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Do they really exist??? .
Am I supposed to believe that?
aliens don't exist
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Am I supposed to believe that?
Fort Fun Indiana
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Probably...?
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Now we diluted it from definitely to probably. Youre getting warm.
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"We" didn't, that's just my answer.
I the case of the earliest civs we don't have complete records of what they wrote or thought, rather some spotty ones based upon what archeologists have stumbled upon. And quite often those archeologists have retrofitted their own bias and suppositions to those limited finds.
There may be no "hint" of the "two chromosomes fusing" but there are hints of some knowledge of DNA.
In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" Gilgamesh makes several references to himself being two-thirds divine because his mother was a "Goddess"(Annunaki) and his father a human. For some time this confused historians because it would seem it should have been half and half, half from mother(egg), and another half from father(sperm). And this of course being after the initial basics of DNA were known and that one strand each comes from a parent. Only in recent decades has more become know about mitochondrial DNA(mtDNA) which is passed on by mother to child, and only on down through generations via the female line of descendants.
Hence the source perhaps of Gilgamesh's claim. Regular strand of DNA in mom's egg along with the assorted mtDNA within the egg cell nucleus, for two thirds, and the regular strand from dad's sperm tow form the double helix in a zygote. Gilgamesh likely didn't have access to a microscope nor as scientific detailed knowledge as is available today, but sounds like he was taught and grasped enough of the basic to have a "hint" about DNA.
Images from the ear tend to also support a possible "hint" about DNA:
And, the Wiki;
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The caduceus (☤; /kəˈdjuːʃəs, -siəs/; Latin: cādūceus, from Greek: κηρύκειον kērū́keion "herald's wand, or staff")https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#cite_note-4 is the staff carried by Hermes in Greek mythology and consequently by Hermes Trismegistus in Greco-Egyptian mythology. The same staff was also borne by heralds in general, for example by Iris, the messenger of Hera. It is a short staff entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. In Roman iconography, it was often depicted being carried in the left hand of Mercury, the messenger of the gods.
Some accounts suggest that the oldest known imagery of the caduceus has its roots in Mesopotamia with the Sumerian god Ningishzida; whose symbol, a staff with two snakes intertwined around it, dates back to 4000 BC to 3000 BC.[3]
As a symbolic object, it represents Hermes (or the Roman Mercury), and by extension trades, occupations, or undertakings associated with the god. In later Antiquity, the caduceus provided the basis for the astrological symbol representing the planet Mercury. Thus, through its use in astrology, alchemy, and astronomy it has come to denote the planet and elemental metal of the same name. It is said the wand would wake the sleeping and send the awake to sleep. If applied to the dying, their death was gentle; if applied to the dead, they returned to life.[4]
By extension of its association with Mercury and Hermes, the caduceus is also a recognized symbol of commerce and negotiation, two realms in which balanced exchange and reciprocity are recognized as ideals.[5][6][7] This association is ancient, and consistent from the Classical period to modern times.[8][9] The caduceus is also used as a symbol representing printing, again by extension of the attributes of Mercury (in this case associated with writing and eloquence).
Although the Rod of Asclepius is the traditional and more widely used symbol of medicine, which has only one snake and is never depicted with wings, the Caduceus is sometimes used by healthcare organizations. Given that the caduceus is primarily a symbol of commerce and other non-medical symbology, many health-care professionals disapprove of this usage.[10]
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Caduceus - Wikipedia
Also as mentioned earlier, in Genesis, when the "sons of the Gods" mate with the "daughters of man" and sire offspring, this would "hint" that both parties have the fused second chromosome.
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So "hints' are there, but actual statements/claims hard to find, largely because the words/terms for such were in the vocabulary of the times.
Fort Fun Indiana
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Because the earliest civs didn't write anything at all. They didn't have written language. We know about when written language arose.
Godboy
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The universe is a big place. Seems unlikely that we are the only intelligent life in it.
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We have the solar winds and they are too harsh for any kind of life to live under, i.e. nothing can live in outer space. Thus, a planet would need some kind of protection from the solar winds as well as light from the sun or stars for heat. We also see collisions of galaxies. We know that life needs a planet like Earth with water underground and a magnetic field. Studying Mars, we know that a planet can easily turn into a desolate place without the magnetic field and being exposed to the solar winds.
NASA wants to sent humans to Mars to see if they can find fossils or any evidence of past life. They're afraid that their astronauts could die there facing the solar winds as Mars has no magnetic field.
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Godboy
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We have discovered MANY earth like "Goldilocks" planets already. Earth isnt unique.
james bond
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Earth is unique from the oceans below its surface, magnetic field, ability to grow food, and more despite sin. You haven't lived anywhere else. If you had, then you'd die immediately. I'd love to send my detractors to Mars.
Godboy
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No, there are many other planets like Earth.
The 6 Most Earth-like Alien Planets
Here are 10 exoplanets regarded as the most Earth-like alien worlds discovered to date.
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I the case of the earliest civs we don't have complete records of what they wrote or thought, rather some spotty ones based upon what archeologists have stumbled upon. And quite often those archeologists have retrofitted their own bias and suppositions to those limited finds.
There may be no "hint" of the "two chromosomes fusing" but there are hints of some knowledge of DNA.
In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" Gilgamesh makes several references to himself being two-thirds divine because his mother was a "Goddess"(Annunaki) and his father a human. For some time this confused historians because it would seem it should have been half and half, half from mother(egg), and another half from father(sperm). And this of course being after the initial basics of DNA were known and that one strand each comes from a parent. Only in recent decades has more become know about mitochondrial DNA(mtDNA) which is passed on by mother to child, and only on down through generations via the female line of descendants.
Hence the source perhaps of Gilgamesh's claim. Regular strand of DNA in mom's egg along with the assorted mtDNA within the egg cell nucleus, for two thirds, and the regular strand from dad's sperm tow form the double helix in a zygote. Gilgamesh likely didn't have access to a microscope nor as scientific detailed knowledge as is available today, but sounds like he was taught and grasped enough of the basic to have a "hint" about DNA.
Images from the ear tend to also support a possible "hint" about DNA:
And, the Wiki;
...
The caduceus (☤; /kəˈdjuːʃəs, -siəs/; Latin: cādūceus, from Greek: κηρύκειον kērū́keion "herald's wand, or staff")Caduceus - Wikipedia is the staff carried by Hermes in Greek mythology and consequently by Hermes Trismegistus in Greco-Egyptian mythology. The same staff was also borne by heralds in general, for example by Iris, the messenger of Hera. It is a short staff entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. In Roman iconography, it was often depicted being carried in the left hand of Mercury, the messenger of the gods.
Some accounts suggest that the oldest known imagery of the caduceus has its roots in Mesopotamia with the Sumerian god Ningishzida; whose symbol, a staff with two snakes intertwined around it, dates back to 4000 BC to 3000 BC.[3]
As a symbolic object, it represents Hermes (or the Roman Mercury), and by extension trades, occupations, or undertakings associated with the god. In later Antiquity, the caduceus provided the basis for the astrological symbol representing the planet Mercury. Thus, through its use in astrology, alchemy, and astronomy it has come to denote the planet and elemental metal of the same name. It is said the wand would wake the sleeping and send the awake to sleep. If applied to the dying, their death was gentle; if applied to the dead, they returned to life.[4]
By extension of its association with Mercury and Hermes, the caduceus is also a recognized symbol of commerce and negotiation, two realms in which balanced exchange and reciprocity are recognized as ideals.[5][6][7] This association is ancient, and consistent from the Classical period to modern times.[8][9] The caduceus is also used as a symbol representing printing, again by extension of the attributes of Mercury (in this case associated with writing and eloquence).
Although the Rod of Asclepius is the traditional and more widely used symbol of medicine, which has only one snake and is never depicted with wings, the Caduceus is sometimes used by healthcare organizations. Given that the caduceus is primarily a symbol of commerce and other non-medical symbology, many health-care professionals disapprove of this usage.[10]
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............Caduceus - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Also as mentioned earlier, in Genesis, when the "sons of the Gods" mate with the "daughters of man" and sire offspring, this would "hint" that both parties have the fused second chromosome.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So "hints' are there, but actual statements/claims hard to find, largely because the words/terms for such were in the vocabulary of the times.
Only a comment to the picture of the two snakes and the DNA-strand. This are totally different structures. The DNA-strand is like a screw - the snakes are like a weaving pattern.
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You have not any light idea about quantum mechanics, isn't it?
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zaangalewa
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You did absolutelly not understand what I said to you. Again: Take a random number between 0..1 for the chance that life exists and take a random number between 1..oo for the possibilty that this life exists anywhere in our nearly endless universe then you will get a number for the civilsations by multiplying both numbers - but you never will know what result you will get. So in theory no one knows anything.
And that's what we know:
Our own galaxy is damned old. It should be full of life everywhere if many ideas around the phrase "self organisation of matter" would be true - or the step "living matter" started in this process just now. In this second case we don't have to take a look to younger galaxies, what are nearly all other galaxies which we see. Our galaxy started to exist about only 800 million years after the big bang. And most regions (too much and too low energy) and most kind of stars (red dwarfs) are not able to bear life as we know it. And around the solar system exists a 1000 light years big bubble - which was made from a series of super nova explosions - where nearly nothing exists. And we also know we don't see life in our own solar system (except on Earth).
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To those beings, we are the aliens. We exist.
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NASA's Gold Record
Godless atheists' earlier Big Lie was: "Gee, the universe is so big, God wouldn't waste all that effort, energy and material just for humans on earth."
After the Anthropic Principle demonstrated statistical proof of design in our many physical constants so finely tuned, godless atheists reversed their earlier lie and said, "We're just in one of an infinite number of universes, so there."
The stunning ignorance of this Multiverse Poppycock is that gravity, for example, ONLY WORKS if it has the singular value we observe. No other value is possible for any other "universe." The same is true for many other constants such as the coupling constant and, the electron-proton mass ratio.
Godless atheists' earlier Big Lie was: "Gee, the universe is so big, God wouldn't waste all that effort, energy and material just for humans on earth."
After the Anthropic Principle demonstrated statistical proof of design in our many physical constants so finely tuned, godless atheists reversed their earlier lie and said, "We're just in one of an infinite number of universes, so there."
The stunning ignorance of this Multiverse Poppycock is that gravity, for example, ONLY WORKS if it has the singular value we observe. No other value is possible for any other "universe." The same is true for many other constants such as the coupling constant and, the electron-proton mass ratio.
para bellum
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Well that is not what the Anthropic Principle means. It means that the answer to the "why" is not discoverable. IOW, if any of the fundamental constants were different, we would not be here to question them. Change the rest mass of an electron, or the planck length, or the speed of light, it is a fundamentally different universe with different laws of physics.
That is really metaphysics, not physics. M-Theory and cosmology in general because the hypotheses are not testable or disprovable.
M-Theory attempts to account for the weakness of gravity by theorizing that most of the force exists in an adjacent "brane". That may or may not be real, there is no way to check...
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Different universe, with different laws of physics.
Yeah, right. Which of the 54 different sexes have you chosen to be?
Fort Fun Indiana
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That's my point.
.you pretend to know the number is vanishingly small. You do not know this.
para bellum
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Well let me bring it down to a smaller scale.
If the earth had no water, we would not exist. No changes to the laws of physics needed.
In the earth with no water, there are no humans to question whether or not water is required tor life.
The AP basically says it's a pointless question. Water is needed for life- we know that because we are here. Take away the water, you take away the question.
It's a tautology. It's not really science to me because it's not testable. It's closer to philosophy.
It's not required- you can still have a coherent worldview without it, it's not part of the Standard Model.
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