Zone1 A thread about Jews

[irosie91]

You wonder why you get ignored …. you provide no context. And hope to get conversations bogged down in mindless personal attacks. Not gonna happen. Keep on inventing other people’s views I don’t care.

I am ignored? I get lots of responses to my posts. Somebody must be reading them

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

So, you ignore the centuries of oppression in Europe, that climaxed with the Holocaust?

I already responded to this. Look at my first post itt

Well every group of history has faced persecution at some point. Jews have also persecuted innocent people going back to the ancient era.

The truth of the matter is the holocaust I believe did occur. Let’s always remember though that Jews thrived in the Soviet Union, the United States and the British empire where something like 1 million Jews fought for the military of these countries. I’ve seen a documentary series on Russian Jews, veterans of World War II and in their own words say they felt that they were Soviet Patriots. I know some people like to try and shoot that down. I’ve seen enough evidence to prove otherwise. And I’m talking about Jews who continue to live in the Russian Federation after the end of the Soviet Union, they have absolutely no reason to lie as there are people in Russia today citizens of Russia who despise the times of Soviet Union. And they do it openly on camera. And I am no fan of communism. But I think that it’s an interesting sidenote.

As for the middle ages, there were numerous cases of Jews being kicked out of Catholic countries, for example. But there’s also proof that Jews also thrived in plenty of Islamic and Catholic kingdoms throughout history. Otherwise, there will be no European Jews today. Common sense would tell us there was probably an overreaction by the Catholic kingdoms to a few bad Jews as being responsible for widespread problems. I mean, there’s no doubt there’s been criminals in every group of people all throughout history that includes Jews in the European middle ages.

We can recognize that every group of people has faced persecution. I don’t know if Jews have faced the most. Perhaps the holocaust was the worst single event of racism ever. It was also done in an industrial age. But we have to be careful, especially those of us with European ancestors to not provide some kind of a blank criticism to all Europeans because of the fact that numerous times throughout European history, catholic kingdoms have discriminated against Jews as a whole. Because the fax is not all of them did that.


Ibn Jubair a Muslim scholar of the 12th century visited the Catholic Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem. Here’s a guy with absolutely no reason to lie. As there have been Muslim travelers who have written highly negative things about catholic kingdoms that they have traveled in. Not Jubair he said that in the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem, Muslims and Jews were treated very well.

 

[Lisa558]

I am ignored? I get lots of responses to my posts. Somebody must be reading them

I read them.

 

[Votto]

I already responded to this. Look at my first post itt

Well every group of history has faced persecution at some point. Jews have also persecuted innocent people going back to the ancient era.

The truth of the matter is the holocaust I believe did occur. Let’s always remember though that Jews thrived in the Soviet Union, the United States and the British empire where something like 1 million Jews fought for the military of these countries. I’ve seen a documentary series on Russian Jews, veterans of World War II and in their own words say they felt that they were Soviet Patriots. I know some people like to try and shoot that down. I’ve seen enough evidence to prove otherwise. And I’m talking about Jews who continue to live in the Russian Federation after the end of the Soviet Union, they have absolutely no reason to lie as there are people in Russia today citizens of Russia who despise the times of Soviet Union. And they do it openly on camera. And I am no fan of communism. But I think that it’s an interesting sidenote.

As for the middle ages, there were numerous cases of Jews being kicked out of Catholic countries, for example. But there’s also proof that Jews also thrived in plenty of Islamic and Catholic kingdoms throughout history. Otherwise, there will be no European Jews today. Common sense would tell us there was probably an overreaction by the Catholic kingdoms to a few bad Jews as being responsible for widespread problems. I mean, there’s no doubt there’s been criminals in every group of people all throughout history that includes Jews in the European middle ages.

We can recognize that every group of people has faced persecution. I don’t know if Jews have faced the most. Perhaps the holocaust was the worst single event of racism ever. It was also done in an industrial age. But we have to be careful, especially those of us with European ancestors to not provide some kind of a blank criticism to all Europeans because of the fact that numerous times throughout European history, catholic kingdoms have discriminated against Jews as a whole. Because the fax is not all of them did that.


Ibn Jubair a Muslim scholar of the 12th century visited the Catholic Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem. Here’s a guy with absolutely no reason to lie. As there have been Muslim travelers who have written highly negative things about catholic kingdoms that they have traveled in. Not Jubair he said that in the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem, Muslims and Jews were treated very well.

All I know is, kids at your local universities are not singing "gas the Blacks" or "gas the gays". They are singing "Gas the Jews" and the Left does nothing about it.

Looks like equity and inclusion took a vacation when it comes to the Jews, and no, there is no mention of the Zionist state when they say such things.

Mark my words, the Left and Islam together will not rest until the Zionist state is a heap of ruins as they indiscriminately persecute Jews in other countries along the way.

 

[rosends]

Anti-"Jewish" feeling is ancient. The bible recounts why, for example, the Egyptians oppressed the children of Israel:
1. the "other" refused to integrate and assimilate, keeping their names, clothes and their language
2. the children of Israel were shepherds which was considered disgraceful
3. they did not see the pharaoh as a god figure
4. there was a paranoid concern that if other nations attacked, the Jews would help them (a loyalty fear)

a lot of that never ended and those are still some of the reasons that jews are hated today (though not so much the shepherd one).

Mix in the "you killed our god" and "you ignored our prophet" and the political "you can't have any jobs except the ones people will hate you for" and the fact that our laws of diet and hygeine kept us alive at times when others died, and you have a potent mix of excuses to justify hate.

 

[Lisa558]

All I know is, kids at your local universities are not singing "gas the Blacks" or "gas the gays". They are singing "Gas the Jews" and the Left does nothing about it.

Looks like equity and inclusion took a vacation when it comes to the Jews, and no, there is no mention of the Zionist state when they say such things.

Mark my words, the Left and Islam together will not rest until the Zionist state is a heap of ruins as they indiscriminately persecute Jews in other countries along the way.

The Left would not tolerate the disgusting level of bigotry against Jews that we’ve seen in the last couple of years if it were targeted against any other minority - blacks, Muslims, gays.

(Here in the liberal area where I live, it’s awful. Right near that infamous liberal high school in Loudoun, the Muslims and their leftist-supporting enablers march around chanting “Death to Jews!”)

But when it comes to Jews, not only is the Left tolerating it, many of them are out in front cheering it on. And then, to top it off, they deny or downplay it.

The Left cannot stand that an oppressed group can rise above the horrific prejudice it has suffered to not only succeed, but succeed well above average as a result of wise choices, admirable traits, and good values. It makes it impossible for the Left to explain away failures as being due to racism.

 

[irosie91]

I already responded to this. Look at my first post itt

Well every group of history has faced persecution at some point. Jews have also persecuted innocent people going back to the ancient era.

The truth of the matter is the holocaust I believe did occur. Let’s always remember though that Jews thrived in the Soviet Union, the United States and the British empire where something like 1 million Jews fought for the military of these countries. I’ve seen a documentary series on Russian Jews, veterans of World War II and in their own words say they felt that they were Soviet Patriots. I know some people like to try and shoot that down. I’ve seen enough evidence to prove otherwise. And I’m talking about Jews who continue to live in the Russian Federation after the end of the Soviet Union, they have absolutely no reason to lie as there are people in Russia today citizens of Russia who despise the times of Soviet Union. And they do it openly on camera. And I am no fan of communism. But I think that it’s an interesting sidenote.

As for the middle ages, there were numerous cases of Jews being kicked out of Catholic countries, for example. But there’s also proof that Jews also thrived in plenty of Islamic and Catholic kingdoms throughout history. Otherwise, there will be no European Jews today. Common sense would tell us there was probably an overreaction by the Catholic kingdoms to a few bad Jews as being responsible for widespread problems. I mean, there’s no doubt there’s been criminals in every group of people all throughout history that includes Jews in the European middle ages.

We can recognize that every group of people has faced persecution. I don’t know if Jews have faced the most. Perhaps the holocaust was the worst single event of racism ever. It was also done in an industrial age. But we have to be careful, especially those of us with European ancestors to not provide some kind of a blank criticism to all Europeans because of the fact that numerous times throughout European history, catholic kingdoms have discriminated against Jews as a whole. Because the fax is not all of them did that.


Ibn Jubair a Muslim scholar of the 12th century visited the Catholic Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem. Here’s a guy with absolutely no reason to lie. As there have been Muslim travelers who have written highly negative things about catholic kingdoms that they have traveled in. Not Jubair he said that in the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem, Muslims and Jews were treated very well.

for the record----muslims SPIT when they utter the arabic word for CRUSADER----It is used
to denote christians. There have always been good rulers here and there. Saladin is
an example. He save Maimonides from being executed for being a jew in Fez----to which
he fled from being executed as a Jew in Muslim Cordoba . Maimonides was able to function
in the Palace of Saladin in Cairo. <<<< this stuff took place in the era of IBN JUBAYR . The
original letter written by Maimonides to the oppressed Yemenite jews is still extant. My
dhimmi is home-----feel free to ask questions

 

[The Irish Ram]

Because we dont believe in Jesus and know there is no original sin.

Satan would leave them alone if Jesus hadn't been a Jew. They are God's chosen, and Satan's target.
If there is no Israel, then there is no place for Christ to return to, to rule and reign from.
If there was no original sin, there would be no cross...

 

[Hafar1014]

Satan would leave them alone if Jesus hadn't been a Jew. They are God's chosen, and Satan's target.
If there is no Israel, then there is no place for Christ to return to, to rule and reign from.
If there was no original sin, there would be no cross...

Jesus never existed because there is no original sin in Genesis. Satan means liar its not the devil. Jesus isnt returning I hear he was deported back to Mexico

 

[Votto]

The Left would not tolerate the disgusting level of bigotry against Jews that we’ve seen in the last couple of years if it were targeted against any other minority - blacks, Muslims, gays.

(Here in the liberal area where I live, it’s awful. Right near that infamous liberal high school in Loudoun, the Muslims and their leftist-supporting enablers march around chanting “Death to Jews!”)

But when it comes to Jews, not only is the Left tolerating it, many of them are out in front cheering it on. And then, to top it off, they deny or downplay it.

The Left cannot stand that an oppressed group can rise above the horrific prejudice it has suffered to not only succeed, but succeed well above average as a result of wise choices, admirable traits, and good values. It makes it impossible for the Left to explain away failures as being due to racism.

It did not used to be like this in the US Lisa. The European hatred of the Jews has infiltrated the US and taken over the democrat party.

Now sitting Congressmen from the DNC won't even condemn 10/7, even thought it targeted innocent women and children.

I never thought I would see this day, but here we are.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus never existed because there is no original sin in Genesis. Satan means liar its not the devil. Jesus isnt returning I hear he was deported back to Mexico

There’s no such thing as original sin, true….but I think Jesus existed. One has nothing to do with the other. King David existed. Herod existed. Ramses existed. They too have nothing to do with this idea of original sin.

 

[Votto]

There’s no such thing as original sin, true….but I think Jesus existed. One has nothing to do with the other. King David existed. Herod existed. Ramses existed. They too have nothing to do with this idea of original sin.

Your own Torah is riddled with every man, woman, and child having committed a sin, but there is no original sin?

Your own revered patriarch's have sinned as well.

Very odd.

 

[Lisa558]

It did not used to be like this in the US Lisa. The European hatred of the Jews has infiltrated the US and taken over the democrat party.

Now sitting Congressmen from the DNC won't even condemn 10/7, even thought it targeted innocent women and children.

I never thought I would see this day, but here we are.

It’s a nightmare.

AOC wouldn’t condemn that HAMAS lover who killed the young couple coming out of the Jewish Museum, either.

The hate for Jews among Democrats is now so strong that politicians are afraid to express disapproval when someone guns them down in cold blood.

But let a lowlife felon be killed, and the Dems are crying buckets.

 

[Hafar1014]

There’s no such thing as original sin, true….but I think Jesus existed. One has nothing to do with the other. King David existed. Herod existed. Ramses existed. They too have nothing to do with this idea of original sin.

Since there is no original sin in Genesis there is no reason for Jesus to exist. Jesus is literally an idol.

 

[Lisa558]

Your own Torah is riddled with every man, woman, and child having committed a sin, but there is no original sin?

Your own revered patriarch's have sinned as well.

Very odd.

I never said we don’t commit sins. What do you think the Day of Atonement is all about?

There’s no concept as ORIGINAL sin, as in being born sinful. That’s purely a Christian idea.

 

[Lisa558]

Since there is no original sin in Genesis there is no reason for Jesus to exist. Jesus is literally an idol.

No, I think he was a real Jewish man about 2,000 years ago.

The Christianity that developed after his death was not his intent.

 

[Hafar1014]

Your own Torah is riddled with every man, woman, and child having committed a sin, but there is no original sin?

Your own revered patriarch's have sinned as well.

Very odd.

There is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis. Its the trail for mans freedom and gods teaching of morals to Adam. There are sins sure but no original sin which is the reason for Jesus to exist.
Adam cant sin before he cant know what a sin is. He had no moral awareness until after he ate the fruit.
It was gods plan that Adam eat from the fruit. You cant sin when you obey gods plan

 

[Hafar1014]

I never said we don’t commit sins. What do you think the Day of Atonement is all about?

There’s no concept as ORIGINAL sin, as in being born sinful. That’s purely a Christian idea.

Original sin means Adam disobeyed Gods command not to eat the fruit and acquire moral awareness. It was Gods plan that Adam dies eat the fruit as part of the trial for mans freedom. Adam must have free will so God tests him. Dont eat the fruit Adam disobeys the test for free will without morals. Then the trial begins and Adam confesses.

 

[Lisa558]

Original sin means Adam disobeyed Gods command not to eat the fruit and acquire moral awareness. It was Gods plan that Adam dies eat the fruit as part of the trial for mans freedom. Adam must have free will so God tests him. Dont eat the fruit Adam disobeys the test for free will without morals. Then the trial begins and Adam confesses.

I know that’s what Christians think is the Original Sin, but the problem comes in because they think everyone is born sinful because Adam ate the apple.

So let’s even say that WAS the first sin. Doesn’t mean other people who follow for thousands of years after get blamed too. But Christians think we’re born bad because of it.

Everyone is born a blank slate.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus never existed because there is no original sin in Genesis. Satan means liar its not the devil. Jesus isnt returning I hear he was deported back to Mexico

Historians beg to differ.