America Doesn't Have The Moral Justification To Enter Into the Israel/Iran War!

So a Jewish Maniac starting World War III is okay by you.
What Jewish Maniac would that be?

Oh, and, by the way, when is WW3 starting?

I must've missed the memo.

The problem is, Russia or China might well intervene on Iran's side if the US joins in on Israel's attacks (which have largely failed to acheive their objectives).

Neither the Russians nor Chinese are in a position to intervene effectively... both they and we know that already.

Besides... both Russia and China have only cozied-up to Iran for narrow-purpose reasons... they don't like the mullahs either.

Neither of them are willing to risk millions of their own people just to keep an unpopular Muslim theocracy on its feet.
 
Who says they are building nukes? Bibi? He's a ******* liar. Been saying this for 30 years. Just like Bush warned us about WMD's in Iraq.

Trump loves to say Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if he was POTUS. Well, Israel wouldn't have bombed Iran if you weren't president either.
Several intelligence fancies from western nations say they are.


I don’t mind Israel striking iran. Iran’s proxies have been striking Israel for decades.
 

JimofPA Doesn't Have The Moral Justification To Start Post About the Israel/Iran War!​

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The consensus being promulgated in the media is that President Trump is going to use America's B-2 bomber to drop America's GBU-57 bunker buster bombs (30,000 pound) on Iran's Fordow Nuclear weapons facility. President Trump shouldn't do it because he doesn't have moral justification to do it. Doing such a bombing on an Iranian facility is an act of war against Iran. Assuming Iranian leaders had made the decision to build a nuclear bomb and would be weeks away from actually building one it still would not provide justification to bomb the Fordow facility to commit an act of war unless there was proof that Iran was planning to use the weapon and there is no such evidence and such a possibility seems almost a non-existent threat because if Iran was to use it the act would be against Israel and Israel has numerous nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them on Iran at will so Israel has the ability to essentially completely destroy Iran at least five time over with nuclear weapons and Iran's leaders know this and so they are not about to do something so stupid that it is insane which is to get into a nuclear war with Israel. It is not even responsible to believe that Iran's leader who is the only person with the power to make a decision to build a nuclear bomb, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, made such a decision. In March of this year America's chief intelligence officer Tulsi Gabbard testified before Congress that America's intelligence at the time indicated that Iran was not actually pursuing building a nuclear bomb; for twenty years Iran had the "know how" to build a nuclear bomb why all of a sudden in the last three months with America's President Trump green lighting almost anything that Israel's hawkish government wants to do would Iran's government decide to build a nuclear bomb it makes no sense it is a suicidal act! Why did Iran have a huge inventory of uranium enriched to 60 percent in 2025; such a level of enrichment to 60 percent began in 2021 as a result of a sabotage incident at an Iranian facility; and offering to reduce the enriched level of its uranium offered a good concession for Iran when they negotiated such a term way back in 2015 with President Obama. Further, America has a long history of disagreeing on the intelligence assessments about Iran's nuclear program with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu where Prime Minister Netanyahu gives ominous warnings about the danger of Iran getting a nuclear weapon contrary to U.S. intelligence and the Free World's assessments why is the U.S. government all of a sudden forsaking using scrutiny and taking Israeli's government assessments as gospel.

America has long supplied Israel with aerial bombs in its wars with its Middle Eastern enemies so giving Israel bunker busting bombs to destroy the Iran Fordow site isn't a big increase in America's involvement with Israel's military conflict. The problem is that this big bunker busting bomb the GBU-57 the Massive Ordinance Penetrator is too heavy for Israel combat planes so America can't just give this bomb to Israel and say go finish you mission about taking out this key Iran nuclear weapon site - America uses one of its big planes the B-2 to carry and drop the GBU-57 and this is why the Trump administration is planning to use U.S. B-2 pilots to bomb and destroy this Fordow site. Why aren't members of Congress offering and advocating a third option here which would be to give Israel America's second tier penetrating missiles the GBU-72 (5000 pound) bomb Israel planes could carry and drop this bomb. It would take multiple sorties by IDF pilots on the Fordow site to really destroy it but no big deal the IDF has air superiority and free reign for its pilots over Iran. The U.S. could also give the Israeli government the BLU -82 "Daisy Cutter" and GBU 43 "Mother of All Bombs" to drop them on the Fordow site to clear out the debris from the GBU-72 bombs to assess if the job is done and if more bombing is needed.

If the Trump Administration begins aerial bombing of Iran by many bad actors this will be considered as U.S. entering the Iran/Israel war on the side of Israel and what will be the consequences of this? Terrorist groups and lone wolf terrorists will attack Americans because they all see this Iran/Israel war as an extension of the fight of the Palestinian people to get their own state and stop having to live under the Israel government oppression! The fallout of this move by the Trump Administration will cost a significant number of Americans their lives at the hands of terrorists warning a tough response against terrorists by the Trump administration won't bring back or restore to health these killed and injured Americans. Everybody knows this move by President Trump to enter into the Iran war is coming down the pike why aren't members of both chambers of Congress passing a resolution saying to President Trump don't do this it is not in the best interest of the American people, it will be perceived as an act of war against Iran and the American people don't want to get into this war! Even members of Congress who are staunch allies of Israel don't want the Trump administration to send U.S. pilots to bomb Iran, Congress needs to not fail the American people here and stop this giant mistake!

Watching President Trump comment about this whole Iran/Israel war that has been unfolding over the last week President Trump seems to lack wisdom he seems to not understand who he is dealing with in the leader of Iran. Ayatollah Khamenei isn't a business leader that looks at things solely from a practical standpoint like I have suffered big practical losses how do I stop or mitigate it. Ayatollah Khamenei sees himself as a spiritual leader of a religion that cherishes jihad meaning he would be prepared to sacrifice many Iranians lives to uphold important Iranian principles. It is completely off the mark to think that the Ayatollah Khamenei is going to permanently give up the right to enrich uranium, many experts are making this assessment of don't have these completely unrealistic expectations. Moreover, the Ayatollah Khamenei will never agree to an unconditional surrender; hundreds if not thousands of Iranians giving their life in fighting Israel is not a problem for him whatsoever remember this leader is responsible for the killing and abusing hundreds if not thousands of young Iranians as a consequence of their opposition to the Iranian government over the murder of Mahsa Amini, Iran's theocracy objectives are paramount. President Trump would be smart to see things with wisdom. Prime Minister Netanyahu is not a wise leader he is not a leader that offers peace to his people he is as strong and tough as an Israeli leader comes but no Israeli leader can bring peace to his people through brutality and military force. The media as they often do promulgates the Israeli government narrative on current events which is that the Israeli government has had this spectacular victory and isn't shocking at how little the Iranian government was able to fight back; well the truth of the matter is that the Iranian government is in the drivers seat right now because Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn't have the power to stop this war and his people from being hurt. It hurts the Israeli people in being under constant threat of a missile barrage, it to a significant degree paralysis the Israeli economy, Israel has a big tourism economy tourists today don't want to travel into an active war zone. The Israel air force has destroyed a lot of Iran's missile manufacturing capacity and a lot of Iran's missile launchers but Iran is a big country and missile technology is not cutting edge the Israel government is not going to shut down the Iranian government's capacity to manufacture missiles and fire them at Israel! Prime Minister Netanyahu was not a smart leader in entering into this war with Iran where the timing of the end of the conflict is unknown and the Israeli government cannot control it and if President Trump wants to be a smart leader he will not tie his fate with Prime Minister Netanyahu who has acted unwise and reckless here!


Iran killing over 1000 Americans doesn't justify a response? :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:
 
So a Jewish Maniac starting World War III is okay by you.

The problem is, Russia or China might well intervene on Iran's side if the US joins in on Israel's attacks (which have largely failed to acheive their objectives).


No chance of Russia or China intervening. Nothing nin it for them.
 
What Jewish Maniac would that be?

Oh, and, by the way, when is WW3 starting?

I must've missed the memo.



Neither the Russians nor Chinese are in a position to intervene effectively... both they and we know that already.

Besides... both Russia and China have only cozied-up to Iran for narrow-purpose reasons... they don't like the mullahs either.

Neither of them are willing to risk millions of their own people just to keep an unpopular Muslim theocracy on its feet.

The maniac is Netanyahu.
He is the one responsible for the continuing illegal home confiscations in the West Bank, the starvation blockade, the ongoing genocide, etc.

No one can allow Iran to be illegally attacked.
It is not just China and Russia who will need to retaliate, but Pakistan, India, France, Germany, Turkey, etc.
 
No chance of Russia or China intervening. Nothing nin it for them.

There was "nothing in it for them" when Russia stopped Chain Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Batista in Cuba, Samosa in Nicaragua, etc.

You do not stop illegal things because you profits from stopping them, you stop illegal things so that illegal things don't get done to you later.
You can't allow illegal precedents because they harm everyone eventually.
 
Iran killing over 1000 Americans doesn't justify a response? :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:

Iran never started anything.
It is the US who starts all the illegal wars.
Desert Storm was illegal because Kuwait was stealing oil, bankrupting Iraq, and US ambassador Glasspie gave the approval for the invasion of Kuwait.
Shock and Awe was illegal because Iraq had no WMD and the US lied.
 
Iran never started anything.
It is the US who starts all the illegal wars.
Desert Storm was illegal because Kuwait was stealing oil, bankrupting Iraq, and US ambassador Glasspie gave the approval for the invasion of Kuwait.
Shock and Awe was illegal because Iraq had no WMD and the US lied.
 
There was "nothing in it for them" when Russia stopped Chain Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Batista in Cuba, Samosa in Nicaragua, etc.

You do not stop illegal things because you profits from stopping them, you stop illegal things so that illegal things don't get done to you later.
You can't allow illegal precedents because they harm everyone eventually.
There was a lot in for them. Spreading communism was an objective of religious proportions in the Soviet Union from day one.
 
The maniac is Netanyahu.
He is the one responsible for the continuing illegal home confiscations in the West Bank, the starvation blockade, the ongoing genocide, etc.

No one can allow Iran to be illegally attacked.
It is not just China and Russia who will need to retaliate, but Pakistan, India, France, Germany, Turkey, etc.

No one can allow Iran to be illegally attacked.

Everyone can allow it. Obviously.
 
Any U.S. Military intervention would force Russia to react. Our country uses military force against one of Putin's primary trading partners, Putin will be forced to act. WWIII in the offing. I for one don't see NATO wanting this to happen. 47 is mentally unstable and needs to be stopped.

Yet 80% of the country agrees with him.
 
1. It is totally immoral to prevent nuclear development because that is the only way countries can be safe, by having a deterrent to invasion.

2. The US has no legal or ethical grounds for preventing anyone from having nukes because we not only illegally used them on civilians, but we are the one illegally invading innocent countries.

3. The US should "take direct actions" against the offender who is committing genocide, which is Israel. The natives and land owners are the Palestinians. The Israelis are Polish and Russian refugee invaders who never paid for almost any land, and have no legal right to even be there.

4. The UN should do whatever it takes to disarm Israel and stop its obviously genocidal policies, like the illegal starvation blockade.
Iran harms no one, so should be left alone.
You are a very persistent terrorist/terrorist supporter
 
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Any U.S. Military intervention would force Russia to react. Our country uses military force against one of Putin's primary trading partners, Putin will be forced to act. WWIII in the offing. I for one don't see NATO wanting this to happen. 47 is mentally unstable and needs to be stopped.
Forty -Seven is listening to conmen like Mike Huckabee using the Bible & his deranged Baptist interpretation of if to induce Trump into war with Iran. The bastard thinks that the "Rapture" will result, but millions will die as scum like him hide out in some nuke proof bunker. That piece of shit is trying to convince Trump that he's God's "chosen one". Huckabee is a ******* madman & Susie Wiles shouldn't allow huckster Huckabee within a mile of Trump, who's deranged himself.

What could possibly go wrong with those two madmen listening to each other?
 
Millions will not die.

All Iran has to do is allow Arak and Fordor to be demolished. I bet the USA would even pay for it.
 
Iran never started anything.
It is the US who starts all the illegal wars.
Desert Storm was illegal because Kuwait was stealing oil, bankrupting Iraq, and US ambassador Glasspie gave the approval for the invasion of Kuwait.
Shock and Awe was illegal because Iraq had no WMD and the US lied.
Desert storm was legal

No approval was given by anyone for saddam to invade kuwait

Shock and awe was legal
 
Desert storm was legal

No approval was given by anyone for saddam to invade kuwait

Shock and awe was legal
Desert Stupid was an abuse of presidential power. The pretext were lies. There no "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The Shrub and Dead-Eye Dick(less) lied from the beginning. Ray-Gun sent Rummy to Iraq to make Whiskey Handshake Deal with a Iraqi Officer named Saddam Hussein went to become Dictator of that country. Saddam used chemical agents create mustard gas that he used on Iran and his people. Saddam never nuclear weapons and Iraqi oil never paid for the fucked up war.
 
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