herbivores. (Genesis 1:29-30.)

Well, my teeth aren't that of an herbivore, nor do I have two stomachs. So, I will eat the foods that my body is DESIGNED for.

 

[buttercup]

Well, my teeth aren't that of an herbivore, nor do I have two stomachs. So, I will eat the foods that my body is DESIGNED for.

Well, you must get a lot of freakish stares, if you look more like a carnivore than an herbivore.

Meanwhile, most of humanity has teeth that are more like an herbivore: