America Doesn't Have The Moral Justification To Enter Into the Israel/Iran War!

[AZrailwhale]

We live in the ONLY COUNTRY that has ever used a nuke. We don't have the moral standing to stop anyone else from having one until we destroy all of ours

Bullcrap.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually, Neville caused WWII by writing the Polish Colonels a blank check.

Which would never have been cashed if Chamberlain had not given-away The Store in Munich the year before.

That caused Hitler to sign an agreement with Stalin instead of fighting a single-front war that would have been over in six weeks.

Chamberlain's (and France's ) weakness emboldened Hitler and convinced Stalin to buy into the Invasion to buy more time.

China is playing a long game. While we drop bombs, they build roads. Roads that move Chinese products into new markets.

China is not being actively and persistently threatened by Iranian theocratic leadership. Both the Israelis and we are.

Which is one of the reasons why China will not intervene militarily on Iran's behalf...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Iran wants to sell nuclear bombs. They will become a bomb factory, and everyone they now support, Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest, are all going to aim them in our direction. Russia and China may join in.

Russia and China will want no part of helping such an effort, because it could threaten them.

 

[buttercup]

 

[Stryder50]

Do you actually have evidence of either?

When my son got back from Iraq, fighting there with the 1st Cav in Baghdad(Sadr City), back in 2005, he told me have the "insurgents" they killed and captured had Farsi grave markers on them, spoke Farsi. We, USA, were fighting Iran back then and the engagement never really ended.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Desert Stupid was an abuse of presidential power. The pretext were lies. There no "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The Shrub and Dead-Eye Dick(less) lied from the beginning. Ray-Gun sent Rummy to Iraq to make Whiskey Handshake Deal with a Iraqi Officer named Saddam Hussein went to become Dictator of that country. Saddam used chemical agents create mustard gas that he used on Iran and his people. Saddam never nuclear weapons and Iraqi oil never paid for the fucked up war.

All irrelevant

It was legal which was the point being discussed

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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LOL!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Buttercup forget to include Trump.

That is where he is headed with crypto.

 

[buttercup]

Buttercup forget to include Trump.

That is where he is headed with crypto.

Contrary to what the overwhelming majority here believe....Unlike a few world leaders who don't go along with the NWO, Trump is part of "the club." So yeah, we are heading in the direction of a new financial system. It's just a matter of when.

 

[tahuyaman]

Desert Stupid was an abuse of presidential power. The pretext were lies. There no "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The Shrub and Dead-Eye Dick(less) lied from the beginning. Ray-Gun sent Rummy to Iraq to make Whiskey Handshake Deal with an Iraqi Officer named Saddam Hussein went to become Dictator of that country. Saddam used chemical agents create mustard gas that he used on Iran and his people. Saddam never nuclear weapons and Iraqi oil never paid for the fucked up war.

Iraq had a stockpile of chemical weapons which they had a history of using. That is classified as a WMD.

 

[el midgetron]

President Trump is going to use America's B-2 bomber to drop America's GBU-57 bunker buster bombs (30,000 pound) on Iran's Fordow Nuclear weapons facility. President Trump shouldn't do it because he doesn't have moral justification to do it.

Russian disinformation.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Iraq had a stockpile of chemical weapons which they had a history of using. That is classified as a WMD.

But it was not a stockpile of nuclear weapons.

 

[irosie91]

But it was not a stockpile of nuclear weapons.

correct----and AT NO TIME did Bush claim that Iraq had nuclear weapons----he said WMD---
"weapons of mass destruction" and he was right

 

[braalian]

The consensus being promulgated in the media is that President Trump is going to use America's B-2 bomber to drop America's GBU-57 bunker buster bombs (30,000 pound) on Iran's Fordow Nuclear weapons facility. President Trump shouldn't do it because he doesn't have moral justification to do it. Doing such a bombing on an Iranian facility is an act of war against Iran. Assuming Iranian leaders had made the decision to build a nuclear bomb and would be weeks away from actually building one it still would not provide justification to bomb the Fordow facility to commit an act of war unless there was proof that Iran was planning to use the weapon and there is no such evidence and such a possibility seems almost a non-existent threat because if Iran was to use it the act would be against Israel and Israel has numerous nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them on Iran at will so Israel has the ability to essentially completely destroy Iran at least five time over with nuclear weapons and Iran's leaders know this and so they are not about to do something so stupid that it is insane which is to get into a nuclear war with Israel. It is not even responsible to believe that Iran's leader who is the only person with the power to make a decision to build a nuclear bomb, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, made such a decision. In March of this year America's chief intelligence officer Tulsi Gabbard testified before Congress that America's intelligence at the time indicated that Iran was not actually pursuing building a nuclear bomb; for twenty years Iran had the "know how" to build a nuclear bomb why all of a sudden in the last three months with America's President Trump green lighting almost anything that Israel's hawkish government wants to do would Iran's government decide to build a nuclear bomb it makes no sense it is a suicidal act! Why did Iran have a huge inventory of uranium enriched to 60 percent in 2025; such a level of enrichment to 60 percent began in 2021 as a result of a sabotage incident at an Iranian facility; and offering to reduce the enriched level of its uranium offered a good concession for Iran when they negotiated such a term way back in 2015 with President Obama. Further, America has a long history of disagreeing on the intelligence assessments about Iran's nuclear program with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu where Prime Minister Netanyahu gives ominous warnings about the danger of Iran getting a nuclear weapon contrary to U.S. intelligence and the Free World's assessments why is the U.S. government all of a sudden forsaking using scrutiny and taking Israeli's government assessments as gospel.

America has long supplied Israel with aerial bombs in its wars with its Middle Eastern enemies so giving Israel bunker busting bombs to destroy the Iran Fordow site isn't a big increase in America's involvement with Israel's military conflict. The problem is that this big bunker busting bomb the GBU-57 the Massive Ordinance Penetrator is too heavy for Israel combat planes so America can't just give this bomb to Israel and say go finish you mission about taking out this key Iran nuclear weapon site - America uses one of its big planes the B-2 to carry and drop the GBU-57 and this is why the Trump administration is planning to use U.S. B-2 pilots to bomb and destroy this Fordow site. Why aren't members of Congress offering and advocating a third option here which would be to give Israel America's second tier penetrating missiles the GBU-72 (5000 pound) bomb Israel planes could carry and drop this bomb. It would take multiple sorties by IDF pilots on the Fordow site to really destroy it but no big deal the IDF has air superiority and free reign for its pilots over Iran. The U.S. could also give the Israeli government the BLU -82 "Daisy Cutter" and GBU 43 "Mother of All Bombs" to drop them on the Fordow site to clear out the debris from the GBU-72 bombs to assess if the job is done and if more bombing is needed.

If the Trump Administration begins aerial bombing of Iran by many bad actors this will be considered as U.S. entering the Iran/Israel war on the side of Israel and what will be the consequences of this? Terrorist groups and lone wolf terrorists will attack Americans because they all see this Iran/Israel war as an extension of the fight of the Palestinian people to get their own state and stop having to live under the Israel government oppression! The fallout of this move by the Trump Administration will cost a significant number of Americans their lives at the hands of terrorists warning a tough response against terrorists by the Trump administration won't bring back or restore to health these killed and injured Americans. Everybody knows this move by President Trump to enter into the Iran war is coming down the pike why aren't members of both chambers of Congress passing a resolution saying to President Trump don't do this it is not in the best interest of the American people, it will be perceived as an act of war against Iran and the American people don't want to get into this war! Even members of Congress who are staunch allies of Israel don't want the Trump administration to send U.S. pilots to bomb Iran, Congress needs to not fail the American people here and stop this giant mistake!

Watching President Trump comment about this whole Iran/Israel war that has been unfolding over the last week President Trump seems to lack wisdom he seems to not understand who he is dealing with in the leader of Iran. Ayatollah Khamenei isn't a business leader that looks at things solely from a practical standpoint like I have suffered big practical losses how do I stop or mitigate it. Ayatollah Khamenei sees himself as a spiritual leader of a religion that cherishes jihad meaning he would be prepared to sacrifice many Iranians lives to uphold important Iranian principles. It is completely off the mark to think that the Ayatollah Khamenei is going to permanently give up the right to enrich uranium, many experts are making this assessment of don't have these completely unrealistic expectations. Moreover, the Ayatollah Khamenei will never agree to an unconditional surrender; hundreds if not thousands of Iranians giving their life in fighting Israel is not a problem for him whatsoever remember this leader is responsible for the killing and abusing hundreds if not thousands of young Iranians as a consequence of their opposition to the Iranian government over the murder of Mahsa Amini, Iran's theocracy objectives are paramount. President Trump would be smart to see things with wisdom. Prime Minister Netanyahu is not a wise leader he is not a leader that offers peace to his people he is as strong and tough as an Israeli leader comes but no Israeli leader can bring peace to his people through brutality and military force. The media as they often do promulgates the Israeli government narrative on current events which is that the Israeli government has had this spectacular victory and isn't shocking at how little the Iranian government was able to fight back; well the truth of the matter is that the Iranian government is in the drivers seat right now because Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn't have the power to stop this war and his people from being hurt. It hurts the Israeli people in being under constant threat of a missile barrage, it to a significant degree paralysis the Israeli economy, Israel has a big tourism economy tourists today don't want to travel into an active war zone. The Israel air force has destroyed a lot of Iran's missile manufacturing capacity and a lot of Iran's missile launchers but Iran is a big country and missile technology is not cutting edge the Israel government is not going to shut down the Iranian government's capacity to manufacture missiles and fire them at Israel! Prime Minister Netanyahu was not a smart leader in entering into this war with Iran where the timing of the end of the conflict is unknown and the Israeli government cannot control it and if President Trump wants to be a smart leader he will not tie his fate with Prime Minister Netanyahu who has acted unwise and reckless here!

**** Iran

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I agree. Iran can step back and sit down and roll over and bear it's ****.

 

[krichton]

Several intelligence fancies from western nations say they are.


I don’t mind Israel striking iran. Iran’s proxies have been striking Israel for decades.

Our own intelligence agencies say they aren't. So does the IAEA

 

[irosie91]

Our own intelligence agencies say they aren't. So does the IAEA

Our Intelligence agencies say that who aren't what?

 

[JoeB131]

The mullahs will nuke Tel Aviv, JoeB, if they have the bomb. You understand?

Not that I care if they do, but what do you base that on?

First, there's no evidence that Iran was working on a bomb. We've heard the Zionists whine for the last 30 years that Iran was within weeks or days of getting a bomb. THIRTY ******* YEARS. Keep in mind, the Manhattan Project whipped up the first A-bomb in less than 4 years. You are telling me that Iran can't replicate the cutting edge technology of 1944 in 30 years of trying?

Second, nuking Tel Aviv would mean that the Zionists would nuke Iran in exchange, and they have an arsenal of about 90 nuclear devices. (Oddly, even though the Zionists have started numerous wars and have committed aggression against ALL their neighbors, no one seems to think THAT is a threat to world peace.)

Third, even if the Iranians DID nuke Israel, they would also kill their Palestinian Brothers, the whole reason why they are hostile to Israel to start with.

So, no, your logic makes no sense, but by all means, put on your MAGA hat and start cheering on a war over fake weapons. It's like you never learned a ******* thing from the Iraq War.

 

[JoeB131]

Which would never have been cashed if Chamberlain had not given-away The Store in Munich the year before.

Um, no, Chamberlain recognized reality in Munich. Germany had Czechoslovakia surrounded on three sides, the Slovaks wanted no part of the Czech, and the country had a lot of Hungarians and Germans who didn't want to support the government.

He had no store to give away. The problem is he was blamed for what inevitably happened, that the myth of "Czechoslovakia" exploded.

Chamberlain's (and France's ) weakness emboldened Hitler and convinced Stalin to buy into the Invasion to buy more time.

Or- Chamberlain and France were more worried about Stalin than Hitler. Hitler was just killing Jews. Stalin was killing rich people. Got to have your priorities here.

China is not being actively and persistently threatened by Iranian theocratic leadership. Both the Israelis and we are.

Oh, no, not the scary theocrats? They are threatening the religious apartheid state that we support so Jesus can come back!!!

Which is one of the reasons why China will not intervene militarily on Iran's behalf...

Again, no one expected a border dispute with Poland to erupt into a six year global conflict.
No one expected a squabble over a dead arch-duke to erupt into a four years global conflict.

When my son got back from Iraq, fighting there with the 1st Cav in Baghdad(Sadr City), back in 2005, he told me have the "insurgents" they killed and captured had Farsi grave markers on them, spoke Farsi. We, USA, were fighting Iran back then and the engagement never really ended.

Anecdotes aren't evidence.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We have not had an atomic bomb for 80 years explode this coming August.

Any of you who say "so what" are derelicts of humanity, you have nothing to offer.

Iran must give up its efforts and surrender its materials, or we all are in mortal peril.