Abraham Lincoln: Alternative History?

[Bezukhov]

Wow, buddy, you claimed it wasn't about slavery.... I cited historical records of Southern Leaders proclaiming it was about slavery AT THE TIME.

You lose, buddy.

The latest "Lost Cause" myth is that those secession documents were changed. The originals said they were seceding so they could free their slaves, allow them run for public office and let them marry their sons and daughters. But those evil Yankees wouldn't let them. Later Doc Brown and Marty went back in time with their Delorean and switched the originals with ones we have now, just to make the South look bad.

 

[bripat9643]

The latest "Lost Cause" myth is that those secession documents were changed. The originals said they were seceding so they could free their slaves, allow them run for public office and let them marry their sons and daughters. But those evil Yankees wouldn't let them. Later Doc Brown and Marty went back in time with their Delorean and switched the originals with ones we have now, just to make the South look bad.

That sounds like something you just made up. Of course, everything you post sounds like you just made it up.

 

[DudleySmith]

Wow, buddy, you claimed it wasn't about slavery.... I cited historical records of Southern Leaders proclaiming it was about slavery AT THE TIME.

You lose, buddy.

And I cited Lincoln himself, as did others here, dumbass, and you're just too dishonest to admit you got your ass handed to you yet again. That's because you have nothing but lies to parrot in all your posts, like all the other Democrats. Lincoln freed as many slaves as you have: zero.

 

[DudleySmith]

The latest "Lost Cause" myth is that those secession documents were changed. The originals said they were seceding so they could free their slaves, allow them run for public office and let them marry their sons and daughters. But those evil Yankees wouldn't let them. Later Doc Brown and Marty went back in time with their Delorean and switched the originals with ones we have now, just to make the South look bad.

Ah, having nothing at all, it's time to trot out the strawmen. Typical pattern.

 

[Bezukhov]

And I cited Lincoln himself, as did others here, dumbass, and you're just too dishonest to admit you got your ass handed to you yet again. That's because you have nothing but lies to parrot in all your posts, like all the other Democrats. Lincoln freed as many slaves as you have: zero.

So these are all lies? Why would they lie about the reasons they wanted to secede? Who were they trying to bullshit?

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

The Declaration of Causes made by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas.

www.battlefields.org

 

[DudleySmith]

So these are all lies? Why would they lie about the reasons they wanted to secede? Who were they trying to bullshit?

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

The Declaration of Causes made by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas.

www.battlefields.org

lol you're just being stupid. Nobody here is 'defending slavery n stuff', moron.

 

[DudleySmith]

Then he freed the slaves.

lol he didn't even free the slaves in northern slave states. He certainly didn't free any slaves in the southern states he 'liberated', he forced them back onto plantations and into 'contraband camps', where probably a million or so died from starvation and disease.

 

[JoeB131]

The latest "Lost Cause" myth is that those secession documents were changed. The originals said they were seceding so they could free their slaves, allow them run for public office and let them marry their sons and daughters. But those evil Yankees wouldn't let them. Later Doc Brown and Marty went back in time with their Delorean and switched the originals with ones we have now, just to make the South look bad.

I thought it was Doctor Who and her magic phone booth!

 

[JoeB131]

And I cited Lincoln himself, as did others here, dumbass, and you're just too dishonest to admit you got your ass handed to you yet again. That's because you have nothing but lies to parrot in all your posts, like all the other Democrats. Lincoln freed as many slaves as you have: zero.

It doesn't matter what Lincoln said or didn't say... he wasn't the one who seceded. The south did secede, and they stated straight up in their declarations of secession that they were doing so because they wanted to preserve slavery and keep the negro in his place.

ol he didn't even free the slaves in northern slave states. He certainly didn't free any slaves in the southern states he 'liberated', he forced them back onto plantations and into 'contraband camps', where probably a million or so died from starvation and disease.

Now you are just making shit up....

Contraband (American Civil War) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Joe has, he's a regular, which is why he thinks everybody else has been there.

Nope, never have been. But man, sometimes USMB feels like Stormfront Lite.

 

[TNHarley]

Then he freed the slaves.

no he didnt

 

[Zincwarrior]

no he didnt

Now you're just being ignorant.
1. Emancipation Proclamation
2. Lincoln pushed for and then approved joint resolution sending 13th Amendment to the states, which was ratified post death.

 

[TNHarley]

Now you're just being ignorant.
1. Emancipation Proclamation
2. Lincoln pushed for and then approved joint resolution sending 13th Amendment to the states, which was ratified post death.

The EP was just political theater for England.
Presidents have nothing to do with passing constitutional amendments.
Try reading a book.

 

[whoisit]

Since 99% of Americans don't know their history ,these subjects are just talking points on what they are told.

 

[basquebromance]

Jefferson “is one of my favorite presidents,” AOC said. But Lincoln is my “all-time bae, for sure.”

 

[Mushroom]

Within 20 years of the end of the Civil War, slavery had been abolished in the Western Hemisphere and most of the rest of the world. Could not an accommodation with Virginia have been reached?

Tell that to Virginia.

The simple fact is, the South wanted the war. 7 of the states seceded even before Lincoln was President. And the new Confederate President called up 100,000 soldiers to fight for the south, and lay siege to Fort Sumter. In response to that President Lincoln also made a call for volunteers. By that time Virginia had voted against secession.

However, then the infamous second vote of April 1861 happened, where the decision to pass it to the people to decide was made. And in what is often considered one of the most corrupt elections in history the vote passed and Virginia left. And the vote was so contested that much of the northern part of the state themselves seceded and became West Virginia.

But Virginia asked for no accommodation, the warhawks wanted a war and they got their war. And remember, that they followed 7 states that did not even wait for Lincoln to be sworn in before pulling out.

 

[Jets]

Fascinating tidbit about President Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation.

It did not free all the slaves….

 

[Mushroom]

Fascinating tidbit about President Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation.

It did not free all the slaves….

That should be obvious to any that actually know history.

That was a war act, that was only against the states in rebellion. It did not affect states that were not in rebellion (Delaware, Missouri Kentucky, Maryland), nor the states that were already occupied like New Orleans, and half of Louisiana and Tennessee.

Most people have a really bad idea of what the war really was.

 

[Jets]

That should be obvious to any that actually know history.

That was a war act, that was only against the states in rebellion. It did not affect states that were not in rebellion (Delaware, Missouri Kentucky, Maryland), nor the states that were already occupied like New Orleans, and half of Louisiana and Tennessee.

Most people have a really bad idea of what the war really was.

No argument from me.

 

[bripat9643]

Tell that to Virginia.

The simple fact is, the South wanted the war. 7 of the states seceded even before Lincoln was President. And the new Confederate President called up 100,000 soldiers to fight for the south, and lay siege to Fort Sumter. In response to that President Lincoln also made a call for volunteers. By that time Virginia had voted against secession.

However, then the infamous second vote of April 1861 happened, where the decision to pass it to the people to decide was made. And in what is often considered one of the most corrupt elections in history the vote passed and Virginia left. And the vote was so contested that much of the northern part of the state themselves seceded and became West Virginia.

But Virginia asked for no accommodation, the warhawks wanted a war and they got their war. And remember, that they followed 7 states that did not even wait for Lincoln to be sworn in before pulling out.

Lincoln was the warhawk. He's the one who ordered federal troops to invade Virginia. He started the war.

 

[bripat9643]

Fascinating tidbit about President Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation.

It did not free all the slaves….

It didn't free any slaves.