Socialist roots of Nazism

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Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism
By Daniel Hannan Politics Last updated: February 25th, 2014
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You can't accuse the NSDAP of downplaying the "Socialist" bit


On 16 June 1941, as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels looked forward to the new order that the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.

Goebbels never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood Nazism to be a better and more plausible form of socialism than that propagated by Lenin. Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk.

So total is the cultural victory of the modern Left that the merely to recount this fact is jarring. But few at the time would have found it especially contentious. As George Watson put it in The Lost Literature of Socialism:

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too.

The clue is in the name. Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said.

Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, a Prussian who briefly worked for the Nazis before rejecting them and fleeing the country, that he had admired much of the thinking of the revolutionaries he had known as a young man; but he felt that they had been talkers, not doers. “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun,” he boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”.

Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”

Leftist readers may by now be seething. Whenever I touch on this subject, it elicits an almost berserk reaction from people who think of themselves as progressives and see anti-fascism as part of their ideology. Well, chaps, maybe now you know how we conservatives feel when you loosely associate Nazism with “the Right”.

To be absolutely clear, I don’t believe that modern Leftists have subliminal Nazi leanings, or that their loathing of Hitler is in any way feigned. That’s not my argument. What I want to do, by holding up the mirror, is to take on the equally false idea that there is an ideological continuum between free-marketers and fascists.

The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. You hear it, not only when spotty students yell “fascist” at Tories, but when pundits talk of revolutionary anti-capitalist parties, such as the BNP and Golden Dawn, as “far Right”.

What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty. When written down like that, the notion sounds idiotic, but think of the groups around the world that the BBC, for example, calls “Right-wing”: the Taliban, who want communal ownership of goods; the Iranian revolutionaries, who abolished the monarchy, seized industries and destroyed the middle class; Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who pined for Stalinism. The “Nazis-were-far-Right” shtick is a symptom of the wider notion that “Right-wing” is a synonym for “baddie”.

One of my constituents once complained to the Beeb about a report on the repression of Mexico's indigenous peoples, in which the government was labelled Right-wing. The governing party, he pointed out, was a member of the Socialist International and, again, the give-away was in its name: Institutional Revolutionary Party. The BBC’s response was priceless. Yes, it accepted that the party was socialist, “but what our correspondent was trying to get across was that it is authoritarian”.

In fact, authoritarianism was the common feature of socialists of both National and Leninist varieties, who rushed to stick each other in prison camps or before firing squads. Each faction loathed the other as heretical, but both scorned free-market individualists as beyond redemption. Their battle was all the fiercer, as Hayek pointed out in 1944, because it was a battle between brothers.

Authoritarianism – or, to give it a less loaded name, the belief that state compulsion is justified in pursuit of a higher goal, such as scientific progress or greater equality – was traditionally a characteristic of the social democrats as much as of the revolutionaries.

Jonah Goldberg has chronicled the phenomenon at length in his magnum opus, Liberal Fascism. Lots of people take offence at his title, evidently without reading the book since, in the first few pages, Jonah reveals that the phrase is not his own. He is quoting that impeccable progressive H.G. Wells who, in 1932, told the Young Liberals that they must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis”.

In those days, most prominent Leftists intellectuals, including Wells, Jack London, Havelock Ellis and the Webbs, tended to favour eugenics, convinced that only religious hang-ups were holding back the development of a healthier species. The unapologetic way in which they spelt out the consequences have, like Hitler’s actual words, been largely edited from our discourse. Here, for example, is George Bernard Shaw in 1933:

Extermination must be put on a scientific basis if it is ever to be carried out humanely and apologetically as well as thoroughly… If we desire a certain type of civilisation and culture we must exterminate the sort of people who do not fit into it.

Eugenics, of course, topples easily into racism. Engels himself wrote of the “racial trash” – the groups who would necessarily be supplanted as scientific socialism came into its own. Season this outlook with a sprinkling of anti-capitalism and you often got Leftist anti-Semitism – something else we have edited from our memory, but which once went without saying. “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-Semite?” Hitler had asked his party members in 1920.

Are contemporary Leftist critics of Israel secretly anti-Semitic? No, not in the vast majority of cases. Are modern socialists inwardly yearning to put global warming sceptics in prison camps? Nope. Do Keynesians want the whole apparatus of corporatism, expressed by Mussolini as “everything in the state, nothing outside the state”? Again, no. There are idiots who discredit every cause, of course, but most people on the Left are sincere in their stated commitment to human rights, personal dignity and pluralism.

My beef with many (not all) Leftists is a simpler one. By refusing to return the compliment, by assuming a moral superiority, they make political dialogue almost impossible. Using the soubriquet “Right-wing” to mean “something undesirable” is a small but important example.

Next time you hear Leftists use the word fascist as a general insult, gently point out the difference between what they like to imagine the NSDAP stood for and what it actually proclaimed.

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The Dutch Nazi Party was equally explicit: "With Germany Against Capitalism"

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Another Dutch Nazi image: "Our Socialism Your Future"

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The National Socialist German worker stands against capitalism
 
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Otto Von Bismarck, not a socialist, in the 1890's felt the threat of Marxism and he decided to install socialized medicine in Germany. This was done not because Bismarck was a socialist, but as a preventative measure. Since then Germany has had some socialism. Hitler in his quest for power used the socialists and their NAZI party to gain power than dumped them like a bad habit. See the night of the long knives in German history. Most Americans of the thirties knew of this but those that believe Hitler was an honest upright citizen still think that the name says it all. Time Magazine from 1933 had this to say. "Essentially Nationalists and patrioteers, the Nazis insert "Socialist" into the party's name simply to lure workers.
 
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-Gregor Strasser :

"We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!"


Adolf Hitler:

"The National Socialist Movement, which aims at establishing the National Socialist People’s State, must always bear steadfastly in mind the principle that every future institution under that State must be rooted in the movement itself."
-Chapter XII, Mein Kampf

I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism.
--spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

“Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.”

"Society's needs come before the individual's needs."

"Gold is not necessary. I have no interest in gold. We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it. Anyone who sells above the set prices, let him be marched off to a concentration camp. That’s the bastion of money."

Joseph Paul Goebbels:

"As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods."

"England is a capitalist democracy. Germany is a socialist people's state. There are lords and City men in England who are in fact the richest men on earth. The broad masses, however, see little of this wealth. We see in England an army of millions of impoverished, socially enslaved and oppressed people. Child labour is still a matter of course there. They have only heard about social welfare programs. Parliament occasionally discusses social legislation. Nowhere else is there such terrible and horrifying inequality as in the English slums. The Lords and City people can remain the richest people one earth only because they constantly maintain their wealth by exploiting their colonies and preserving unbelievable poverty in their own country."

Von Mises in his Human Action (p. 171) said:

-There are two patterns for the realization of socialism. The first pattern (we may call it the Lenin or Russian pattern) . . . . the second pattern (we may call it the Hindenburg or German Pattern) nominally and seemingly preserves private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary markets, prices, wages, and interest rates. There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs, but only shop managers … bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by government.

F.A. Hayek in his Road to Serfdom (p. 168) said:

-The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism—Fichte, Rodbertus, and Lassalle—are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. …. From 1914 onward there arose from the ranks of Marxist socialism one teacher after another who led, not the conservatives and reactionaries, but the hard-working laborer and idealist youth into the National Socialist fold. It was only thereafter that the tide of nationalist socialism attained major importance and rapidly grew into the Hitlerian doctrine.
 
This thead on Nazism is socialism comes on about once a month but for some reason this time it's about a month late.
We put up the same posts then the thread goes away for another month. Wonder why it's late this month?
 
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This thead on Nazism is socialism comes on about once a month but for some reason this time it's about a month late.
We put up the same posts then the thread goes away for another month. Wonder why it's late this month?

Sorry. Didn't know.

Noted and won't happen again from me. I thought it was interesting how people rush to defend socialism from any slight in spite of its record of failure. Catastrophically in the case of the NAZIs.
 
This thead on Nazism is socialism comes on about once a month but for some reason this time it's about a month late.
We put up the same posts then the thread goes away for another month. Wonder why it's late this month?

Sorry. Didn't know.

Noted and won't happen again from me. I thought it was interesting how people rush to defend socialism from any slight in spite of its record of failure. Catastrophically in the case of the NAZIs.

Well don't let it happen again.
 
The Nazi's weren't so bad. They was doing God's work

Socialism is God's work?

Well, Obama thinks so anyway.

"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the
beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short..."

^ These exactly quoted words form the bible PERFECTLY describe Hussein Obummer!!!

Do not twist my words lest ye face my scorn Percy!
 
The Nazi's weren't so bad. They was doing God's work

Socialism is God's work?

Well, Obama thinks so anyway.

"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the
beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short..."

^ These exactly quoted words form the bible PERFECTLY describe Hussein Obummer!!!

Do not twist my words lest ye face my scorn Percy!



“We’re going to make a big push these last few weeks,” Obama told OFA volunteers and officials. “I can talk, my team can talk here in Washington, but it’s not going to make as much of a difference as if you are out there making the case. The work you’re doing is God’s work."

Obama: OFA volunteers doing ?God?s work? - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com
 
Bismarck's welfare state and pan-Germanism de facto gave rise to Nazism.

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The extremely nationalistic and reactionary party initially stood for the restoration of the German monarchy, later supported the creation of an authoritarian state.

Left swindlers call it "right forces". This is true in the sense that European conservatives are left-wing totalitarians (Tory, etc.)
 
Doesn't the acronym for NAZI mean anything?

Well, first remove the reality from propaganda.

"Nazi" is a derogatory term for the party, created and used by their opponents. It is a play on the name "Ignatz", a slang term in Germany for a stupid person.

The term the party used itself was NSDAP. Or "National Socialist German Workers Party". Which was itself largely based on the Italian Fascist Party. Created by Benito Mussolini after he was excommunicated from the Italian Socialist Party. An avid Communist and one of the leaders of the Communist movement in Italy, he was even the publisher of their National Paper. But when he said that Italy had a duty to fight in the First World War he was kicked out. So he decided to create his own form of Socialism, but one that was Nationalist instead of Internationalist.

But that is something that current Socialists and Marxists simply refuse to believe.
 
It's like a lot of issues of today and history: it's not just ''black and white''--there are grey areas. China is ''communist'' but uses capitalist ideas. Some high ranking nazis used the war and nazism to line their own pockets
Also, Stalin was socialist, but he murdered more than hitler. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were communist-socialist, but they murdered hundreds of thousands. The socialist elite did not want to spread their own personal wealth around. Similar to socialist in the US
 
China is ''communist'' but uses capitalist ideas.

China has not really been "Communist" for decades. It is now just a giant slave labor nation that hides behind a totalitarian but structured economy.

Essentially a 21st century Rome, with "Bread and Circus", and most people are just plebs.
 

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