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not true.Did we have a news media to broadcast any problem that may or may not have existed? Pedophilia didn't wait to make an appearance until after Pope Pius XII. It is a problem that most likely arrived with early mankind. We are still fighting it.
Shrug. Looks like to kjw47 St. John spoke of a literal 144,000 people.looks like it to me...
um... your post makes no senseYou said it. I was speaking of followers of our Lord, Jesus. Why the need to turn Our Lord into one of his own followers to illustrate His presence in Church? That is what makes no sense.
you are not addressing important points I bring upShrug. Looks like to kjw47 St. John spoke of a literal 144,000 people.
What it may look life quite often is not what is. More interesting, someone tells you it is what is, but you still insist it is because that is how you see it.
Correct, when it was all over the news media. Would you have heard of it had it not been for the broadcast media? By the way, I was in the news media at that time. You know what else the news media knew but chose to keep mum? Instances of pedophilia in public schools was much worse than in the Catholic Church, handled the exact same way...by moving teachers around because that is what the psychiatric community recommend be done.A lot of us had never heard of ONE case of pedophilia until, say.. 20 -30 years ago.
You make no point, let alone an "important" one. Worse, you cannot seem to make sense of something quite easy to understand.you are not addressing important points I bring up
Christ's Church extends far beyond any artificial denominational boundaries. When one seeks Christ, he/she does NOT seek a church, he/she seeks Christ, and He is found everywhere.no, it is NOT thatsimple. When Christ's Church is a mess, peole leaving right and left.. being taught heresy..
it matters a great deal. We are called not to save only ourselves but others.. and the Church .. the TRUE Catholic Church knows how to do that better than anyone. So anyone who does not look for this True Church is on a false path. Jesus did not establish a Church for NO reason.. Mt 16:18
The Church is important because Christ who founded it is all-important.
That is simply incorrect, by Jesus' own words. "No man comes to the Father but by me". NOT through an organization, NOT through a living person, NOT through a priest, only through Christ Himself. The thief on the cross needed no church, no priest, no pope, no catechisms, no baptism, no classes, no mass, nothing. He was able to walk into paradise and, when asked who let him in, simply point at Jesus and say, "He told me I could come in".No, all salvation comes through Christ's Church
That truth cannot change and never will. If someone finds Jesus, it is through the Catholic Church he finds it.. whether he gives credit or not
Protestants would not have Christ if not for the Original Church founded by Him.
Jesus wants everyone saved, therefore He wants everyone in His TRUE Church.. not the "churches" that claim to have Him but do not, or do not have ALL of what He wants for us
Yet the Catholic church keeps putting these non-popes in as Pope and giving them vast power and wealth. Therefore, the church itself is wrong and you're saying it's wrong. You're starting to sound a lot like the leaders of the Reformation who protested against the corruption of the CC. What's next for you, a list nailed to the door?So the latest on what I have learned in the last few days:
According to Novus Ordo Watch, which appears to be the most reliable source I have found so far, a pope cannot teach error in his official capacity as (human) head of the Church/Successor of St Peter. But Francis does. Therefore he is not pope.
Problem solved (although getting to Solved was a very interesting journey, most interesting I have taken in decades, or ever)
So
We have had NO pope since 1958
no other view makes sense
If Christ establishes an organization.. by God, we need to pay attention to itThat is simply incorrect, by Jesus' own words. "No man comes to the Father but by me". NOT through an organization,
looks like you are referring to the novus ordo Church, ie the francis churchYet the Catholic church keeps putting these non-popes in as Pope and giving them vast power and wealth. Therefore, the church itself is wrong and you're saying it's wrong. You're starting to sound a lot like the leaders of the Reformation who protested against the corruption of the CC. What's next for you, a list nailed to the door?
Christ didn't establish an organization, He opened up relationship between God and man. He said nothing, for example, about creating a pope, or cardinals, or bishops. That was done by man well after the fact, and His church crosses man-made denominational barriers.If Christ establishes an organization.. by God, we need to pay attention to it
The francis church is NOT Catholic and I am not a member
Well since the little flock and great crowd are the only ones getting saved. Who did Jesus promise this to=Matt 5:5, and the psalmist-37:29?Interesting interpretation, but not buying it...
Let me guess...you believe the meek will literally be given the planet Earth?Who did Jesus promise this to=Matt 5:5, and the psalmist-37:29?
not when it is worded poorly, that is for certain. I don't answer people unless I am certain I know what they are sayingYou make no point, let alone an "important" one. Worse, you cannot seem to make sense of something quite easy to understand.
so you are saying a Church is not an organization?Christ didn't establish an organization,
Or perhaps to re-read? In any case, it is hard to understand your bitterness and resentment over Vatican II and the Church today. Has the Church stopped practicing any of the Sacraments in which Jesus patterned his life and ministry? No, it has not. Has the Church changed any of Jesus' teachings? No, it has not. Has the Church turned away from Transubstantiation? No, it has not. From forgiveness of sins? No. From Christ as redeemer? No. Has it stopped reading from both the Old and New Testaments? No. Has it stopped Bible Study, educational classes, Catholic ministries and charities? No, it has not. Turned away from practicing any of the Beatitudes? No.guess it was not important enough to clarify
Yes, the new earth= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences. Transformed into an Eden(paradise)--Prov 2:21-22 assures the great crowd are going no where. Matt 24:22-shows they will be brought through the trib and Armageddon.Let me guess...you believe the meek will literally be given the planet Earth?
I'm saying Jesus founded His Church, then man added a whole bunch more on top of it to deal with the inevitable human problems. Deacons were appointed, for example, to care for the physical needs of the believers, but beyond that, there was no pope, there were no priests, no cardinals, none of that. In fact, the Church really didn't have much structure at all for quite some time.so you are saying a Church is not an organization?
Jesus founded a CHURCH (Mt 16:18).
Again, is a Church NOT an organization? You say Yes, it is and then say No it is not when you say that Christ did not found an organization!!!!!!!!!
contradictions galore!
[/QUOTE]Has the Church turned away from Transubstantiation?
[/QUOTE]Has it stopped reading from both the Old and New Testaments?
Oh, gee, no, that thoguht just never occurred to stupid little me..Further you claim you cannot feel Christ's Presence. Have you considered it is not the Sender's (Jesus) Presence that is faulty by the Receiver's (your) Receptors that are at fault?
