A Quick and Clear Summation of the Situation in Ukraine.

[Robert W]

Heirguardsmen

No braver than the Preppy Pipsqueaks' fake service during the Vietnam War. When birth privileges extend to a matter of life and death, they must all be abolished.

Few Americans served in Vietnam during that war. I for instance served in Germany and not in Vietnam. Because the Army sent me to Europe.

 

[AntonToo]

Zelenskky wants Nato and the US to fight his war for him.

Zelensky made no such demands in negotiations, you are posting blatant bullshit.

Zelensky's demand was security guarantees to ensure lasting peace.

 

[AntonToo]

Zelenskky had a deal that would ensure he still had a Nation to govern.

No he didn't.

A deal with Russia without security guarantees is not worth the paper it is written on. Russia would simply re-invade whenever it felt like.

 

[AntonToo]

5. Zelensky made several errors in this conflict, like not agreeing to peace in Istanbul

There was no peace deal in Istanbul, there was an offer for Ukraine to capitulate.

 

[Zavulon]

There was no peace deal in Istanbul, there was an offer for Ukraine to capitulate.

And it was good and real. Now the terms of capitulation will be much worse (say nothing about thousands of killed Ukrainians).

 

[Zavulon]

No he didn't.

A deal with Russia without security guarantees is not worth the paper it is written on. Russia would simply re-invade whenever it felt like.

Yes, of course. And it would be his job to avoid provocations and build the society of equal rights and equal safety for everyone, without Banderlogs and discrimination.

 

[BlackSand]

That is a straight up lie.

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How do you figure that ... Do you know what conscripted soldiers are ...
Ukraine passed a law lowering the Conscript age from 27 to 25 ... "in an effort to replenish their ranks".​

Ukraine's parliament passes law to boost much-needed conscripts as war drags on

The lawmakers passed the controversial law that will govern how the country calls up new soldiers at a time it needs to replenish depleted forces.

www.latimes.com

President Zelensky also indicated he would be moving prewar conscripts into the Reserves after two years of fighting.​

Ukraine's Zelenskiy Issues Decree On Discharging Prewar Conscripts

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy issued a decree on March 7 providing for prewar conscripts still serving in the two-year-old war against Russia to be discharged into Ukraine's reserves within the next two months.

www.rferl.org

However ... President Zelensky has started refusing the idea of conscripting more soldier ...
But that just means he is going to run out manpower ... ​

Zelensky’s refusal to conscript more men has torpedoed his relationship with Washington

Ukrainian president warns the Biden administration that ‘the priority should be providing missiles and lowering Russia’s military potential’

www.telegraph.co.uk

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[AntonToo]

Yes, of course. And it would be his job to avoid provocations

Thats another way of saying that Ukraine will be forced to do whatever Putin wants them to OR ELSE.

Ukrainians will never accept a peace deal that leaves them living under Putin's boot like that.

 

[Zavulon]

Thats another way of saying that Ukraine will be forced to do whatever Putin wants them to OR ELSE.

Yep. So what?

Ukrainians will never accept a peace deal that leaves them living under Putin's boot like that.

Don't you tell for all Ukrainians. Most of Ukrainians definitely prefer living under Putin's boot to dying under NATO's boot. (And even if some of them prefer to die, they can do it without American money).

 

[AntonToo]

Most of Ukrainians definitely prefer living under Putin's boot to dying under NATO's boot.

Thank you token Russian citizen.

You are doing a great job explaining to useful idiots around here all the insane shit that goes on in your Russian TV fed head.

 

[Robert W]

No he didn't.

A deal with Russia without security guarantees is not worth the paper it is written on. Russia would simply re-invade whenever it felt like.

You put a lot of trust in Putin.

 

[Robert W]

Thank you token Russian citizen.

You are doing a great job explaining to useful idiots around here all the insane shit that goes on in your Russian TV fed head.

You trust Putin!!!!

 

[AntonToo]

You put a lot of trust in Putin.

What you've quoted means exactly OPPOSITE of trusting Putin. You are just too clueless to understand that.

Security Guarantees means that Ukraine has adequate military support as deterrence against any future attack by Putin.

 

[Zavulon]

Thank you token Russian citizen.

You are doing a great job explaining to useful idiots around here all the insane shit that goes on in your Russian TV fed head.

No problem. And to make the things plain - whatever are "security guarantees" of yours (from mighty Lithuanian Army to multimegaton nuclear bomb) they won't deter Russia from next invasion if the Ukes are really provocative, but they'll definitely drug you into the serious problems.
Russia will invade with or without guarantees. But with guarantees America will be in deep troubles.

 

[Zavulon]

What you've quoted means exactly OPPOSITE of trusting Putin. You are just too clueless to understand that.

Security Guarantees means that Ukraine has adequate military support as deterrence against any future attack by Putin.

No. Significant military support is the thing that will make Putin (or anyone else on his position) attack Ukraine.

 

[skye]

Has this been posted?

Bless President Trump!

BREAKING: President Trump Officially Halts All Weapon Sales to Ukraine​

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31 minutes ago

BREAKING: President Trump Officially Halts All Weapon Sales to Ukraine | WLT Report

President Trump has just officially ended all weapons sales to Ukraine. Our nation will no longer be using taxpayer money to fund new weapon purchases for the Ukrainian war.

wltreport.com

 

[JoeB131]

You were in our Army. And you think when Biden slow walked weapons to Zelensky he was all in for Zelensky? Don't you recall Zelensky coming to the USA and begging for weapons to ward off Russia and Biden saying Nyet? Ukraine helped itself a lot by manufacturing it's own Drones and those have kicked Russia's ass. Biden had to spend time with Zelensky begging him.

Guy, Biden isn't the issue here.

It's Trump now selling them down the river.

Litigating what Biden did or didn't do (seems that he did pretty good, given how badly beaten back the Russians were) is kind of pointless.

New rule... No more 'But, but, but, Biden."

Everything that happens from here on out is on Trump.

Okay?

 

[skye]

More about the halt of weapons to Ukraine

Amazing!!!!

"The Trump administration has stopped financing new weapons sales to Ukraine and is considering freezing weapons shipments from U.S. stockpiles, moves that threaten Kyiv’s ability to fight at a critical time in its battle against Russian forces, current and former U.S. officials said.

The financing was halted in recent weeks amid the administration’s freeze on foreign aid. But the move to potentially shut down the main pipeline for arms transfers to Ukraine comes days after a contentious meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House. The tense exchange Friday raised fears across Europe that the U.S. could be moving away from the wider Western alliance."

 

[mudwhistle]

They couldn't care less. Jesus 2.0™ hates him, so they hate him.

The Ukraine war isn't Putin's fault. He's the victim 'n stuff.

From what I've been reading, NATO has been inching closer and closer to Russia's borders for 2 decades even though they signed an agreement never to do so. Russia doesn't want short range missiles able to hit their cities.

 

[TimFitz]

Keep dreaming.

This is false propaganda from Europe and from socialist Democrats.

But you keep lying to yourself about it.

Lies is all you have.

To you, not taking sides is the same as being Putin's stooge.

You know where you can shove that ridiculous BS.

I don’t know about propoganda or socialist Democrats. I don’t keep up with stupid right wing labels.

Trump has been taking Russia’s side, and debasing himself before Putin for nearly a decade.