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Clearly since you cant understand or read Hebrew you have no idea what it means. Its an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors. Adam never lost faith in God the opposite occurred.
The explanation by Orthodox Jewish Rabbis who study this all their lives.
God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the center of the garden where Adam would be drawn to it.
God begins the lesson by testing Adams free will and commands him not to eat the fruit. The ultimate test if free will is disobedience and Adam must disobey God for the lesson to continue. Adam eats the fruit and passes the test.

THe lesson has two goals teach Adam morals which must be part of free will and give Adam the freedom to choose on his own to come to God. God didnt make us like ants or bees. We are made in his likeness potentially divine and free. God wants Adam to choose on hi sown behalf based on his new morals to make the right morals choice. This is a test and is called The Trial for mans freedom. At first Adam denies and makes excuses then he eventually asks God to forgive him. He passes the test. HIs new growth(evolution) forces him to outgrow Eden and go into the world to define his meaning.
There is no sin because Adam was obeying Gods plan and before he ate the fruit he couldn't know what a sin even was. You cant sin if you cant know right from wrong.
Christians changed the meaning to suit their new dogma which is all made up
For me, the story represents man's thirst for knowledge while forsaking wisdom, with God representing wisdom and raw knowledge aside from God being the forbidden fruit. The knowledge brings mankind power, however, power without wisdom brings death.

We see this in numerous instances. For example, Oppenheimer, who ironically was a Jew, once said, "I have become death" after tapping into the knowledge of how to create a nuclear weapon.

The knowledge mankind lusts after is only to gain him power, power that should be reserved for God alone or with God overseeing it.

Currently, mankind is building AI for such knowledge and power, because mankind never learns his lesson, just like Adam. Man is not evolving in any way; he is not progressing. Arguably, it is just the opposite.

Also, for God to tell them not to eat the fruit but secretly want them to eat it is nonsensical and is pure deception. That defies the very definition of God as Holy. I don't think you have a very good concept of what Holiness even is.

Clearly, Adam had the power of free will before eating the fruit because he did just that. Partaking of the fruit clearly was not a prerequisite to make such choices.

And yes, they knew it was wrong because Eve told the serpent it was wrong before eating the fruit.
 
What does that have to do with my point about Satan?
You mock the very religious books that helped protect the Jews from the plague, which was information they could not have even known about.
 
This is a different topic from the history of how Jews were treated in Europe. Israel is not the same thing as treatment of Jews. How somebody feels about the policies of Israel does not correlate with hating Jews. Likewise, if somebody is critical of the policies of Saudi Arabia, it doesn’t mean they hate all Muslims.


But still, I suppose in line with a thread. But now we’re going to a different era the modern era. Well there are some right wingers who openly hate Jews, think of the Neo Nazis. There is racism against blacks, there is racism against whites. Let’s not go down the BLM cancel culture Road though of confusing this type of small amount of racism with some kind of a systemic issue. I feel it is fair to say that overwhelmingly the American people whether on the left or right are not racist. That’s my position there.

There is no way Israel will be destroyed btw. They are no longer “surrounded by enemies”. because you know Israel got intelligence from Saudi Arabia to use against Iran, for example. Their biggest enemy is Iran and their allies in Lebanon and Yemen. To that point Most of the leadership of Hezbollah has been destroyed. Israel has destroyed many of the Iranian leaders.

American citizens on both the right and left do not want to send taxpayer dollars to Israel for a number of reasons. We have homelessness in America. A lot of it is because of what people say are heinous war crimes by the IDF. A lot of US military personnel have pointed out the blatant difference between the Israeli occupation of Gaza compared to the American occupation of Ra. You could even take it from Israeli politicians who want to conquer Gaza in their own words. They want more settlements for Jews that was not the mission of the American military in Iraq. Our mission was to remove Saddam Hussein and help the Iraqi people. Build schools in Iraq. I think Israel is doing a horrible job when it comes to the media, but maybe that’s on purpose again. It really seems like there’s a lot of people in power in Israel who simply wanna conquer Gaza and fill it with Jewish settlers. That’s their own decision , but they’re gonna get criticized from people around the world.

Gaza unlike say Ukraine has no ability to defend itself. This is not a war in Gaza. It’s a bloodbath. Unlike with Ukraine, they actually have tanks. They have sophisticated military weaponry. There is no occupation of Israel. There is no Palestinian tanks on the ground in Tel Aviv. It’s very one-sided

the whole antisemitism thing is over blown. Many of the pro Palestine protests on college campus in the US are being led by Jews. Might there be a few people chanting bad things about Jews??? perhaps. But it’s definitely overblown and it is sort of become wokeism on the pro Israel side complaining about antisemitism.

my position is it’s a bad tactic to complain about Israel being insulted on college campuses., .. again if there are a few people or even a group of people saying bad things about Jews, it does not correlate into some kind of antisemitism problem. There has been one Palestinian American boy murdered by some fanatical pro-Israel guy right after October 7. There has also been some violence against Jews in America, but that’s gone both ways. It does not correlate into some kind of a systemic racism or bigotry against Muslims or Jews in America.

especially when we openly have Jewish supremacists in Israel with military power.
Forget about some pot smoking hippies on college campuses protesting Israel. They’re not anti-Semitic by the way they’re protesting Israel sometimes harshly but They don’t have any kind of power to do anything military. On the other hand in Gaza , you have 50,000 dead Palestinians because of the IDF. And an evil military campaign by the IDF, according to American soldiers who have blown the whistle on the situation in Gaza when it comes to the food distribution site. …. It’s like nothing we have ever seen. That is what a Green Beret Anthony Aguilar for example had to say ….he blew the whistle on the food distribution operation in Gaza. He said he has seen crimes by the IDF and he has even had IDF soldiers tell him of crimes by the IDF.
It is true that just because you are critical of the government of Israel does not make you antisemitic.

However, as I have pointed out the UN has targeted Israel unfairly in comparison to other regimes around the world. You can never convince me, for example, that Bibi leads a worse regime than say North Korea or Iran for obvious reasons if you know anything about their human rights abuses. And as I have said, the UN and media basically ignored the Sudan who was conducting a real genocide just South of Israel while the UN continued to rail against Israel building walls along with the media giving that all their attention while ignoring the Sudanese genocide. And no, the Christians in Southern Sudan were not digging tunnels to fight the Northern Muslims in and did not take hostages from the North either, nor where they lobbing rockets at them to provoke them. LOL.

Moreover, it troubles me that gays in San Fran, for example, march in unison with the Palestinian cause when the Palestinian authority would have them all thrown off the roof tops in Gaza had they visited there. The irony to it all is that Israel is the only safe place for them to visit and pretty much everybody would rather be in Israel than they would the rest of the Middle East because they have more freedoms there. I even have even seen people interviewed and asked what is meant to chant, "From the river to the sea" as most have no idea it is in reference to the extermination of the Jews in that region. Clearly such people are basically brain-dead activists following narratives chosen for them to follow.

As for the alleged genocide in Gaza, those people were funded by Iran as they dug tunnels to fight Israel in and lobbed rockets into Israel with impunity and then screams genocide and oppression if Israel ever responded accordingly. The whole notion of Israel being the only bad guy here is sheer insanity and shows the power of the propaganda of Legacy media that told you for the last 4 years that the mental state of Joe Biden was just fine and that the Russia collusion charges against Trump were legit.

I will also not turn a blind eye to what is going on in colleges all around the US and the world. Countries like Qatar are funding these universities that adds their influence, which is why you see so many students protesting for Palestine. As you point out, there are crazies on both sides of the isle, which is why you see crimes committed on both sides of the isle, however, the crazies on the Palestinian side seem to have become mainstream. Examples of this is the President of Harvard being hounded by Congress regarding whether or not it was proper to ignore students chanting "Death to the Jews". If they had been chanting "Death to the Blacks or gays", they would have been expelled. And if not, the Harvard President should have no problem just simply condemning such verbiage. But when asked, the Harvard President inexplicably said, "It depend on the context" WTF? No, no it does not depend on the context of chanting "Gas the Jews". Sorry

And we see the Palestinian loons in the US Congress as well when a good majority of Democrat Congressmen could not so much as condemn 10/7 for Hamas targeting thousands of women and children for extermination. Feel free to critique the Israeli government any way you wish, but to not be able to condemn that act which triggered this whole mess in Gaza we see today is just as perplexing and troubling to me as the Harvard President saying it is Ok for some students to chant "Gas the Jews" depending on the context.

Clearly, there is a problem.
 
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For me, the story represents man's thirst for knowledge while forsaking wisdom, with God representing wisdom and raw knowledge aside from God being the forbidden fruit. The knowledge brings mankind power, however, power without wisdom brings death.

We see this in numerous instances. For example, Oppenheimer, who ironically was a Jew, once said, "I have become death" after tapping into the knowledge of how to create a nuclear weapon.

The knowledge mankind lusts after is only to gain him power, power that should be reserved for God alone or with God overseeing it.

Currently, mankind is building AI for such knowledge and power, because mankind never learns his lesson, just like Adam. Man is not evolving in any way; he is not progressing. Arguably, it is just the opposite.

Also, for God to tell them not to eat the fruit but secretly want them to eat it is nonsensical and is pure deception. That defies the very definition of God as Holy. I don't think you have a very good concept of what Holiness even is.

Clearly, Adam had the power of free will before eating the fruit because he did just that. Partaking of the fruit clearly was not a prerequisite to make such choices.

And yes, they knew it was wrong because Eve told the serpent it was wrong before eating the fruit.
Its an allegory the whole point is Gods empowerment of mans free will
 
FAKE NEWS
Leaving out Genocide of millions of Palestinians seems rather more than a detail to omit .
Do NK and Iran have torture camps ?
Israel does .

What happened to these matters?
Another laughable claim against Israel. These are either just plain dumb progressives or Iranian bots.
 
What behavior are you talking about that has caused them to receive such treatment over the centuries?

They continue to be charged with genocide today as the reason to hate them, but why were they hated before?

In fact, the UN has passed more resolutions against Israel than any other country on earth, and this was well before their current war in Gaza that they have received all kinds of hate over. In fact, it has condemned Israel 3 times as much as all the countries of the world combined, and this was before the Gaza war that spews 24/7 propaganda about how terrible the Jewish people are in response to 10/7.

Sorry, I don't buy it. In fact, I remember when the Muslims in Northern Sudan was engaged in a genocide against the Christians in the South, but the news only covered Israel trying to build walls to keep out terrorists, as if that was such a terrible, terrible thing to do.

This activity from the UN verifies for me the rampant antisemitism in the world that has always been there.

North Korea alone should have a resolution passed against it about every day as they starve to death their own people, and God only knows what else is done to them, but by far, the most oppressive regime in the world yet no one says a peep.
In conversations in 1948, including a letter to editor to NYT, Albert Einstein compared the militant Zionists to be similar to the German Nazis in actions and philosophy. While he favored a homeland for the Jews, he argued against statehood for the Jews, and history has proven him to be right.

Just as the German Nazis wanted "lebensraum" in WWII, the Zionist State pushes "Greater Israel" in conquering and seizing land of its neighbors.
 
In conversations in 1948, including a letter to editor to NYT, Albert Einstein compared the militant Zionists to be similar to the German Nazis in actions and philosophy. While he favored a homeland for the Jews, he argued against statehood for the Jews, and history has proven him to be right.

Just as the German Nazis wanted "lebensraum" in WWII, the Zionist State pushes "Greater Israel" in conquering and seizing land of its neighbors.
you mean like giving Gaza back and the Sinai?
 
Do your own research honey. What is Greater Israel? Why is the idea not acceptable to the Muslim community and Palestinians

That link will help you get started. It was originally proposed by Zionists about a century ago. Just guessing that those Zionists rely upon Deuteronomy and other parts of their Torah to advance their plan.
There is no plan to capture and recreate a biblical Israel. There is a hope and a messianic dream. You are confusing religious aspirations and political reality.
 
In conversations in 1948, including a letter to editor to NYT, Albert Einstein compared the militant Zionists to be similar to the German Nazis in actions and philosophy. While he favored a homeland for the Jews, he argued against statehood for the Jews, and history has proven him to be right.

Just as the German Nazis wanted "lebensraum" in WWII, the Zionist State pushes "Greater Israel" in conquering and seizing land of its neighbors.
Total fraud he never said that just more anti semitic garbage thats not even intelligent. Israel never took any land. In fact they gave land back. This time they will take Gaza and they should. Gazans are to dumb to create their own government
 
Do your own research honey. What is Greater Israel? Why is the idea not acceptable to the Muslim community and Palestinians

That link will help you get started. It was originally proposed by Zionists about a century ago. Just guessing that those Zionists rely upon Deuteronomy and other parts of their Torah to advance their plan.
Israel stands in the way of Irans goals to control the entire Middle East and create a Pan Arab Muslim nation. To accomplish that all Jews and Christians must be killed converted or driven out. This was the goal of Gamel Abdul Nasser Egypts leader and the Jews kicked his ass. Kadafi had the same idea and so did Arafat. How did that work out. They use Muslims as pawns sacrificing them using them as human shields and killing them. IN Gaza Hamas steals their food and starves them then blames Israel.
This time they are losing badly and the Abraham Accords have created a Muslim alliance opposed to their genocide. The end is very close now. This Muslim abomination must end once and for all so real Muslims can thrive in peace.
 
Speaking of Nobel Prizes, why is it more Jews have won them than from any other group of people despite being a minority of the population?
I don't know. MAGAts here are saying 'Noble' prizes are worthless.

I'm shocked.
 
The women in my area - I’m in a very liberal region - have been warned NOT to wear our Star of David in public. I have heeded that warning.
Victimhood needs nurturing.
 
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Israel has always been attacked first which makes them defenders. They win every time and the Muslims are like drunk picking fights and losing
See? Victimhood and triumphalism perfected.

Gawd's gift. Are you Israeli, perchance?
 
Original sin means Adam disobeyed Gods command not to eat the fruit and acquire moral awareness. It was Gods plan that Adam dies eat the fruit as part of the trial for mans freedom. Adam must have free will so God tests him. Dont eat the fruit Adam disobeys the test for free will without morals. Then the trial begins and Adam confesses.
Cool sky fairy story, bro'.
 

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