ACLU: Feds arresting Portland protesters in unmarked cars "unconstitutional"

[freyasman]

If they were suspected of a crime they wouldn't just get released a few hours later.

So....they arrest them.....and the Feds are bad.....they release them after processing them....the feds are bad....

You left wing assholes need to really get your stories straight.

You Cult45 fascist pricks should learn about the law instead of getting your talking points from talk radio. DEFUND TALK RADIO

Right wing talk radio is not funded, they sell advertising. Left wing talk is funded by taxpayers like PBS and NPR.

I'm sickened and disgusted by the far right radical extremists here on this thread. They show another one of their "beliefs" is like all their other "beliefs." Nothing but a bunch of BS.

Their belief is hate. They love to hate.

All they know is hate for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

In fairness, I believe it's simply Cult45 herd mentality from the *pResident down. Constant brain washing and feeding of talking points from talk radio and right wing rags like OANN. These talking points are usually word for word.

The lens of reality is being suppressed by these people. The hate is a side effect of willful ignorance. You are either believe this or you are automatically disparaged as this. No critical thought required. Stockholm syndrome for the poorly informed.

A small minority of radicals (many on this forum) in one political tribe believe they represent the interests of an entire political party. Another small minority of radicals from the other political tribe believes the same. Both minorities broad brush the two political parties in the same ways and the hate multiplies.

It's all fantasy. Ironically, many from both tribes don't even vote.

You might want to take a step back and spend a moment “imagining” a scenario where it’s not quite what you think....
Imagine a scenario where instead of Trump taking advantage of large numbers of people... A scenario where large numbers of people are taking advantage of Trump, and the massive hole he’s blown in the lefts bulwark. Pushing Trump ever forward, taking every inch of ground he’s useful for. Until he’s outlived his usefulness. The truth is most of you reactionary snowflakes have the whole situation ass backwards. And being that your incapable of considering that those who do your thinking for you are wrong... you’re in for some rather exciting, and tough times ahead.
And if you were given a moment of reflection before the lights go out; you’d realize that “they“ told you your final realization outright, all along. You’ll likely die wishing you had done your own thinking....

Or perhaps you are the one that has it completely backwards. You Cult45 scumbags seem to have everything backwards. While there has been some violence from some elements claiming to be a part of BLM movement, they are a tiny fringe of the Democratic party. White Supremacists are likely more violent and they are co-opting LE, military and anti-facist movements in order to do so. But uh, no you don't wanna bleev that. That's fake news. Because it would make you have to face the fact that these animals are a part of your tribe, and you refuse to take accountability for them. Own up to your own tribe's racist, dirt bag ways or go pound sand. If you voted for this, I give your opinions zero credence, so don't bother.

The fact that the criminally corrupt, traitorous Orange sack of shit sitting in the WH promotes said white nationalism via the people he attacks and aligns with (White Nationals) is all sane Americans need to push, and push and push some more until he's a bad memory. You are already a part of that equation. I don't give a **** whether you like it or not. Those who do your thinking for you are talk radio and right wing editorial personalities that don't possess the common sense of a goat. Just like you. And hopefully, once the Orange Virus is in a matching orange jumpsuit, he will be treated the way America is supposed to treat the treasonous.

Your utopia of a pure white, X-tian gawd fearing America run by a 1% entrepreneur class will never succeed. And when it doesn't, your dreams of a civil/race war are pipe dreams as well. Better get used to it. Or don't. IDGAF. Cult45 are pretty simple animals anyway.

If Trump suppoters actually were white supremacists, and if even a fraction of them were as willing to use violence as you claim they are, why aren't the rioters being gunned down left and right from every window and rooftop?

Proof is in the pudding (or in the body count)……. if even a 10th of Trump supporters were what you accuse them of being, all of ya'll would be long dead.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

If Trump suppoters actually were white supremacists, and if even a fraction of them were as willing to use violence as you claim they are, why aren't the rioters being gunned down left and right from every window and rooftop?

Because, like the regressive left, they are too big of pussies to carry out their nonsense utopian white will. They know if they try the tyranny angle, well, people like me, who have been shooting firearms since pretty much birth, and were taught to appreciate our constitutional rights, will quickly put them in the ground. I don't like tyranny. For any political reason.

 

[martybegan]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about. I'm an advocate of our constitutional rights, and that kind of 'enforcement' is complete politically motivated bullshit to me.

 

[freyasman]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about.

You got 2 choices, you either fight this in court or you gun them down when they come for you.

Talking it to death on a political forum is gonna do shit.

Figure out what you want to do and do it already.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about.

You got 2 choices, you either fight this in court or you gun them down when they come for you.

Talking it to death on a political forum is gonna do shit.

Figure out what you want to do and do it already.

I already have all my ducks in a row. I have absolutely no need for your input. I am someone who reacts. I don't attack.

 

[freyasman]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about.

You got 2 choices, you either fight this in court or you gun them down when they come for you.

Talking it to death on a political forum is gonna do shit.

Figure out what you want to do and do it already.

I already have all my ducks in a row. I have absolutely no need for your input. I am someone who reacts. I don't attack.

Get used to losing then, because action beats reaction every day of the week.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about.

You got 2 choices, you either fight this in court or you gun them down when they come for you.

Talking it to death on a political forum is gonna do shit.

Figure out what you want to do and do it already.

I already have all my ducks in a row. I have absolutely no need for your input. I am someone who reacts. I don't attack.

Get used to losing then, because action beats reaction every day of the week.

Yep. You think so, but only the strong survive. I feel I have limitless strength through my family, friends and ideology. Get used to your expectations being crushed in November.

 

[Calypso Jones]

StHU


Insurrection Act of 1807
United States law
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.

 

[Nova78]

These thugs need their asses beat until they cry for mercy, and then one more boot kick in the face for good measure.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about. I'm an advocate of our constitutional rights, and that kind of 'enforcement' is complete politically motivated bullshit to me.

We keep asking but you don't provide. Where are these civil rights listed where authority or their vehicles have to be plainly marked? And how do you know they didn't identify themselves to the people they took away? How do you know they never presented an ID when asked? Do you really trust the word of anarchists?

Another question: Do you mean to tell me you and your ilk would have no problem with what they did if they had government license plates and the name of their agency on their attire?

Be honest for once. None of these things are a problem for you. The problem that you actually have is the President sent them there in the first place. That's your problem with all this.

 

[BertramN]

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ACLU Fights For Return To Constitutional Law In Portland, OR

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Oregon sued the Trump administration late Friday over its deployment of federal agents to Portland, where unidentified officials from the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Marshals Service have been detaining Black Lives Matter protesters without explanation and using indiscriminate force to crush demonstrations.

"This is a fight to save our democracy," Kelly Simon, interim legal director with the ACLU of Oregon, said in a statement. "Under the direction of the Trump administration, federal agents are terrorizing the community, risking lives, and brutally attacking protesters demonstrating against police brutality. This is police escalation on top of police escalation."

"These federal agents must be stopped and removed from our city," Simon added. "We will continue to bring the full fire power of the ACLU to bear until this lawless policing ends."

The lawsuit against DHS and the U.S. Marshals Service - filed on behalf of legal observers and journalists who were recently assaulted by federal agents in Portland - aims to block federal law enforcement from dispersing, arresting, threatening to arrest, or using physical force against journalists or legal observers. One of the plaintiffs, freelance photographer Matthew Lewis-Rolland, was shot in the back ten times with impact munitions during a recent demonstration.

The ACLU said the suit is "one of many" it plans to file against the impeached president trump’s administration over its deployment of federal agents to Portland against the wishes of state and local political leaders, who have demanded the withdrawal of all federal law enforcement.

Federal officers have reportedly been patrolling Portland in unmarked vehicles and arresting demonstrators since at least July 14.

Vera Eidelman, staff attorney with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, said, "what is happening in Portland is an unconstitutional nightmare."

"This is not law and order. This is lawlessness," said Eidelman. "The ACLU will not let the government respond to protests against police brutality with still more brutality. We will continue to hold law enforcement at all levels of government accountable, just as we have nationwide."

ACLU files lawsuit over federal agents in Portland




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[freyasman]

You don't condemn the violence, you either ignore it or try to justify it.

I've condemned it. More BS from you.

Half ass condemnations at best.

tearing down a statue is violence, stopping a person from driving where they want to is violence.

Tearing down a statue is vandalism. The second one? I'll need more context. If they're pulling a driver out of their car and beating the shit out of them? Then yes, that's violence. Gimme more info.

What info do you need? when you surround a persons car and stop them from going where they want to go, you are implying force, no matter how passive you may seem.

Correct. WTF would make you believe I support something like that? Are you mental? I'm a normal, hard working person. No, sorry, I don't condone that.

Then why do you disagree with federal officers going in to enforce the law when State/local level governments refuse to do so?

Because of how they enforced it. Feds plucking random citizens off the street without properly identifying themselves and taking them to gawd knows where federal building in unmarked, civilian vehicles for processing seems to me to be a blatant infringement of basic civil rights. Jeezus dude, you really don't see a problem with that? Has your partisanship clouded your mind that much? If so, we don't have anything further to talk about.

You got 2 choices, you either fight this in court or you gun them down when they come for you.

Talking it to death on a political forum is gonna do shit.

Figure out what you want to do and do it already.

I already have all my ducks in a row. I have absolutely no need for your input. I am someone who reacts. I don't attack.

Get used to losing then, because action beats reaction every day of the week.

Yep. You think so, but only the strong survive. I feel I have limitless strength through my family, friends and ideology. Get used to your expectations being crushed in November.

My only expectation is that things will change. They always do.

Every people believe their place and time on earth is god given and forever, and every one of them is wrong.

 

[freyasman]

These thugs need their asses beat until they cry for mercy, and then one more boot kick in the face for good measure.

True, but I'd rather it not be the cops doing it.

 

[busybee01]

The mayor does have the right to do so, The federal building does not occupy the whole city. There is no excuse for this. Biden should have every jack booted federal thug fired hen he takes over. Then federal charges should be filed against these federal thugs.

They were only there to protect the federal building, or go after those who tried to compromise it and ran away.

As always, your MSM only tells you half of the story; the part that gets you commies all worked up in a lather.

That is the fascist pig line. They were dressed in para-militarym clothing. They clearly were there to cause trouble by assaulting American citizens.

 

[busybee01]

It's not unconstitutional to enforce the law, brainlet.

But it's unconstitutional to violate the Constitution.

Trump is the one who has violated the Constitution numerous times.

 

[busybee01]

So they can arrest people in Montana?

Attacking a federal building is a felony....there isn't a jurisdictional limit for a federal crime.

That is the party line. This is no different than what happened in Washington.

 

[busybee01]

If they were suspected of a crime they wouldn't just get released a few hours later.

So....they arrest them.....and the Feds are bad.....they release them after processing them....the feds are bad....

You left wing assholes need to really get your stories straight.

You right wing assholes are the ones who are lying. This was a excuse to terrorize American citizens.

 

[busybee01]

What we have is jack booted thugs acting violently. Trump has finally turned this into the new Nazi Germany. This pretty much finishes Trump and that is the only good thing about it.

It never ceases to amaze me how you leftists bend ass over tea kettle to defend lawlessness. I sincerely hope the mob shows up in your neighborhood and burns your house to the ground. If and when they do, don't you DARE call the "jack booted thugs" to come save your sorry ass.

It never amazes me how far you rightwing Nazis will go against the so-called leftists. What happened in Portland was right wintg violence against American citizens. The same as what happened in Wahington DC when protestors were attacked by more federal jack booted thugs. To you lawlessness is when your political opponents do something you don't like.