Allen West is a disgrace.

[digger]

It doesn't matter the climate, the harsh reality of possible death around the next corner can be tough for some to deal with. Fear of the unknown is key in any war.

I'm not gonna criticize somebody who took the initiative and mind-fucked the enemy. I especially take umrage at anyone who ignores the full story while defending our enemies.

If you are military eligible and you truly believe "we" have "enemies" you should be under arms alongside your countrymen instead of going off about something you apparently have little understanding of.

We are not at war in Iraq and we never were. Iraq was a relatively defenseless sovereign nation which we attacked illegally and without provocation. The Iraqi people are not our enemies. We are their enemies. We invaded and occupied their country, they didn't invade ours. What the Bush Administration ("we") did was a categorical war crime facilitated by a deliberate and calculated lie.

My concern for right and wrong in this regard is the ultimate cost of doing things the wrong way -- such as those five cops in L.A. who beat the shit out of Rodney King learned the hard way. What Colonel West did might appeal to know-nothing, armchair troopers but it's exactly the kind of thing that incites retaliation.

By West's own admission the Iraqi police officer he brutalized was more than likely not guilty of anything. So while that police officer, along with all his relatives and friends, were not our "enemies" before you may rest assured they are now. As are the dozens of questionably detained prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison who were tortured and mistreated in a manner that reflects on all Americans, not just the ones who "took the initiative."

West is a grandstanding opportunist. The problem is others down the line will pay for his malfeasance.

You are a damned fool.

And LTC West never said any such thing. he said it was possible that he was wrong. Well it is possible that OJ is guilty too. But it's also possible that I can become President.... Do you understand the meaning of the word possible yet? It is possible that you could start using your brain.

There's no need for the extraneous insults. Remove them, and your point can be made in one sentence. "West said that the person could "possibly" have been entirely innocent.

To which I reply. West also admitted that there was no evidence that the man was guilty. He was released two weeks later. So hey, it's a toss up! Might as well torture him, right?

 

[digger]

Bourgeoisie......?

Thanks for the input comrade.

I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

MikeK and the new left are indeed dedicated to the destruction of the middle class, which has been the agenda of the old left since the days of Marx.

Notice that when the attacks are made on the "rich," they are aimed at those making $250k or so a year. Oprah, Michael Moore, Afflec and the rest of the truly wealthy left are not the target - it is the middle, it has always been the middle.

I did. Sorry. When someone uses the word Bourgeoisie or any of the other usual communist propaganda I see red.

Translation : Oh, I didn't realize that we were on the same side. Now I agree with whatever it is you just said, even though I didn't read it in the first place.

 

[MikeK]

You are a damned fool.

And LTC West never said any such thing. he said it was possible that he was wrong. Well it is possible that OJ is guilty too. But it's also possible that I can become President.... Do you understand the meaning of the word possible yet? It is possible that you could start using your brain.

Is it "possible" that you are sexually attracted to Allen West, which is why you are defending him?

Of course it's "possible." But it's not very likely, is it? So let's stop playing schoolyard games. The next obvious question for West is, if it's "possible" that you're wrong, i.e., the man isn't guilty of anything, then why take it upon yourself to behave like Pancho Villa, to brutally abuse him and give him cause to despise the U.S. Army and "possibly" seek retaliation? Is it possible that you are a showboating screwball who should be forced to resign?

The only appropriate answer to the question of "possibility" is one does not do something like that unless one is convinced beyond reasonable doubt that one is right. One does not take it upon oneself to have one's troopers beat the shit out of a local official and then terrorize him with death threats on the basis of a "possible" conspiracy.

The bottom line is has any evidence been found to support West's suspicion? If not then it's more than just "possible" that he was as wrong as two left feet.

 

[grunt11b]

West doesn't deserver an OUNCE of respect.

In fact, his A$$ should be behind bars.

GD Republicans and their GD support for criminals.

Republicans voted in a GD car thief and are proud of it.

Now they are pushing this madman as something good.

Republicans love to shat in people's cups and call it puddin'.

Dispicable!!!

GOP support for criminals? I think not.
What party is trying to give convicted felons behind bars voting rights? The Democrats. Just like they are trying to make it easy for illegals to vote for them also. You're a bunch of worms, a fucken disease.
Pot meet kettle.

 

[IHBF]

Clearly, the OP is dredging up this distraction because (s)he is a racist.

 

[grunt11b]

If you are military eligible and you truly believe "we" have "enemies" you should be under arms alongside your countrymen instead of going off about something you apparently have little understanding of.

We are not at war in Iraq and we never were. Iraq was a relatively defenseless sovereign nation which we attacked illegally and without provocation. The Iraqi people are not our enemies. We are their enemies. We invaded and occupied their country, they didn't invade ours. What the Bush Administration ("we") did was a categorical war crime facilitated by a deliberate and calculated lie.

My concern for right and wrong in this regard is the ultimate cost of doing things the wrong way -- such as those five cops in L.A. who beat the shit out of Rodney King learned the hard way. What Colonel West did might appeal to know-nothing, armchair troopers but it's exactly the kind of thing that incites retaliation.

By West's own admission the Iraqi police officer he brutalized was more than likely not guilty of anything. So while that police officer, along with all his relatives and friends, were not our "enemies" before you may rest assured they are now. As are the dozens of questionably detained prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison who were tortured and mistreated in a manner that reflects on all Americans, not just the ones who "took the initiative."

West is a grandstanding opportunist. The problem is others down the line will pay for his malfeasance.

You are a damned fool.

And LTC West never said any such thing. he said it was possible that he was wrong. Well it is possible that OJ is guilty too. But it's also possible that I can become President.... Do you understand the meaning of the word possible yet? It is possible that you could start using your brain.

There's no need for the extraneous insults. Remove them, and your point can be made in one sentence. "West said that the person could "possibly" have been entirely innocent.

To which I reply. West also admitted that there was no evidence that the man was guilty. He was released two weeks later. So hey, it's a toss up! Might as well torture him, right?

 

[digger]

Clearly I'm the one playing the race card because we've just about finished explaining why West was so wrong to torture that man who was "probably" innocent, and I want to put some distance between that and the bottom of the page.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Clearly I'm the one playing the race card because we've just about finished explaining why West was so wrong to torture that man who was "probably" innocent, and I want to put some distance between that and the bottom of the page.

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

 

[digger]

West doesn't deserver an OUNCE of respect.

In fact, his A$$ should be behind bars.

GD Republicans and their GD support for criminals.

Republicans voted in a GD car thief and are proud of it.

Now they are pushing this madman as something good.

Republicans love to shat in people's cups and call it puddin'.

Dispicable!!!

GOP support for criminals? I think not.
What party is trying to give convicted felons behind bars voting rights? The Democrats. Just like they are trying to make it easy for illegals to vote for them also. You're a bunch of worms, a fucken disease.
Pot meet kettle.

When you realize that just because you catch a Democrat doing something despicable, it doesn't excuse the despicable things that Republicans do, you'll take your first step towards not being a partisan attack bot.

 

[digger]

I think I'll stick with the definition of torture we had before Bush changed it. It matches my personal code of ethics and makes common sense. How about you? Would you say that West "conducted an enhanced interrogation?" That's eleven syllables, but it's still torture.

(with no interrogation training)

 

[Zona]

Clearly I'm the one playing the race card because we've just about finished explaining why West was so wrong to torture that man who was "probably" innocent, and I want to put some distance between that and the bottom of the page.

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Clearly I'm the one playing the race card because we've just about finished explaining why West was so wrong to torture that man who was "probably" innocent, and I want to put some distance between that and the bottom of the page.

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

You are a liar. there is no nice way to say it. West made his own decision to retire unless of course you can prove he lied about that......And since you cannot prove it, you lie!

 

[Wicked Jester]

Clearly I'm the one playing the race card because we've just about finished explaining why West was so wrong to torture that man who was "probably" innocent, and I want to put some distance between that and the bottom of the page.

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

What is it with you liberals and your abject lying?

It's already been proven up here, and in other threads that West wasn't forced to retire.

Why do you continue to lie, Zona?

Oh, that's right, because West has the balls to call out your beloved abject of a failure president......The fully proven worst president in US history......That just drives you Obamabot loons friggin' bonkers. How dare anybody call out the all mighty Obama....He's just the mostest perfect man we liberals ever did see, yes indeedee!

Fuckin' LMAO at you fools!

 

[Zona]

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

You are a liar. there is no nice way to say it. West made his own decision to retire unless of course you can prove he lied about that......And since you cannot prove it, you lie!

Are you telling me he retired on his own after he was charged with 2 violations found guilty and fined?

Since you cant produce anything that says he "retired" on his own, you sir are lying.

Now, did he have to pay that fine or am I lying about that as well? Am I lying about him being busted on two violations of the UCMJ?

Really? He retired immediately after he was found guilty of two violations. He committed assault if you want to know what he got busted for. Then was told to get out and pay 5k. I was hoping you would not go this low with Jester but it looks like you did.

Sir, with all due respect, dont be a hack. You know how the military works and he was bounced and made to pay 5k and the alternative was him going to a courts martial where he faced 11 years.

YOU LIE ...(respectfully).

 

[Zona]

Nobody was tortured, you dishonest lil' fool.

Christ lil' man, you just caught lying over on the other thread claiming that FEDS were shooting unarmed people during Katrina, and now you come up here and lie yet again.

You won't last long up here, son.

Liars have a tendency to get banned quite quickly....Ya' might want to start being honest, and acting less like a partisan hack troll......Otherwise, you'll find your ass back on the Sesame Street board where your immature lil' ass obviously belongs.

Just friendly advice, lil' one.

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

What is it with you liberals and your abject lying?

It's already been proven up here, and in other threads that West wasn't forced to retire.

Why do you continue to lie, Zona?

Oh, that's right, because West has the balls to call out your beloved abject of a failure president......The fully proven worst president in US history......That just drives you Obamabot loons friggin' bonkers. How dare anybody call out the all mighty Obama....He's just the mostest perfect man we liberals ever did see, yes indeedee!

Fuckin' LMAO at you fools!

Divert alert..oh and


Dude, seek help.

(oh and allen west is a disgrace.)

 

[Wicked Jester]

A psychiatrist would have ball with you.

Allen West is a disgraced officer who was forced to retire and pay back 5k on the way out the door. It was either that or face going to jail. All for doing something he was not responsible to do and not going it well at all.

His violations of the ucmj were career killers. That is a fact. Now are you going to have a breakdown with me as well? Dude, seek help. Maybe you and West can see the same doc? Good luck with that.

You are a liar. there is no nice way to say it. West made his own decision to retire unless of course you can prove he lied about that......And since you cannot prove it, you lie!

Are you telling me he retired on his own after he was charged with 2 violations found guilty and fined?

Since you cant produce anything that says he "retired" on his own, you sir are lying.

Now, did he have to pay that fine or am I lying about that as well? Am I lying about him being busted on two violations of the UCMJ?

Really? He retired immediately after he was found guilty of two violations. He committed assault if you want to know what he got busted for. Then was told to get out and pay 5k. I was hoping you would not go this low with Jester but it looks like you did.

Sir, with all due respect, dont be a hack. You know how the military works and he was bounced and made to pay 5k and the alternative was him going to a courts martial where he faced 11 years.

YOU LIE ...(respectfully).

Quit your damn lying, Zona.

You have not offered up one shred of evidence to support your obvious bogus claim.

Nowhere can you show he was forced to retire.....Nowhere did Odierno say he was forced to retire.....Nowhere in the article 15 proceedings does it say he was forced to retire.

YOU ARE ABJECTLY LYING, YOU DISHONEST, DISGRACEFUL LIL' HACK!

Btw, why do you refuse to addrress your BS about Con Hogs service record?.....You said you had proof he never served....You then disappeared for quite a long time after making said claim.......You were obviously lying about that too......You truly are a disgraceful human being, Zona.

Nothing you say should ever be taken as truth, or as being even remotely credible....You are a hack troll, nothing more.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The prosecutors gave West a choice – face charges or resign within days of his 20 years of service, losing retirement benefits. West chose to face the charges and place his fate in the hands of Maj. Gen. Odierno.

Read more: Lt. Col. West fined $5,000 http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=22287#ixzz1KxmnzNAr

 

[The T]

You are a liar. there is no nice way to say it. West made his own decision to retire unless of course you can prove he lied about that......And since you cannot prove it, you lie!

Are you telling me he retired on his own after he was charged with 2 violations found guilty and fined?

Since you cant produce anything that says he "retired" on his own, you sir are lying.

Now, did he have to pay that fine or am I lying about that as well? Am I lying about him being busted on two violations of the UCMJ?

Really? He retired immediately after he was found guilty of two violations. He committed assault if you want to know what he got busted for. Then was told to get out and pay 5k. I was hoping you would not go this low with Jester but it looks like you did.

Sir, with all due respect, dont be a hack. You know how the military works and he was bounced and made to pay 5k and the alternative was him going to a courts martial where he faced 11 years.

YOU LIE ...(respectfully).

Quit your damn lying, Zona.

You have not offered up one shred of evidence to support your obvious bogus claim.

Nowhere can you show he was forced to retire.....Nowhere did Odierno say he was forced to retire.....Nowhere in the article 15 proceedings does it say he was forced to retire.

YOU ARE ABJECTLY LYING, YOU DISHONEST, DISGRACEFUL LIL' HACK!

Btw, why do you refuse to addrress your BS about Con Hogs service record?.....You said you had proof he never served....You then disappeared for quite a long time after making said claim.......You were obviously lying about that too......You truly are a disgraceful human being, Zona.

Nothing you say should ever be taken as truth, or as being even remotely credible....You are a hack troll, nothing more.

<==Sum of Zona's Quandry with himself.

 

[The T]

The prosecutors gave West a choice – face charges or resign within days of his 20 years of service, losing retirement benefits. West chose to face the charges and place his fate in the hands of Maj. Gen. Odierno.

Read more: Lt. Col. West fined $5,000 Lt. Col. West fined $5,000

In other words? He Manned UP...took what was coming. /Scenario...

NOW he is in Congress standing UP for the Republic.

How SOLID can a man be?

 

[Liability]

I think I'll stick with the definition of torture we had before Bush changed it. It matches my personal code of ethics and makes common sense. How about you? Would you say that West "conducted an enhanced interrogation?" That's eleven syllables, but it's still torture.

(with no interrogation training)

We had no definition of Torture BEFORE President Bush that we don't have now.

We just never included some of the shit BEFORE you rabid liberal attack pussies went on the attack.

Not all unpleasant crap constitutes "torture." And thankfully your alleged "personal code of 'ethics'" is not controlling on anybody else.

And to whatever extent that Lt. Col. West did engage in some enhanced interrogation technique, no that does not constitute "torture" just because a partisan tool like you wants to believe it does.