Abraham Lincoln: Alternative History?

[DudleySmith]

Doesn't even begin to touch the child labor the Northern States were infamous for....they would clean out orphanages to climb in the machinery and get horribly maimed in the process.

Yes. I'm still searching for all that 'white privilege' we're alleged to have had. So far all I've found is many many thousands of dead German and Irish laborers just left where they dropped and covered over in building river levees, draining swamps, building railroads, freezing and starving to death in winters up north with no money for shelter or coal, dropping dead in epidemics, etc., etc. Meanwhile slaves could grow their own food year round on their own plots, got clothed, medical care, and year round shelter.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Yes. I'm still searching for all that 'white privilege' we're alleged to have had. So far all I've found is many many thousands of dead German and Irish laborers just left where they dropped and covered over in building river levees, draining swamps, building railroads, freezing and starving to death in winters up north with no money for shelter or coal, dropping dead in epidemics, etc., etc. Meanwhile slaves could grow their own food year round on their own plots, got clothed, medical care, and year round shelter.

On Prager U, too.


The Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Every legit historian is saying it was.

 

[Zincwarrior]

A quick reminder, the reason most Southerners fought was because they were drafted.

Confederate Conscription Acts 1862–1864 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

"That way of life" wasn't just an economic system or a social construct. No, it was a Religious Sacrament. God's Ordained Plan for the African Race. To fight in the defense of slavery was to do The Lord's Work.



No, the European powers did stay out of the war. Support for the Confederacy may have existed amongst some of the British aristocracy and the upper classes in France, the Confederacy had zero support among the working classes, you know, the ones who would have filled the rank and file of whatever force sent in support of the Confederacy.

The Great Emancipator Sent Americans Off to Kill Their Fellow Americans on Behalf of Africans

You must think that the European plebeians had any power to resist becoming cannon fodder. But this was true about the North's working-class soldiers also. The American hereditary ruling class, Northeast internationalist faction, had been terrified of the nearly successful European 1848 revolutions. So they concocted a scheme to kill off or take the fight out of their own sweatshop slaves, who were starting to unionize. Also, they felt they could replace their Whites with grateful freed-slave scabs. Another benefit was that their sons could buy their way out of having to fight in the Civil War.

A typical Abolitionist leader, Henry Ward Beecher (whose sister wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin) said this about the threat from a defiant White working class: "Anyone who can't live on bread and water doesn't deserve to live."

This scheme, including the Chickenhawk element, was repeated a hundred years later in the Vietnam War. Its purpose was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest sons of the White working class. Mission Accomplished.

 

[Zincwarrior]

A quick reminder, the reason most Southerners fought was because they were drafted.

Confederate Conscription Acts 1862–1864 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Great Emancipator Sent Americans Off to Kill Their Fellow Americans on Behalf of Africans

You must think that the European plebeians had any power to resist becoming cannon fodder. But this was true about the North's working-class soldiers also. The American hereditary ruling class, Northeast internationalist faction, had been terrified of the nearly successful European 1848 revolutions. So they concocted a scheme to kill off or take the fight out of their own sweatshop slaves, who were starting to unionize. Also, they felt they could replace their Whites with grateful freed-slave scabs. Another benefit was that their sons could buy their way out of having to fight in the Civil War.

A typical Abolitionist leader, Henry Ward Beecher (whose sister wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin) said this about the threat from a defiant White working class: "Anyone who can't live on bread and water doesn't deserve to live."

This scheme, including the Chickenhawk element, was repeated a hundred years later in the Vietnam War. Its purpose was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest sons of the White working class. Mission Accomplished.

Well the North had conscription after a while as well. Both sides relied on drafting the nonwealthy.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They had slavery up North, to especially in Illinois, long before the Civil War and well into the 20th Century; it was hidden under state laws that allowed sheriffs and police chiefs to rent out prisoners to private industry. Many thousands perished in mines and other dangerous jobs.

People Who Act Like Wild Jungle Animals Need to Be Tamed

Law enforcement's chain gangs were punishment, not slavery. But slavery of African savages was also punishment.

College is work without pay. Tuition is bribery to buy a job. That's worse than any slavery, because it is imposed on what would be our most valuable talent, not on criminals and the Ding Dongs of the Bell Curve.

Punishing the Highest IQs demoralizes them from studying. The rest of the graduates had no more right to be in college than they had to be on the college football team, which is based on talent, not on buying a spot on the team and living in enforced student poverty like a young-adult slacker who's afraid to grow up.,

 

[JoeB131]

Rubbish. This is just rhetoric from a political speech, and made after secession, not before, and and had zero to do with with cascade of secessions deliberately provoked by Lincoln. The truth, from Lincoln himself, as well as others:

Hey, slick, let's look at what they said in those declarations of secession at the state level.

Confederates Speak: Yes, We Fought the Civil War Over Slavery

www.jacksonfreepress.com

Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

From Texas' Declaration: "In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

Sorry, man, the Civil War was about slavery.

The South had already won all the Supreme Court battles over slavery, and Taney was still Chief Justice, no threats there, It was purely 'business', like the Corleone family would say.

Actually, there were a lot of threats to slavery, mostly in the form of all that new territory in the west entering the Union as Free states and voting to change the constitution to end it. No slave states had been admitted to the union since 1845, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act pretty much meant all the new states would be free states.

 

[bripat9643]

On Prager U, too.


The Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Every legit historian is saying it was.

Abraham Lincoln said it wasn't.

 

[bripat9643]

Hey, slick, let's look at what they said in those declarations of secession at the state level.

Confederates Speak: Yes, We Fought the Civil War Over Slavery

www.jacksonfreepress.com

Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

From Texas' Declaration: "In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

Sorry, man, the Civil War was about slavery.




Actually, there were a lot of threats to slavery, mostly in the form of all that new territory in the west entering the Union as Free states and voting to change the constitution to end it. No slave states had been admitted to the union since 1845, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act pretty much meant all the new states would be free states.

https://colors-newyork.com/what-did-lincoln-say-was-the-primary-objective-of-the-war/​

What did Lincoln say was the primary objective of the war?​

Aug. 22, 1862: President Lincoln told a New York newspaper that preserving the Union was his main goal of the Civil War — not abolishing slavery. “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it,” Lincoln said.​

​

What was Lincoln’s war aim from 1861 to 1862?​

In this open letter to Horace Greeley, President Lincoln maintained that the central cause of the Civil War was to keep the country united and not to free the slaves.​

​

What were the main points of Abraham Lincoln’s inaugural address in 1861?​

​

In his inaugural address, Lincoln promised not to interfere with the institution of slavery where it existed, and pledged to suspend the activities of the federal government temporarily in areas of hostility. However, he also took a firm stance against secession and the seizure of federal property.​

 

[DudleySmith]

On Prager U, too.


The Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Every legit historian is saying it was.

So you found a site run by people at your education level. Congratulations. Sucks for you frauds there are still historians around who state what Lincoln himself said, ruining your whole cult bullshit. It's not like you frauds would have done anything about it back then; you aren't even doing anything about it now, so what do you frauds think you're proving by constantly lying about the facts?

 

[DudleySmith]

Hey, slick, let's look at what they said in those declarations of secession at the state level.

Confederates Speak: Yes, We Fought the Civil War Over Slavery

www.jacksonfreepress.com

Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

From Texas' Declaration: "In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

Sorry, man, the Civil War was about slavery.




Actually, there were a lot of threats to slavery, mostly in the form of all that new territory in the west entering the Union as Free states and voting to change the constitution to end it. No slave states had been admitted to the union since 1845, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act pretty much meant all the new states would be free states.

Nothing you post refutes anything I've said, troll commie. You're a joke poster, just here for the comedy content. Come back when you can read a book and actually find out something.

 

[DudleySmith]

Abraham Lincoln said it wasn't.

Many times. Even Seward. the only member of Lincoln's cabinet who was an abolitionist advised not going to war; the only member of his cabinet who wanted war was his postmaster general, a corrupt moron who played both Parties for his own personal gain. Even Winfield Scott opposed war.

 

[JoeB131]

Nothing you post refutes anything I've said, troll commie. You're a joke poster, just here for the comedy content. Come back when you can read a book and actually find out something.

 

[JoeB131]

https://colors-newyork.com/what-did-lincoln-say-was-the-primary-objective-of-the-war/​

What did Lincoln say was the primary objective of the war?​

Aug. 22, 1862: President Lincoln told a New York newspaper that preserving the Union was his main goal of the Civil War — not abolishing slavery. “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it,” Lincoln said.​

​

What was Lincoln’s war aim from 1861 to 1862?​

In this open letter to Horace Greeley, President Lincoln maintained that the central cause of the Civil War was to keep the country united and not to free the slaves.​

​

What were the main points of Abraham Lincoln’s inaugural address in 1861?​

​

In his inaugural address, Lincoln promised not to interfere with the institution of slavery where it existed, and pledged to suspend the activities of the federal government temporarily in areas of hostility. However, he also took a firm stance against secession and the seizure of federal property.​

Wow. Yes, Lincoln's first priority was to preserve the union.

But the only reason why the Union was in danger was because the South wanted to secede to keep slavery. They weren't even willing to work through the issue. Slavery was just that important to their culture.

 

[DudleySmith]

Wow. Yes, Lincoln's first priority was to preserve the union.

But the only reason why the Union was in danger was because the South wanted to secede to keep slavery. They weren't even willing to work through the issue. Slavery was just that important to their culture.

Another stupid troll post. you're just not smart enough to win these games you play, Red Joe. Stick to your dream of being a Commissar and running death camps.

 

[JoeB131]

Another stupid troll post. you're just not smart enough to win these games you play, Red Joe. Stick to your dream of being a Commissar and running death camps.

Wow, buddy, you claimed it wasn't about slavery.... I cited historical records of Southern Leaders proclaiming it was about slavery AT THE TIME.

You lose, buddy.

 

[bripat9643]

Wow, buddy, you claimed it wasn't about slavery.... I cited historical records of Southern Leaders proclaiming it was about slavery AT THE TIME.

You lose, buddy.

I cited Abraham Lincoln who said it wasn't about slavery.

You lose, buddy.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I cited Abraham Lincoln who said it wasn't about slavery.

You lose, buddy.

Then he freed the slaves.

 

[JoeB131]

I cited Abraham Lincoln who said it wasn't about slavery.

You lose, buddy.

Lincoln didn't start the war, the South did. So regardless of what his desires were about how to handle slavery, that decision was taken out of his hands by the guys who DID secede over slavery.

 

[bripat9643]

Then he freed the slaves.

No, he actually didn't. The emancipation proclamation didn't free a single slave. Furthermore, it was unconstitutional.