Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.

[Leo123]

But you say an atheist has Judeo-Christian moral values if an atheist adheres to what you call Judeo/Christian law ethics.



What you are saying Saint Leo123 is that an atheist has to give up being rational when giving his or her consent to be governed in the US system of law. You are forcing an atheist to believe that your peculiar irrational concept of the Judeo-Christian Creator of a Biblical Worldview is the only way the actual government under the US Constitution can exist for Muslims, Hindus. Atheists agnostics and Jews and every other religion and act of conscience out there.

I say you are fabricating and perpetuating a lie or myth when you spread white Christian nationalists propaganda as you do.

Thou Shalt not kill or steal is a natural law. Thomas Aquinas’ Catholicism has no copywrite on universal truth based on human reason.

Another strawman. The original commandment is not to murder. Natural law? Survival of the fittest is the natural law. You want to kill the unfit?

 

[Leo123]

Slavery is sacred.


Fair enough.

Flummery ^^

 

[Leo123]

That’s what happened in Germany, China and Russia. We have to protect ourselves from the extremists in our midst, that would rather sow destruction than talk things out. MAGA is an existential threat to the republic.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240529. {post•100}

ThisIsMe May’24 Spiwtt inserted link to an explanation of Deism in the 18th Century: Ok, how bout this: Religion in Eighteenth-Century America - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

"Deism" is a loosely used term that describes the views of certain English and continental thinkers. These views attracted a following in Europe toward the latter part of the seventeenth century and gained a small but influential number of adherents in America in the late eighteenth century. Deism stressed morality and rejected the orthodox Christian view of the divinity of Christ, often viewing him as nothing more than a "sublime" teacher of morality. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are usually considered the leading American deists. There is no doubt that they subscribed to the deist credo that all religious claims were to be subjected to the scrutiny of reason. "Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion," Jefferson advised.


Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240605 {post•

NotfooledbyW Jun’24 Vpiwtt: Deists were the first rational thinkers to oppose and openly rise against the Christian European hereditary system of government that was entirely based upon the Biblical notion that royalty is given sanction to rule over men by Divine right,

Christian believers, thinkers snd theologians supported the Divine Right for royal families through operatives in the Christian Catholic and Protestant Churches to oppress humankind for the preservation of so called moral order right up to the start of the American Revolution against that Christ-centric.system of keeping order.

It is incorrect to spread the belief that Christianity has anything to do with the founding of king-less America - other than pushing aside the Deists and rational thinkers who established a new world order with the Declaration of Independence in the name of Nature’s God. nfbw 240605 Vpiwtt00244

 

[PeterPilot]

There is no unitary "the Christian religion".

You think that gaslighting was invented by you shitlibs?

You're first sentence is true and accurate, but I'm not sure of the point you're making.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Largest Hindu temple outside Asia opens in New Jersey, built by 12,500 volunteers

The impressive construction prompted a labor lawsuit that’s now on hold, with some saying it raises questions about the line between religious service and labor exploitation.

www.nbcnews.com

Looks like the US is Hindu.

 

[konradv]

You're first sentence is true and accurate, but I'm not sure of the point you're making.

He isn’t making any point beyond being a shitposter and memer.

#SAD

 

[bigrebnc1775]

All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty.

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

You would think that this would remove all doubt, but as the short thread on the same subject that was so helpfully closed showed us, there are still plenty of folks who will argue the point.

Tell us, why do you think they would write this if it's not true?


View attachment 946109

History of Prayer in America

Days of Prayer have a long history in America. Colonists declared Days of Prayer during droughts, Indian attacks and threats from other nations.

www.nationaldayofprayer.org

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He isn’t making any point beyond being a shitposter and memer.

#SAD

Projection

 

[NotfooledbyW]

History of Prayer in America

Days of Prayer have a long history in America. Colonists declared Days of Prayer during droughts, Indian attacks and threats from other nations.

www.nationaldayofprayer.org

If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation.

What religion was shown in the link I used?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

i. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240512. {post•1}. Crepitus May’24 piwtt: All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty. •¥•. It states very clearly that the nation is not in any way was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself. crpts 240512 Vpiwtt00001

ii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•248}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’03 Spiwtt:

History of Prayer in America

Days of Prayer have a long history in America. Colonists declared Days of Prayer during droughts, Indian attacks and threats from othernations. www.nationaldayofprayer.org
bgrbncn 240883 Spiwtt00248

iii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•250}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation. nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00250

iv. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•251}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: What religion was shown in the link I used? bgrbncn 240803 Spiwtt00251

v. America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable” dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

vi. Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

Saint_Ding’s white Christian nationalism is refuted by the above data.

Our first president, Washington, was a Freemason. Jesus Christ was not the only path to knowing God.

Our second president was a Unitarian. Adams did not believe in original sin. Adams did not believe that Jesus Christ was ‘the Savior”

Our third president, Jefferson, when running for his second term, was accused by his opponents of being an atheist; an infidel who is going to confiscate their Bibles.

That is why I have confidence that data indicating about 20% of the rebellious population were not religious other than lip service to state religions. nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

vii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•252}

NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In response to paragraph iv. I have a couple questions for bigrebnc1775 or any white Christian nationalist who sees this post.

When Christian religious leaders, pastors, ministers, politicians etc were calling for national prayers, what percentages of the population in the 1790s do you have firm data that it would’ve been more than 20% of the population that made up the total population of the original 13 colonies?

Per the study “the Churching of America” as shown in paragraph vi. above. 80% roughly of our founding generation did not bother belonging to a church to demonstrate their commitment to a personal belief that Jesus Christ was their Lord and Savior.

So how do you know Saint_Bigrebnc1775 that the unchurched 80% were indeed true Christian believers who worshipped the God of Abraham and prayed like Dr James Dobson does?

nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00252

 

[bigrebnc1775]

i. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240512. {post•1}. Crepitus May’24 piwtt: All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty. •¥•. It states very clearly that the nation is not in any way was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself. crpts 240512 Vpiwtt00001

ii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•248}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’03 Spiwtt:

History of Prayer in America

Days of Prayer have a long history in America. Colonists declared Days of Prayer during droughts, Indian attacks and threats from othernations. www.nationaldayofprayer.org
bgrbncn 240883 Spiwtt00248

iii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•250}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation. nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00250

iv. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•251}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: What religion was shown in the link I used? bgrbncn 240803 Spiwtt00251

v. America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable” dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

vi. Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

Saint_Ding’s white Christian nationalism is refuted by the above data.

Our first president, Washington, was a Freemason. Jesus Christ was not the only path to knowing God.

Our second president was a Unitarian. Adams did not believe in original sin. Adams did not believe that Jesus Christ was ‘the Savior”

Our third president, Jefferson, when running for his second term, was accused by his opponents of being an atheist; an infidel who is going to confiscate their Bibles.

That is why I have confidence that data indicating about 20% of the rebellious population were not religious other than lip service to state religions. nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

vii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•252}

NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In response to paragraph iv. I have a couple questions for bigrebnc1775 or any white Christian nationalist who sees this post.

When Christian religious leaders, pastors, ministers, politicians etc were calling for national prayers, what percentages of the population in the 1790s do you have firm data that it would’ve been more than 20% of the population that made up the total population of the original 13 colonies?

Per the study “the Churching of America” as shown in paragraph vi. above. 80% roughly of our founding generation did not bother belonging to a church to demonstrate their commitment to a personal belief that Jesus Christ was their Lord and Savior.

So how do you know Saint_Bigrebnc1775 that the unchurched 80% were indeed true Christian believers who worshipped the God of Abraham and prayed like Dr James Dobson does?

nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00252

Poor guy you're using flawed leftist opinion. I gave you historical proof

 

[NotfooledbyW]

i. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.240512. {post•1}. Crepitus May’24 piwtt: ……the nation is not in any way was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself. crpts 240512 Vpiwtt00001

ii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•248}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’03 Spiwtt: Days of Prayer have a long history in America. bgrbncn 240883 Spiwtt00248

iii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•250}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation. nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00250

iv. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•251}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: What religion was shown in the link I used? bgrbncn 240803 Spiwtt00251

v. America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable” dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

vi. Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

vii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•252}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In response to paragraph iv. I have a couple questions for bigrebnc1775 or any white Christian nationalist who sees this post.
nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00252

viii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•253}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: I gave you historical proof. bgrbnc 240803 Spiwtt00253

ix. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 230430 {post•8594}. beagle9 reminds that Tx is a white Christian nationalist state by majority rule at this place in history: Some state's are still highly religious in nature bvvglvn 230430 Srvwgo08594


Is x. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240804. {post•254}.

NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In reference to paragraph viii.above we see that Saint_Bigrebnc1775 says he provided historical proof that America was founded as a Christian nation.

What Saint_Bigrebnc1775 provided was that some Americans pray within a variety of religious beliefs.

However not many of the examples of actual prayers that Saint_Bigrebnc1775’s. History of Prayer in America present to the reader are Christian specific.

So there is that.

In reference to paragraph. vii. Saint_Bigrebnc1775 did not answer one single question.

What percentages of the population in the 1790s do you have firm data that it would’ve been more than 20% of the population who religiously were adherents and believers in the doctrines of Christianity?

nfbw 240894 Vpiwtt00254

 

[bigrebnc1775]

i. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.240512. {post•1}. Crepitus May’24 piwtt: ……the nation is not in any way was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself. crpts 240512 Vpiwtt00001

ii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•248}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’03 Spiwtt: Days of Prayer have a long history in America. bgrbncn 240883 Spiwtt00248

iii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•250}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: If you like that, be thankful that we are not a Christian nation. nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00250

iv. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•251}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: What religion was shown in the link I used? bgrbncn 240803 Spiwtt00251

v. America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable” dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

vi. Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

vii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•252}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In response to paragraph iv. I have a couple questions for bigrebnc1775 or any white Christian nationalist who sees this post.
nfbw 240803 Vpiwtt00252

viii. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240803. {post•253}. bigrebnc1775 Aug’24 Spiwtt: I gave you historical proof. bgrbnc 240803 Spiwtt00253

ix. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 230430 {post•8594}. beagle9 reminds that Tx is a white Christian nationalist state by majority rule at this place in history: Some state's are still highly religious in nature bvvglvn 230430 Srvwgo08594


Is x. Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240804. {post•254}.

NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vpiwtt: In reference to paragraph viii.above we see that Saint_Bigrebnc1775 says he provided historical proof that America was founded as a Christian nation.

What Saint_Bigrebnc1775 provided was that some Americans pray within a variety of religious beliefs.

However not many of the examples of actual prayers that Saint_Bigrebnc1775’s. History of Prayer in America present to the reader are Christian specific.

So there is that.

In reference to paragraph. vii. Saint_Bigrebnc1775 did not answer one single question.

What percentages of the population in the 1790s do you have firm data that it would’ve been more than 20% of the population who religiously were adherents and believers in the doctrines of Christianity?

nfbw 240894 Vpiwtt00254

False claims is not proof at all.
The first Congressional prayer, the history of the Congressional chaplain is historical proof though.

 

[konradv]

False claims is not proof at all.
The first Congressional prayer, the history of the Congressional chaplain is historical proof though.

Treaties aren’t proof?!?!

#HUH

 

[Bezukhov]

What does Jesus think about His Glorious Heavenly Kingdom being associated with any earthly government?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Treaties aren’t proof?!?!

#HUH

Congressionally appointed chaplain Trump's your treaty

 

[konradv]

Congressionally appointed chaplain Trump's your treaty

Trump is a loser!

#SEPARATION

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump is a loser!

#SEPARATION

And yet the two and a half century long Congressional appointment of the Congressional chaplain still Trump's anything you got.