ACLU: Feds arresting Portland protesters in unmarked cars "unconstitutional"

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's not unconstitutional to enforce the law, brainlet.

But it's unconstitutional to violate the Constitution.

You have yet to prove anyone has violated the Constitution.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's unconstitutional.... it's a federal task force trump created to protect federal statues...in some of these instances.

They are out on the streets arresting g and shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets to the head of one guy, still in the hospital with fractured skull,

And are no where near a federal statue or federal building.... They are not given Miranda rights, not told what they are being arrested for, dragged off in unmarked rental cars, taken to federal buildings and not jails, and released when they mention the first word about them breaking their civil rights.... is what it said on the news.... And the city law enforcement and government do not know who they are, nor their rules of engagement etc....

So, what is the problem?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Well, they didn't identify as LEO, they were detaining with no probable cause, using unmarked civilian vehicles, etc. I see a ton of violations here.

Where do you see evidence of that? I see allegations, I don't see any actual evidence.

I will say that when the cops start taking their name tags off, then they're ready to go to the next level.
When the activists, and organizers are doxxing cops, then that's an escalation. I think it's a pretty good tactic myself, but they had to know the cops were going to respond accordingly and if they didn't, then they're about to get a hard lesson in ******* with people who ain't ******* around.

They were not cops.... that's the problem.

They are federal law enforcement officers. You are wrong, as per usual for a libtard!

 

[Nova78]

One can only hope the protesters get their brains beat with billy clubs.

 

[ReinyDays]

Damaging a federal building is not federal specific?

What was the articulable suspicion this individual was responsible for this specific crime ... I didn't write the 5th Amendment, and I've never served on SCOTUS ... so don't yell at me ... but there are laws and rules restricting when LEO can detain someone ...

I know it's safer for them to drag someone off and figure out who they are behind locked doors ... but it's still illegal ... and cowardly if you ask me ... police are supposed to be against chaining a man to the ground and murdering him in cold blood ... just who's side are the Federales on anyway? ...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Damaging a federal building is not federal specific?

What was the articulable suspicion this individual was responsible for this specific crime ... I didn't write the 5th Amendment, and I've never served on SCOTUS ... so don't yell at me ... but there are laws and rules restricting when LEO can detain someone ...

I know it's safer for them to drag someone off and figure out who they are behind locked doors ... but it's still illegal ... and cowardly if you ask me ... police are supposed to be against chaining a man to the ground and murdering him in cold blood ... just who's side are the Federales on anyway? ...

Bullshit! Sue your law school because they told you wrong!

 

[dudmuck]

One can only hope the protesters get their brains beat with billy clubs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One can only hope the protesters get their brains beat with billy clubs.

BUT MUH FREEDOMS crowd rioting, burning and looting? DURR

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

One can only hope the protesters get their brains beat with billy clubs.

Trying to give somebody healthcare and forcing them to take it are two different things. People who attend these protests and civil unrests do so for the explicit intent on causing some sort of trouble, and only then did government respond. That didn't happen with Commie Care.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Damaging a federal building is not federal specific?

What was the articulable suspicion this individual was responsible for this specific crime ... I didn't write the 5th Amendment, and I've never served on SCOTUS ... so don't yell at me ... but there are laws and rules restricting when LEO can detain someone ...

I know it's safer for them to drag someone off and figure out who they are behind locked doors ... but it's still illegal ... and cowardly if you ask me ... police are supposed to be against chaining a man to the ground and murdering him in cold blood ... just who's side are the Federales on anyway? ...

You take them to get them away from the crowd as to not escalate a already bad situation. It's hard for an officer to get any information with people screaming, yelling, and making threats.

In a different scenario, a cop is trying to interview a person he can't hear the answers from, and some lowlife throws a rock or bottle and hits the suspect in the head instead of the officer. That officer is responsible for the safety of anybody in his or her custody. Or perhaps they realize they have the right person who committed X crime. They start to arrest him, he becomes combative, and the crowd attacks the officers in effort to help their fellow lowlife.

If you take a suspect away from those possibilities, it's the safest for our authorities as well as innocent or guilty civilians.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

One can only hope the protesters get their brains beat with billy clubs.

If we could do that, there would be no more riots in the country.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

If they were suspected of a crime they wouldn't just get released a few hours later.

So....they arrest them.....and the Feds are bad.....they release them after processing them....the feds are bad....

You left wing assholes need to really get your stories straight.

You Cult45 fascist pricks should learn about the law instead of getting your talking points from talk radio. DEFUND TALK RADIO

Right wing talk radio is not funded, they sell advertising. Left wing talk is funded by taxpayers like PBS and NPR.

I'm sickened and disgusted by the far right radical extremists here on this thread. They show another one of their "beliefs" is like all their other "beliefs." Nothing but a bunch of BS.

Their belief is hate. They love to hate.

All they know is hate for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

In fairness, I believe it's simply Cult45 herd mentality from the *pResident down. Constant brain washing and feeding of talking points from talk radio and right wing rags like OANN. These talking points are usually word for word.

The lens of reality is being suppressed by these people. The hate is a side effect of willful ignorance. You are either believe this or you are automatically disparaged as this. No critical thought required. Stockholm syndrome for the poorly informed.

A small minority of radicals (many on this forum) in one political tribe believe they represent the interests of an entire political party. Another small minority of radicals from the other political tribe believes the same. Both minorities broad brush the two political parties in the same ways and the hate multiplies.

It's all fantasy. Ironically, many from both tribes don't even vote.

You might want to take a step back and spend a moment “imagining” a scenario where it’s not quite what you think....
Imagine a scenario where instead of Trump taking advantage of large numbers of people... A scenario where large numbers of people are taking advantage of Trump, and the massive hole he’s blown in the lefts bulwark. Pushing Trump ever forward, taking every inch of ground he’s useful for. Until he’s outlived his usefulness. The truth is most of you reactionary snowflakes have the whole situation ass backwards. And being that your incapable of considering that those who do your thinking for you are wrong... you’re in for some rather exciting, and tough times ahead.
And if you were given a moment of reflection before the lights go out; you’d realize that “they“ told you your final realization outright, all along. You’ll likely die wishing you had done your own thinking....

Or perhaps you are the one that has it completely backwards. You Cult45 scumbags seem to have everything backwards. While there has been some violence from some elements claiming to be a part of BLM movement, they are a tiny fringe of the Democratic party. White Supremacists are likely more violent and they are co-opting LE, military and anti-facist movements in order to do so. But uh, no you don't wanna bleev that. That's fake news. Because it would make you have to face the fact that these animals are a part of your tribe, and you refuse to take accountability for them. Own up to your own tribe's racist, dirt bag ways or go pound sand. If you voted for this, I give your opinions zero credence, so don't bother.

The fact that the criminally corrupt, traitorous Orange sack of shit sitting in the WH promotes said white nationalism via the people he attacks and aligns with (White Nationals) is all sane Americans need to push, and push and push some more until he's a bad memory. You are already a part of that equation. I don't give a **** whether you like it or not. Those who do your thinking for you are talk radio and right wing editorial personalities that don't possess the common sense of a goat. Just like you. And hopefully, once the Orange Virus is in a matching orange jumpsuit, he will be treated the way America is supposed to treat the treasonous.

Your utopia of a pure white, X-tian gawd fearing America run by a 1% entrepreneur class will never succeed. And when it doesn't, your dreams of a civil/race war are pipe dreams as well. Better get used to it. Or don't. IDGAF. Cult45 are pretty simple animals anyway.

 

[ReinyDays]

You take them to get them away from the crowd as to not escalate a already bad situation. It's hard for an officer to get any information with people screaming, yelling, and making threats.

In a different scenario, a cop is trying to interview a person he can't hear the answers from, and some lowlife throws a rock or bottle and hits the suspect in the head instead of the officer. That officer is responsible for the safety of anybody in his or her custody. Or perhaps they realize they have the right person who committed X crime. They start to arrest him, he becomes combative, and the crowd attacks the officers in effort to help their fellow lowlife.

If you take a suspect away from those possibilities, it's the safest for our authorities as well as innocent or guilty civilians.

But that's not what the Constitution says ...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

You're preaching to the choir ... these filthy Constitutional rights handcuff gestapo's police just trying to their work ... in this case, the Federales just had to let it go, try and find the guy without all the commotion going on around them ... we're not talking a violent felony here, just a little spray paint "Yankee go home" ... don't the Federales have actual terrorists to find and catch? ...

You can list all the justifications here you want to ... I've heard them, I've spoken them all ... but MY congressman just laughs, reminds me there's no way Congress can get either house to vote 2/3's on anything ... so for now LEO has to follow the Constitution ... the document they're sworn to uphold ...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You take them to get them away from the crowd as to not escalate a already bad situation. It's hard for an officer to get any information with people screaming, yelling, and making threats.

In a different scenario, a cop is trying to interview a person he can't hear the answers from, and some lowlife throws a rock or bottle and hits the suspect in the head instead of the officer. That officer is responsible for the safety of anybody in his or her custody. Or perhaps they realize they have the right person who committed X crime. They start to arrest him, he becomes combative, and the crowd attacks the officers in effort to help their fellow lowlife.

If you take a suspect away from those possibilities, it's the safest for our authorities as well as innocent or guilty civilians.

But that's not what the Constitution says ...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

You're preaching to the choir ... these filthy Constitutional rights handcuff gestapo's police just trying to their work ... in this case, the Federales just had to let it go, try and find the guy without all the commotion going on around them ... we're not talking a violent felony here, just a little spray paint "Yankee go home" ... don't the Federales have actual terrorists to find and catch? ...

You can list all the justifications here you want to ... I've heard them, I've spoken them all ... but MY congressman just laughs, reminds me there's no way Congress can get either house to vote 2/3's on anything ... so for now LEO has to follow the Constitution ... the document they're sworn to uphold ...

As a retired truck driver I can't tell you how much BS that is. We would get pulled over simply to get checked out; no traffic violations.

When they pulled us over, they'd check our paperwork, do a complete safety check on the vehicle, have us assist them in the inspection. They would look into the trailer, under the trailer, and a few times under the hood of my tractor. They even have the legal authority to search my tractor, although that never happened to me, however they did look for my fire extinguisher to make sure it wasn't expired. If they feel like, make you give a urine sample for random drug testing.

A friend of mine is an avid fisherman in the summer. He too had tales of the Coast Guard pulling up to his boat, jumping in uninvited, checking their fishing licenses, making sure their catch was not over the legal limit, checking for alcohol or drugs on the boat. If caught, they confiscate the boat and everything in it.

The point is there are exceptions to every rule. If ever taken to court, it's up to the judges to rule if your rights were violated or not. I'm sure these fed agents knew exactly what they were and were not allowed to do.

 

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You're mixed up, Qdog. Democrats are the ones who declare arrests without proof. That's because they're Marxists who want to silence dissent. Democrats are communist scumbags.

Exactly,the republicans are corrupt as well but the democrats have been infiltrated and are worse than the republicans now,up,until recent years,they were not corrupt to the extremes they are now.the republicans were worse,not so now though.the dems are the ones that want to destroy America and kill americans

 

[martybegan]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

 

[boedicca]

The ACLU ceased having any expertise on The Constitution ages ago. It's now just a race-baiting shakedown operation.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

 

[martybegan]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.