America Founded as a Christian Nation

[Correll]

#1074 ...

It must be that America was not founded as a Christian Nation if “Christian” is nothing but a general term ....

I stopped reading at this lie.

 

[Correll]

#1066 reply to #1040

The idea of equality of man, comes from the idea that God, the CHRISTIAN God, created all of us, equally.

They state that clearly in the Declaration.

Where in the Declaration of Independence is the CHRISTIAN God referenced?

The Declaration of Independence is a rebellion document to secure God Given rights.

• “the Declaration explained and justified a rebellion to secure God-given rights, the Constitution is a blueprint for stable and effective republican government in a free country.
  
• ReligionFebruary 22, 2016 WHY GOD IS IN THE DECLARATION BUT NOT THE CONSTITUTION by Anthony J. Minna Why God is in the Declaration but not the Constitution - Journal of the American Revolution Unlike the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution contains no reference to God. At first, this may seem odd.

After those GOD GIVEN RIGHTS were secure a Constitution was written specifically neutral on the Type of God from whence those rights came.

You are quite bold, to put in writing at this point, “the CHRISTIAN God, created all of us, equally” and that the founders “..., state that clearly in the Declaration.”

CLEARLY? you say. CHRISTIAN God.

Dude. You make me feel pity.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

#1083 reply to #1081

#1074 ... It must be that America was not founded as a Christian Nation if “Christian” is nothing but a general term ....

I stopped reading at this lie.

.
I see scant evidence that you actually read anything I write in order to engage in meaningful discussion or review of facts.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

#1074 When will Correll answer some questions?

In his post #1065 reply to #1037 the questions are dodged

"Christian" is a general term. That you have found two Christian Founders, with individual distinctions between them, does not mean they do not both fall under the general term Christian.

#1074 Of course it means Jefferson and Sherman both fall under the general term Christian. Of course they do and that is really the point that you continue to avoid, You have not responded to my #1040 reply to #1038

You are Unable to define what Christians contributed specifically and directly to the founding.

#1074 So you chose the “toddler” insult instead of providing a substantive reply to your statement also in Post #1019

Christian is a general term.

#1074. I have repeatedly shown that I understand what ‘general term’ means and agreed that it applies to Jefferson and Sherman equally. It’s clear that I understand the phrase in post #1040.

. I agree. My point was that being so, makes the case that America was not founded as a Christian Nation.

#1074 So I’ll repeat the questions’ from Post
#1037 reply to #1019;

It must be that America was not founded as a Christian Nation if “Christian” is nothing but a general term that does not identify who the Christians were and what their religious belief had to do with the founding of the United States of America and writing of the Constitution.

I have been asking for the Christian distinction about two of the most prominent founders. Thomas Jefferson and Roger Sherman. One was a devout Protestant Christian in the tradition of French theologian John Calvin. The other personally respected Jesus of Nazareth as a great moral teacher but with none of the hocus pocus of the Bible. Jefferson considered Calvinism to be “daemonism” ...writing..... If ever a man worshipped a false God ... John Calvin did.

Since both men in Porter Rockwell’s Christian Nationalism slogan are Christians in Porter Rockwell’s view, and hold equal status in their beliefs as Christians, we need clarification from Porter Rockwell whether he means the ‘“daemonism” In the Calvinist Pro-Church Camp or the humanist Christian moral philosophy in the anti-church, anti-Theologian Jefferson Camp.

This was my question posed in Post #1018

Is it Jefferson’s anti-Church, anti-Calvinism Christian-ness, or the Calvinism it Roger Sherman the Constitutional Calvinist.

#1074 Maybe you don’t understand the question. If so, you can always ask for clarification.

So if we are to accept Porter Rockwell’s request to define America as a Christian Nation, is It based upon two very much involved founders; was it a John Calvin reform Christian or was it a Jesus the human moral teacher Christian.

1. ACKNOWLEDGING THE TROLL
   
   I made no such claims. NONE OF NOTFOOLEDBYW'S CRITICISMS REFLECT MY VIEWS; NOTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE This list of NOTFOOLEDBYW updated today and an addendum follows in the next post...
   
   NOTFOOLEDBYW - YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR. SEE THE UPDATES THAT PROVE SAME. Bolded for everyone's convenience
   
   NOTFOOLEDBYW'S FINAL RESPONSE
   
   This thread is now 1025 posts long as I begin this response. Of those, NOTFOOLEDBYW has made a total of 187 posts. They are posts # 78, 80, 111, 113, 118, 126, 140, 154, 157, 158, 159, 162, 172, 174, 179, 189, 192, 195, 196, 197, 203, 204, 205, 212, 220, 224, 225, 232, 233, 234, 235, 240, 240, 241, 242, 243, 246, 247, 254, 255, 256, 267, 279, 280, 285, 290, 296, 297, 302, 307, 309, 318, 321, 328, 330, 335, 339, 340, 341, 345, 347, 350, 350, 351, 352, 367, 370, 373, 381, 393, 394, 399, 401, 404, 411, 412, 413, 420, 421, 425, 426, 429, 430, 431, 432, 468, 485, 500, 504, 508, 512, 516, 519, 525, 527, 537, 539, 541, 546, 549, 551, 554, 557, 559, 561, 563, 565, 566, 569, 570, 574, 577, 581, 582, 587, 589, 606, 607, 610, 626, 630, 636, 642, 644, 646, 684, 688, 699, 700, 703, 704, 707, 708, 709, 715, 716, 718, 724, 725, 730, 740, 744, 746, 747, 750, 753, 754, 755, 761, 762, 769, 774, 782, 7998, 800, ... that is 155 posts out of 805, 807, 812, 824, 827, 830, 831, 832, 844, 847, 860, 872, 899, 904,913, 929, 936, 943, 946, 951, 965, 973, 986, 999, 1011, 1018
   
   In virtually every post NOTFOOLEDBYW has insulted posters, called them liars, misrepresented people, and NOBODY has defended his positions.
   
   
   By contrast, NOTFOOLEDBYW has been challenged by numerous posters to whom NOTFOOLEDBYW has called liars, fools, morons, and accused them of all manner of wrongdoing. Those posters responded a total of 137 times in posts: #120, 130, 134, 167, 169,174, 176, 175, 176, 180, 185, 206, 207, 250, 282, 299, 346, 346, 354, 396, 397, 403, 405, 406, 407, 414, 415, 416, 424, 427, 428, 433, 434, 438, 439, 440, 445, 446, 447, 448, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 460, 461, 464, 465, 466, 467, 469, 470, 472, 474, 476, 483, 484, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 496, 497, 498, 499, 501, 502, 517, 518, 521, 526, 528, 531, 558, 562, 564, 567, 568, 571, 573, 576, 578, 579, 588, 591, 593, 594, 595, 596, 598, 599, 600, 603, 608, 612, 613, 615, 618, 627, 628, 629, 633, 645, 648, 653, 658, 665, 668, 698, 701, 705, 706, 711, 722, 723, 726, 751, 764, 765, 779, 834, 837, 839, 954, 971, 974, 976, 1002, 1016, 1019
   
   I have been obliged to respond to NOTFOOLEDBYW a total of 90 times personally. That is a total of 414 posts that have revolved around this one poster.
   
   One poster or another has successfully defeated each and every argument he brings to the table. He is now remaining, claiming I lied about Thomas Jefferson - as if that would change the balance of this discussion. Here is my position:
   
   1) When other posters began discussing this as a conversation rather than a point by point, let's prove everything, I got conversational. I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.
   
   I really do not want to restart any conversations with THIS idiot about Thomas Jefferson and my quote. But, I cut and pasted the quote as I found it on the Internet:
   
   http://peace2you.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Faith-of-Founding-Fathers1.pdf
   
   If you look a few quotes down, you can see where I got it from. When that troll made a big deal out of my inadvertent faux pas of leaving out the link, I looked up the book from where the quote was obtained and put it in post #552. I DIDN'T LIE AND NOTFOOLEDBYW IS A ROTTEN, FILTHY, STINKING, LIAR. ALL of his posts were responded to honestly and openly. Check his posts... he's quoting me and it's there.
   
   
   2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not. I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie
   
   3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such. Jefferson states, and it was quoted on this thread, that his life experiences changed his outlook. Nothing has changed what Jefferson said at that point in his life
   
   4) Regardless of how many times founders did or said one thing or another, I look at the bottom line and if over half the posts here are either one man arguing against those points compared to the scores of posts disagreeing with him, there is no point to prove. If this matters to you and you want to wade through who said what, you have each post - minus my own (which is unnecessary since all those people who agreed with me either quoted the relevant parts and / or the post itself. My point here is I did not lie and every time that troll posts, I will simply cut and paste this response (that took some hours to research just for him.)
   
   If he still wants to call me a liar, he can do it to my face. Otherwise, he has been successfully defeated by other posters to the point that nothing I have to say would be relevant anyway. IF there are any other points to be addressed, I will be happy to entertain them, just not by the resident troll. The dumb ass needs to read. This post refutes his account of what happened.. I know because I'm the one who did it. I copied and pasted the fucking quote as it appeared and no amount of political jockeying will change that. It's over dumbass

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AN ADDENDUM TO NOTFOOLEDBYW AKA "BREEZEWOOD" if you are following that whizzing contest

Just in case anyone has followed the saga of the poster known as NOTFOOLEDBYW, I want to take a moment to acknowledge his vicious attacks on me that, as I type those were 187 out of the 1025 posts. He received 137 negative responses for his attacks and a single hit and run poster (which is against the rules) took a swipe at me (and that violated the rules in this zone.)

NOTFOOLEDBYW's very first post (#78) was to take a swipe at Christianity with a claim that it was bullshit (sic.) The post did not address the OP; it was just an off topic insult. If his post was not relative to the OP (it was not) then he deliberately, knowingly and purposely insulted me.

NOTFOOLEDBYW has made it his mission to claim I insulted him first. My position is that his post did not address the OP, it started the thread on a downward spiral. So, when I said "ignorance is bliss," he comes unglued for 187 posts so far. His entire argument rests on an accusation regarding what "I" said. I left a quote from a source. The quote is italicized and in quotation marks AND the title and page of a book, but no link. It should be apparent to any idiot that those were not my words.

NOTFOOLEDBYW made a big deal about it, so I researched the book and posted the title and everything needed to locate it on the page my link said it was on. Then NOTFOOLEDBYW issued a challenge in post # 831. He says:

"Can anyone find a direct quote by Thomas Jefferson that reads this way in these exact words. If you do I will no longer post to this thread.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

In post # 838 I accepted his challenge and repeated the quote I had from the Internet:

http://peace2you.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Faith-of-Founding-Fathers1.pdf

NOTFOOLEDBYW's argument is that I lied. Pardon my language, but you have to be one dumb fuck not to understand that a quote in quotation marks AND in italics are not my words, but a quote. Consequently, it is dishonest to say I lied. I provided the source and there is no requirement in NOTFOOLEDBYW'S challenge that says the quote must be accurate or fit some standard. NOTFOOLEDBYW is a dishonorable liar that did not keep his word.

And so this saga has caused NOTFOOLEDBYW to misrepresent my positions, lie, complain, and attempt to derail this thread to the point that correll wants to lock the thread. I simply don't want to give one troll that kind of power over me. NOTFOOLEDBYW has gotten 137 negative responses and he has called posters here morons, liars, fools, LUNATICS, etc. He wanted to be the poster boy for the secularists or maybe humanists. The best he could do is waste a tremendous amount of bandwidth over one word. Ironically, with or without that word, it does not change the facts that were brought to the table AND WHOLLY IRRELEVANT TO THE OP.

SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNTS, DAILY HARASSMENT, THE GUY IS A COWARD

 

[Porter Rockwell]

#1080 reply to #229

When this country made it a requirement to be a Christian in order to hold elective office;

Except if you mean the United States of America it never made it a requirement because "Constitution regards the conscience of the Jew as sacred as that of the Christian." And “all legislative interference in matters of religion is contrary to the genius of Christianity; and that there are no doctrines or observances inculcated by the Christian religion which require the arm of civil power either to enforce or sustain them; that we consider every connection between church and state at all times dangerous to civil and religious liberty."

• Faith of Our Founders

• Senator Richard M. Johnson of Kentucky reminded Congress that the "Constitution regards the conscience of the Jew as sacred as that of the Christian." A resolution by the legislature of Indiana stated "in that all legislative interference in matters of religion is contrary to the genius of Christianity; and that there are no doctrines or observances inculcated by the Christian religion which require the arm of civil power either to enforce or sustain them; that we consider every connection between church and state at all times dangerous to civil and religious liberty."

I'm not reading your B.S. Whatever lies and manure you're selling, nobody is buying it and your sockpuppet attempt was funny.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AMERICA WAS FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION

Did you ever really consider:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" (First Amendment)

There was no need to establish a religion by law since the parties to the Social Contract were already Christian (having acknowledged same by their signatures to the Constitution of the United States.) Furthermore, Christianity, as part of our culture was already accepted. AND, the Constitution was written to preserve the "Blessings of Liberty to "ourselves and our Posterity."

In signing the Constitution, the parties to the Social Contract acknowledge the "Year of our Lord." What "Lord?" That's obvious. The Constitution was not a multicultural document either. An atheist, secularist, or anti-Christ would not acknowledge "Our Lord." "Ourselves and our Posterity" had a very definite meaning as evidenced by the first Naturalization Law passed in this country. Our culture and nationality were Christian in nature, so we did not need a theocracy to dictate to us and we could guarantee the Right to believe or disbelieve, as individuals, the precepts of who we are culturally and ethnically.

 

[Correll]

#1083 reply to #1081

#1074 ... It must be that America was not founded as a Christian Nation if “Christian” is nothing but a general term ....

I stopped reading at this lie.

.
I see scant evidence that you actually read anything I write in order to engage in meaningful discussion or review of facts.

Stop lying. I've been clear that you've made your case as well as you could, and you lost.


Listen. If you were honest, what you would admit is something like this.


"I Wally, have to admit that this nation was founded as a Christian Nation. BUT, as I consider Christians to be ignorant and superstitious fools, I hate admitting that, because I fear that it might be empowering for a group that I hate and oppose on nearly everything

AND, even if the nation was founded that way, there is no reason that we, modern Americans, have to abide by that, and we can and imo, should shit can all of that and make American into a wonderful Godless Utopia."

 

[karpenter]

https://ia802604.us.archive.org/24/.../Christian_Life_and_Character_of_the_Civi.pdf

 

[NotfooledbyW]

#1077.

RECTOR, ETC., OF HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. UNITED STATES. | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S.457 (1892)

I'll take the ruling by the United States Supreme Court over your trolling any day.

FOR THE RECORD: Porter Rockwell is so desperate for factual evidence that America was founded as a Christian Nation he is citing a Court Case made about 100 years after the founding

it is quite odd that the founders know less about what they did keeping Christianity out of the Constitution in 1790 than a judge did making a decision in 1890.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

#1077.

RECTOR, ETC., OF HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. UNITED STATES. | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S.457 (1892)

I'll take the ruling by the United States Supreme Court over your trolling any day.

FOR THE RECORD: Porter Rockwell is so desperate for factual evidence that America was founded as a Christian Nation he is citing a Court Case made about 100 years after the founding.

Irrelevant, dumb ass. You cite a sentence from a private letter that means 180 degrees opposite of what you claim.

Holy Trinity is a court ruling that is just as much law today as it was in the 1890s. I'm not desperate; I';m just finishing you off. You're the one treading water, hoping for some validation; calling in a hit and run post and using sockpuppets.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

ACKNOWLEDGING THE TROLL

I made no such claims. NONE OF NOTFOOLEDBYW'S CRITICISMS REFLECT MY VIEWS; NOTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE This list of NOTFOOLEDBYW updated today and an addendum follows in the next post...

NOTFOOLEDBYW - YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR. SEE THE UPDATES THAT PROVE SAME. Bolded for everyone's convenience

NOTFOOLEDBYW'S FINAL RESPONSE

This thread is now 1025 posts long as I begin this response. Of those, NOTFOOLEDBYW has made a total of 187 posts. They are posts # 78, 80, 111, 113, 118, 126, 140, 154, 157, 158, 159, 162, 172, 174, 179, 189, 192, 195, 196, 197, 203, 204, 205, 212, 220, 224, 225, 232, 233, 234, 235, 240, 240, 241, 242, 243, 246, 247, 254, 255, 256, 267, 279, 280, 285, 290, 296, 297, 302, 307, 309, 318, 321, 328, 330, 335, 339, 340, 341, 345, 347, 350, 350, 351, 352, 367, 370, 373, 381, 393, 394, 399, 401, 404, 411, 412, 413, 420, 421, 425, 426, 429, 430, 431, 432, 468, 485, 500, 504, 508, 512, 516, 519, 525, 527, 537, 539, 541, 546, 549, 551, 554, 557, 559, 561, 563, 565, 566, 569, 570, 574, 577, 581, 582, 587, 589, 606, 607, 610, 626, 630, 636, 642, 644, 646, 684, 688, 699, 700, 703, 704, 707, 708, 709, 715, 716, 718, 724, 725, 730, 740, 744, 746, 747, 750, 753, 754, 755, 761, 762, 769, 774, 782, 7998, 800, ... that is 155 posts out of 805, 807, 812, 824, 827, 830, 831, 832, 844, 847, 860, 872, 899, 904,913, 929, 936, 943, 946, 951, 965, 973, 986, 999, 1011, 1018

In virtually every post NOTFOOLEDBYW has insulted posters, called them liars, misrepresented people, and NOBODY has defended his positions.


By contrast, NOTFOOLEDBYW has been challenged by numerous posters to whom NOTFOOLEDBYW has called liars, fools, morons, and accused them of all manner of wrongdoing. Those posters responded a total of 137 times in posts: #120, 130, 134, 167, 169,174, 176, 175, 176, 180, 185, 206, 207, 250, 282, 299, 346, 346, 354, 396, 397, 403, 405, 406, 407, 414, 415, 416, 424, 427, 428, 433, 434, 438, 439, 440, 445, 446, 447, 448, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 460, 461, 464, 465, 466, 467, 469, 470, 472, 474, 476, 483, 484, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 496, 497, 498, 499, 501, 502, 517, 518, 521, 526, 528, 531, 558, 562, 564, 567, 568, 571, 573, 576, 578, 579, 588, 591, 593, 594, 595, 596, 598, 599, 600, 603, 608, 612, 613, 615, 618, 627, 628, 629, 633, 645, 648, 653, 658, 665, 668, 698, 701, 705, 706, 711, 722, 723, 726, 751, 764, 765, 779, 834, 837, 839, 954, 971, 974, 976, 1002, 1016, 1019

I have been obliged to respond to NOTFOOLEDBYW a total of 90 times personally. That is a total of 414 posts that have revolved around this one poster.

One poster or another has successfully defeated each and every argument he brings to the table. He is now remaining, claiming I lied about Thomas Jefferson - as if that would change the balance of this discussion. Here is my position:

1) When other posters began discussing this as a conversation rather than a point by point, let's prove everything, I got conversational. I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.

I really do not want to restart any conversations with THIS idiot about Thomas Jefferson and my quote. But, I cut and pasted the quote as I found it on the Internet:

http://peace2you.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Faith-of-Founding-Fathers1.pdf

If you look a few quotes down, you can see where I got it from. When that troll made a big deal out of my inadvertent faux pas of leaving out the link, I looked up the book from where the quote was obtained and put it in post #552. I DIDN'T LIE AND NOTFOOLEDBYW IS A ROTTEN, FILTHY, STINKING, LIAR. ALL of his posts were responded to honestly and openly. Check his posts... he's quoting me and it's there.


2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not. I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie

3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such. Jefferson states, and it was quoted on this thread, that his life experiences changed his outlook. Nothing has changed what Jefferson said at that point in his life

4) Regardless of how many times founders did or said one thing or another, I look at the bottom line and if over half the posts here are either one man arguing against those points compared to the scores of posts disagreeing with him, there is no point to prove. If this matters to you and you want to wade through who said what, you have each post - minus my own (which is unnecessary since all those people who agreed with me either quoted the relevant parts and / or the post itself. My point here is I did not lie and every time that troll posts, I will simply cut and paste this response (that took some hours to research just for him.)

If he still wants to call me a liar, he can do it to my face. Otherwise, he has been successfully defeated by other posters to the point that nothing I have to say would be relevant anyway. IF there are any other points to be addressed, I will be happy to entertain them, just not by the resident troll. The dumb ass needs to read. This post refutes his account of what happened.. I know because I'm the one who did it. I copied and pasted the fucking quote as it appeared and no amount of political jockeying will change that. It's over dumbass

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AN ADDENDUM TO NOTFOOLEDBYW AKA "BREEZEWOOD" if you are following that whizzing contest

Just in case anyone has followed the saga of the poster known as NOTFOOLEDBYW, I want to take a moment to acknowledge his vicious attacks on me that, as I type those were 187 out of the 1025 posts. He received 137 negative responses for his attacks and a single hit and run poster (which is against the rules) took a swipe at me (and that violated the rules in this zone.)

NOTFOOLEDBYW's very first post (#78) was to take a swipe at Christianity with a claim that it was bullshit (sic.) The post did not address the OP; it was just an off topic insult. If his post was not relative to the OP (it was not) then he deliberately, knowingly and purposely insulted me.

NOTFOOLEDBYW has made it his mission to claim I insulted him first. My position is that his post did not address the OP, it started the thread on a downward spiral. So, when I said "ignorance is bliss," he comes unglued for 187 posts so far. His entire argument rests on an accusation regarding what "I" said. I left a quote from a source. The quote is italicized and in quotation marks AND the title and page of a book, but no link. It should be apparent to any idiot that those were not my words.

NOTFOOLEDBYW made a big deal about it, so I researched the book and posted the title and everything needed to locate it on the page my link said it was on. Then NOTFOOLEDBYW issued a challenge in post # 831. He says:

"Can anyone find a direct quote by Thomas Jefferson that reads this way in these exact words. If you do I will no longer post to this thread.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

In post # 838 I accepted his challenge and repeated the quote I had from the Internet:

http://peace2you.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Faith-of-Founding-Fathers1.pdf

NOTFOOLEDBYW's argument is that I lied. Pardon my language, but you have to be one dumb fuck not to understand that a quote in quotation marks AND in italics are not my words, but a quote. Consequently, it is dishonest to say I lied. I provided the source and there is no requirement in NOTFOOLEDBYW'S challenge that says the quote must be accurate or fit some standard. NOTFOOLEDBYW is a dishonorable liar that did not keep his word.

And so this saga has caused NOTFOOLEDBYW to misrepresent my positions, lie, complain, and attempt to derail this thread to the point that correll wants to lock the thread. I simply don't want to give one troll that kind of power over me. NOTFOOLEDBYW has gotten 137 negative responses and he has called posters here morons, liars, fools, LUNATICS, etc. He wanted to be the poster boy for the secularists or maybe humanists. The best he could do is waste a tremendous amount of bandwidth over one word. Ironically, with or without that word, it does not change the facts that were brought to the table AND WHOLLY IRRELEVANT TO THE OP.

SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNTS, DAILY HARASSMENT, THE GUY IS A COWARD

 

[Porter Rockwell]

https://ia802604.us.archive.org/24/.../Christian_Life_and_Character_of_the_Civi.pdf

Sorry your post had so much posted in front of it. The link was worth repeating:

https://ia802604.us.archive.org/24/.../Christian_Life_and_Character_of_the_Civi.pdf

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The secularists, deists, theists, atheists, and other believers try to prove that a founder was this or that, but sometimes what legal documents they sign their names to is REALLY TELLING. Take this one. It begins like this:

"In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.
It having pleased the Divine Providence"

And that legal document ends with these words:

"Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three."

That was the Treaty of Paris of 1783 that ended the American Revolutionary War

Treaty of Paris (1783) - Wikisource, the free online library

John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and John Jay signed that treaty. Why would secularists, atheists, humanists, deists, or theists be signing their names to legal documents acknowledging a Christian God they supposedly loathe and despise? Could it be that just because they were critical of mainstream churchianity, they still supported the existence of a Christian God?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

#1096 reply to #1088.

Stop lying. I've been clear that you've made your case as well as you could, and you lost.

#1096 The case I defend was made by the founding fathers. Shoutout!!!! to Madison and Jefferson.

Not one Christian nationalist can explain how it is possible to have a Christian Nation when at least one of the states and the national Constitution expressly forbids it.

• On January 16, 1786, the Assembly enacted the statute into the state's law. The statute disestablished the Church of England in Virginia and guaranteed freedom of religion to people of all religious faiths, including Christians of all denominations, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. Wikipedia › wiki › Virginia_Statute...Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom - Wikipedia

• March 4, 1789 On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify the document, and it was subsequently agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution would begin on March 4, 1789. In June, Virginia ratified the Constitution, followed by New York in July. History Channel › u-s-constituti...U.S. Constitution ratified - HISTORY

In case Christian Nationalists don’t know, (A) 1786 came before 1789. (B). Jews, Muslims and Hindus are not Christians.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

#1097 reply to #1091.

Irrelevant, dumb ass

For the record I, as a Christian have not ever refuted the notion that America was ever a Christian nation.¥

#628 23948002

I think you are ignoring the influence that Christianity played. From education to law to values and principles Christianity touched every aspect of colonial life.

My immediate response to Ding, was that, “ I am not ignoring the influence that Christianity contributed to the founding of America. You are seriously wrong if you think that.”

Knowing that this FACT has been posted on this thread clearly and often, Porter Rockwell insults me as an Irrelevant, dumb ass and worse.

I will continue to explain why I think he does that as I continue to explain and take apart, brick by brick, why America was not “FOUNDED” as a Christian Nation.

 

[Correll]

#1096 reply to #1088.

Stop lying. I've been clear that you've made your case as well as you could, and you lost.

#1096 The case I defend was made by the founding fathers. Shoutout!!!! to Madison and Jefferson.

Not one Christian nationalist can explain how it is possible to have a Christian Nation when at least one of the states and the national Constitution expressly forbids it.

• On January 16, 1786, the Assembly enacted the statute into the state's law. The statute disestablished the Church of England in Virginia and guaranteed freedom of religion to people of all religious faiths, including Christians of all denominations, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. Wikipedia › wiki › Virginia_Statute...Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom - Wikipedia

• March 4, 1789 On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify the document, and it was subsequently agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution would begin on March 4, 1789. In June, Virginia ratified the Constitution, followed by New York in July. History Channel › u-s-constituti...U.S. Constitution ratified - HISTORY

In case Christian Nationalists don’t know, (A) 1786 came before 1789. (B). Jews, Muslims and Hindus are not Christians.

Wally, we already went over that. You are talking about the Government and Established Churches, when the topic is how American THE NATION, was founded as a Christian Nation.


That you came back to a point that was already refuted, is you being dishonest.


You have lost this debate.


Admit it, and save some of your self respect.

 

[BreezeWood]

https://ia802604.us.archive.org/24/.../Christian_Life_and_Character_of_the_Civi.pdf

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such that it may be but to not quote by past to refute it's content - the exercise of christian zealotry ...

 

[Correll]

https://ia802604.us.archive.org/24/.../Christian_Life_and_Character_of_the_Civi.pdf

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such that it may be but to not quote by past to refute it's content - the exercise of christian zealotry ...

What "Christian Zealotry"?