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Well, we did attack Nagasaki with a terrible weapon. Whether the second nuclear attack on Japan was justified is the question.
My uncle was on Iwo Jima waiting to invade...........he said they were gonna lose a lot of people.Here’s more truth, but the dumb American statists can’t comprehend it.They did not invade the US. They attacked the US and left. The US invaded Japan.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.
Battle of the Aleutian Islands
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The diversion for Midway...........U.S. LAND..................but we sunk 4 of their carriers.......good trade....
My Father and Father N law fought them.........Father n law was at Pearl Harbor.......watched his friends die there........
so............in that era......fuck Japan........I was stationed there once.....they are no longer like that.
During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.
“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”
The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.
The US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.
Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Harry Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
Another Hiroshima Is Coming, Unless We Stop It Now - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
BINGO
Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.
They declared War......and also hit us in the Phillipines.........Hardly a negotiation.....Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.
Uh, he said that Japan attacked the U.S. but then departed and that the U.S. invaded Japan, which happens to be true. Japan had no intention of ever invading America. Japan hoped that the Pearl Harbor attack would cause the U.S. to make some kind of non-aggression pact with Japan so that the U.S. would unfreeze Japanese assets and stop sending aid to the Chinese Nationalists.
Had they surrendered yet.............OH WELL.........too fucking bad for themLol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?None of them claimed that Japan quit fighting. That is what you cannot comprehend. The difference between the end of war and being close to the end of a war. Sorry, but nobody made the claim that Japan had surrendered. Nobody claimed Japan was harmless. Nobody claimed japan was not killing thousands. Yes, we knew eventually Japan would have to surrender. Or as you state, "done", Done was not here, before the bombs dropped.Yet nearly all the leading US military leaders stated Japan was done, before Dirty Harry’s war crime. Were they all lying?
Yes, your problem is you used google as a source and then at that, you quoted information that is a flat out lie. If you can actually do better than a google search, go ahead. I know you cant otherwise you already would of posted something other than a google searched quote that is proven a lie. Seriously, the Air Force. There was no Air Force in 1945. Go read a book of someone that was there.Lol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?
And the sad jipper replies, "they were trying for a year and they said the would.Had they surrendered yet.............OH WELL.........too fucking bad for themLol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?None of them claimed that Japan quit fighting. That is what you cannot comprehend. The difference between the end of war and being close to the end of a war. Sorry, but nobody made the claim that Japan had surrendered. Nobody claimed Japan was harmless. Nobody claimed japan was not killing thousands. Yes, we knew eventually Japan would have to surrender. Or as you state, "done", Done was not here, before the bombs dropped.Yet nearly all the leading US military leaders stated Japan was done, before Dirty Harry’s war crime. Were they all lying?
That is the problem with cretins like them; they never realize that they are ever wrong about ANYTHING.
The FACT that we were still at WAR is all the justification we need.Well, we did attack Nagasaki with a terrible weapon. Whether the second nuclear attack on Japan was justified is the question.
Means nothing. All those men who died on Iwo, died for nothing.My uncle was on Iwo Jima waiting to invade...........he said they were gonna lose a lot of people.Here’s more truth, but the dumb American statists can’t comprehend it.They did not invade the US. They attacked the US and left. The US invaded Japan.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.Battle of the Aleutian Islands
The diversion for Midway...........U.S. LAND..................but we sunk 4 of their carriers.......good trade....
My Father and Father N law fought them.........Father n law was at Pearl Harbor.......watched his friends die there........
so............in that era......fuck Japan........I was stationed there once.....they are no longer like that.
During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.
“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”
The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.
The US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.
Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Harry Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
Another Hiroshima Is Coming, Unless We Stop It Now - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
BINGO
He was there.......I think I'll take his word for it.............Him.........my father.......father n law never really cared that they dropped the bomb.........Uncle said he'd have probably died if we invaded.
No, I did not dick lips.You claimed Japan did NOT FIRST Invade the US MORON, we responded to attacks and INVASION.Yes. The US invaded Japan. You don’t know this? Really?NO you said that the US Invaded Japan what EXACTLY does that have to do with the attack On Pearl Harbor? Japan Invaded Guam Wake and the Philippines all US Territories your ignorant claim they did not invade us is just that IGNORANT. Now you try and walk it back, sorry dude you specifically said the US Invaded Japan and the Japanese did not invade the US.Lol. We were debating Pearl Harbor, dip shit.noticed you did not answer after your ignorant claim Japan did not invade the US in WW2. You coward.Here’s more truth, but the dumb American statists can’t comprehend it.They did not invade the US. They attacked the US and left. The US invaded Japan.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.Battle of the Aleutian Islands
The diversion for Midway...........U.S. LAND..................but we sunk 4 of their carriers.......good trade....
My Father and Father N law fought them.........Father n law was at Pearl Harbor.......watched his friends die there........
so............in that era......fuck Japan........I was stationed there once.....they are no longer like that.
During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.
“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”
The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.
The US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.
Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Harry Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
Another Hiroshima Is Coming, Unless We Stop It Now - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
BINGO
You have no clue. I’ve been posting the truth about the a-bombs on this board for 10 years. Dip shit.Yes, your problem is you used google as a source and then at that, you quoted information that is a flat out lie. If you can actually do better than a google search, go ahead. I know you cant otherwise you already would of posted something other than a google searched quote that is proven a lie. Seriously, the Air Force. There was no Air Force in 1945. Go read a book of someone that was there.Lol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?
They died killing a country that attacked our country........Means nothing. All those men who died on Iwo, died for nothing.My uncle was on Iwo Jima waiting to invade...........he said they were gonna lose a lot of people.Here’s more truth, but the dumb American statists can’t comprehend it.They did not invade the US. They attacked the US and left. The US invaded Japan.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.Battle of the Aleutian Islands
The diversion for Midway...........U.S. LAND..................but we sunk 4 of their carriers.......good trade....
My Father and Father N law fought them.........Father n law was at Pearl Harbor.......watched his friends die there........
so............in that era......fuck Japan........I was stationed there once.....they are no longer like that.
During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.
“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”
The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.
The US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.
Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Harry Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
Another Hiroshima Is Coming, Unless We Stop It Now - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
BINGO
He was there.......I think I'll take his word for it.............Him.........my father.......father n law never really cared that they dropped the bomb.........Uncle said he'd have probably died if we invaded.
No you have not, YOU claimed Japan never invaded the US, YOU have NEVER once linked to an actual offer by the ACTUAL Government of Japan to surrender.You have no clue. I’ve been posting the truth about the a-bombs on this board for 10 years. Dip shit.Yes, your problem is you used google as a source and then at that, you quoted information that is a flat out lie. If you can actually do better than a google search, go ahead. I know you cant otherwise you already would of posted something other than a google searched quote that is proven a lie. Seriously, the Air Force. There was no Air Force in 1945. Go read a book of someone that was there.Lol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?
Ask the dumb grunt. He knows. I’ve been educating that idiot for a decade now.
How many ships and subs were sunk in august? At least 2.
How many Americans died in august alone, well over a 1000.
www.ussindianapolis.com
Pretty self explanatory,why this is so complicated for people not to grasp is baffling and unreal.Lol. They all stated the bomb wasn’t necessary for surrender. Do you understand what this means?None of them claimed that Japan quit fighting. That is what you cannot comprehend. The difference between the end of war and being close to the end of a war. Sorry, but nobody made the claim that Japan had surrendered. Nobody claimed Japan was harmless. Nobody claimed japan was not killing thousands. Yes, we knew eventually Japan would have to surrender. Or as you state, "done", Done was not here, before the bombs dropped.Yet nearly all the leading US military leaders stated Japan was done, before Dirty Harry’s war crime. Were they all lying?
Incredible people here keep ignoring this you posted,some like that army troll guy on.y sees what he wants to see though,that’s always how he has debated.Here’s more truth, but the dumb American statists can’t comprehend it.They did not invade the US. They attacked the US and left. The US invaded Japan.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.Battle of the Aleutian Islands
The diversion for Midway...........U.S. LAND..................but we sunk 4 of their carriers.......good trade....
My Father and Father N law fought them.........Father n law was at Pearl Harbor.......watched his friends die there........
so............in that era......fuck Japan........I was stationed there once.....they are no longer like that.
During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.
“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”
The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.
The US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.
Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”
The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Harry Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
Another Hiroshima Is Coming, Unless We Stop It Now - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
BINGO
You DO realise you just described the retired sargent down to a tee don’t you. Lol. Comedy goldThat is the problem with cretins like them; they never realize that they are ever wrong about ANYTHING.
The dude only sees what he WANTS to see when he goes into a debate,,you would have better luck trying to reason with a child about these facts than you ever would with this clown.Lol comedy gold.Did you NOT claim the US invaded Japan but that Japan did not invade the US?Dumb. I never stated what you doofuses claim.According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan. Check out the thread the nuking of Nagasaki where both make the claim at the end of the thread.
I might surprise both those critters to discover they were both wrong.
gipper Unkotare
Territory of Hawaii - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Hawaii
The Territory of Hawaii or Hawaii Territory was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from April 30, 1900 until August 21, 1959, when most of its territory, excluding Palmyra Island, was admitted to the Union as the fiftieth U.S. state, the State of Hawaii.
Uh, he said that Japan attacked the U.S. but then departed and that the U.S. invaded Japan, which happens to be true. Japan had no intention of ever invading America. Japan hoped that the Pearl Harbor attack would cause the U.S. to make some kind of non-aggression pact with Japan so that the U.S. would unfreeze Japanese assets and stop sending aid to the Chinese Nationalists.
