Zone1 "And the Word was [a] god," a simple, unjustified translation error by JW

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Thought I'd give people a simple tool to address the JW who believe that the Bible says that the Word, that is, Jesus, was not God, but just a god. Their New World study bible says in John 1:1c "and the Word was a god." Why? Is there a possible justification for putting in the indefinite article "a" before "God" to remove Jesus from the Godhead? To the average American Christian, there could be, and the JWs like to prey on the general ignorance of the Bible. However, there is a very simple way to prove that the indefinite article does not belong there.

Before I do, the JWs like to say that the indefinite article does belong because the Koine Greek doesn't really use indefinite articles, instead allowing them to be implied. Fair enough. After all, John 1:6 has an implied indefinite article when referencing the introduction of John the Baptist. So why not in John 1:1c to fit the belief that Jesus is not the 2nd Person of God, but Michael?

First, let's look at the immediate context, with the section in question removed:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God...He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John sure is taking great pains to describe Him as existing alongside God before Creation and being responsible for all Creation. If the Word is not God, then it will require some great rhetorical flourishes and long essays to prove it in light of this short passage. What John is doing is equivocating the Word and God, assigning them status as prior to Creation and Time, so saying "and the Word was God" makes the most sense.

But as we know, the broader context is the whole Bible. So where else do we find a similar passage? Why, in the beginning, of course! Genesis 1:1, likewise, says "In the beginning..." In the beginning...what? "...GOD created..." Oh? But John said that all things were created through the Word! I'm sure that JWs would claim that since John doesn't expressly say that the Word created everything, that the Word therefore isn't necessarily God, but the vessel by which God created everything else. However, how can that be when John says that nothing was made without the Word being directly involved? If the Word is created, then without the Word something was made that was made. Thus, the Word MUST be an uncreated creator. Genesis 1:1 says that God is the uncreated creator, therefore, the Word, who is Jesus, is God.
 
mmm the Bible says that the Word, that is, Jesus, was not God, but just a god. ...

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
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Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In verse 26 we see God the Father and Jesus Christ plan to create man in their own image an likeness. then in verse 27 we see the WORD fulfill this plan because in John 1:3 we learn that all things were create by the word. Physical man was create by the WORD of God who also was God according to John 1:1 and also verse 27 refers to the creator as God.

More evidence that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament aka God Almighty, I AM, Jehovah, and our Savior can be found in post 230 of the "Is Jesus God?" thread by clicking the link.
 
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Thought I'd give people a simple tool to address the JW who believe that the Bible says that the Word, that is, Jesus, was not God, but just a god. Their New World study bible says in John 1:1c "and the Word was a god." Why? Is there a possible justification for putting in the indefinite article "a" before "God" to remove Jesus from the Godhead? To the average American Christian, there could be, and the JWs like to prey on the general ignorance of the Bible. However, there is a very simple way to prove that the indefinite article does not belong there.

Before I do, the JWs like to say that the indefinite article does belong because the Koine Greek doesn't really use indefinite articles, instead allowing them to be implied. Fair enough. After all, John 1:6 has an implied indefinite article when referencing the introduction of John the Baptist. So why not in John 1:1c to fit the belief that Jesus is not the 2nd Person of God, but Michael?

First, let's look at the immediate context, with the section in question removed:


John sure is taking great pains to describe Him as existing alongside God before Creation and being responsible for all Creation. If the Word is not God, then it will require some great rhetorical flourishes and long essays to prove it in light of this short passage. What John is doing is equivocating the Word and God, assigning them status as prior to Creation and Time, so saying "and the Word was God" makes the most sense.

But as we know, the broader context is the whole Bible. So where else do we find a similar passage? Why, in the beginning, of course! Genesis 1:1, likewise, says "In the beginning..." In the beginning...what? "...GOD created..." Oh? But John said that all things were created through the Word! I'm sure that JWs would claim that since John doesn't expressly say that the Word created everything, that the Word therefore isn't necessarily God, but the vessel by which God created everything else. However, how can that be when John says that nothing was made without the Word being directly involved? If the Word is created, then without the Word something was made that was made. Thus, the Word MUST be an uncreated creator. Genesis 1:1 says that God is the uncreated creator, therefore, the Word, who is Jesus, is God.
The JW's are the only people upon planet earth that can truly translate Hebrew to English as the modern era Israelites speak & write a bastardized form of Hebrew that is more of a oriental language, but when pronounced sounds more like Polish. If ya don't believe it just ask a JW or contact the watchless-tower society! That New World Translation is about as accurate as a rifle with a bent barrel on a rifle equipped with no sights!
 
Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In verse 26 we see God the Father and Jesus Christ plan to create man in their own image an likeness. then in verse 27 we see the WORD fulfill this plan because in John 1:3 we learn that all things were create by the word. Physical man was create by the WORD of God who also was God according to John 1:1 and also verse 27 refers to the creator as God.

More evidence that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament aka God Almighty, I AM, Jehovah, and our Savior can be found in post 230 of the "Is Jesus God?" thread by clicking the link.

I think originally they worshipped the Canaanite Pantheon of gods... Then evolved to worshipping the chief god... Then the ONLY God.
 
Thought I'd give people a simple tool to address the JW who believe that the Bible says that the Word, that is, Jesus, was not God, but just a god.

Spot on .
The whole Cult Book is littered with the same translation error
Singular instead of plural .

More so with the Jews whom , despite being effectively Space Alien worshippers , were desperate to keep this hidden.

Wrecks the whole idea of Monotheism .
Not that this will deter Cultists whose cognitive rigidity has turned them into Deniers .
 
Why would you need to translate The Bible?

Just learn to read Hebrew and read the original.
The text they are parsing was 1st century Greek....though it did spend about 1700 years in Latin.
 
Thought I'd give people a simple tool to address the JW who believe that the Bible says that the Word, that is, Jesus, was not God, but just a god. Their New World study bible says in John 1:1c "and the Word was a god." Why? Is there a possible justification for putting in the indefinite article "a" before "God" to remove Jesus from the Godhead? To the average American Christian, there could be, and the JWs like to prey on the general ignorance of the Bible. However, there is a very simple way to prove that the indefinite article does not belong there.

Before I do, the JWs like to say that the indefinite article does belong because the Koine Greek doesn't really use indefinite articles, instead allowing them to be implied. Fair enough. After all, John 1:6 has an implied indefinite article when referencing the introduction of John the Baptist. So why not in John 1:1c to fit the belief that Jesus is not the 2nd Person of God, but Michael?

First, let's look at the immediate context, with the section in question removed:


John sure is taking great pains to describe Him as existing alongside God before Creation and being responsible for all Creation. If the Word is not God, then it will require some great rhetorical flourishes and long essays to prove it in light of this short passage. What John is doing is equivocating the Word and God, assigning them status as prior to Creation and Time, so saying "and the Word was God" makes the most sense.

But as we know, the broader context is the whole Bible. So where else do we find a similar passage? Why, in the beginning, of course! Genesis 1:1, likewise, says "In the beginning..." In the beginning...what? "...GOD created..." Oh? But John said that all things were created through the Word! I'm sure that JWs would claim that since John doesn't expressly say that the Word created everything, that the Word therefore isn't necessarily God, but the vessel by which God created everything else. However, how can that be when John says that nothing was made without the Word being directly involved? If the Word is created, then without the Word something was made that was made. Thus, the Word MUST be an uncreated creator. Genesis 1:1 says that God is the uncreated creator, therefore, the Word, who is Jesus, is God.
Quick question.....how could Jesus then refer constantly to a "father"??...not arguing with you but I do have some familiarity with the the subject.
 

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