A message from a Mexican to The USA

[Correll]

You fly down Mezko way and overstay your return ticket and within a couple months or so you'll get a visit and an escort.
Down here it's about 3 months overstay but when you go to exit you better have $300 cash for your ignoring the Visa requirement. If you want to hang over the 90 days you can call immigration and tell them why(working on your place, medical-dental stuff, waiting on a cheaper flight) and they'll either give you a confirmation # or say u GTFO in under 72 hours

What mexicans do in their own country is of no concern to me- however, if you can produce evidence that their Declaration of Independence has a similar philosophy, then they too are hypocrites, just like many here- which does what?

Your refusal to discuss the reality of the issue of borders and illegal immigration, is not good.

He cannot discuss the reality of the issue with a poster like you who is out of touch with reality and afraid to engage in honest discourse. Maybe Gdjjr sees how these exchanges end with that multi quote B.S. and I can almost guarantee he isn't reading the exchanges between you and I - nor is anyone else. So, why engage in a waste of bandwidth?

Someone made a comment on how Mexico, the nation that is mostly the problem with the INVASION of the US, deals with overstays,


and he refused to discuss it. It had nothing to do with me.

 

[Gdjjr]

He cannot discuss the reality of the issue with a poster like you who is out of touch with reality and afraid to engage in honest discourse. Maybe Gdjjr sees how these exchanges end with that multi quote B.S. and I can almost guarantee he isn't reading the exchanges between you and I - nor is anyone else. So, why engage in a waste of bandwidth?

Actually, I've read them all- I'll admit I don't read all the multi-quote stuff if it's very long. But, I will do multi-quote myself on one or two setences or paragraphs-

I've read them all because I respect your knowledge-

 

[Gdjjr]

and he refused to discuss it. It had nothing to do with me.

He? I replied to his posit-

What mexicans do in their own country is of no concern to me- however, if you can produce evidence that their Declaration of Independence has a similar philosophy, then they too are hypocrites, just like many here- which does what?

 

[Gdjjr]

NO ONE not an American citizen has a right to come here.

Can you provide evidence of that? UNalienable rights have no citizenship caveat- INalienable rights are whatever the godvernment says they are. UNalienable rights was the philosophy THIS Country was founded on- was being key- nanny statist (look in the mirror) have proven, up to the highest "official" they don't- group think has won the day- independence has been bastardized into co-dependence-
Is that a road you really want to go down? I have to guess it is since I've asked you, numerous times, if you believe in UNalienable rights and, guess what? YOU refuse to answer.

 

[Correll]

You fly down Mezko way and overstay your return ticket and within a couple months or so you'll get a visit and an escort.
Down here it's about 3 months overstay but when you go to exit you better have $300 cash for your ignoring the Visa requirement. If you want to hang over the 90 days you can call immigration and tell them why(working on your place, medical-dental stuff, waiting on a cheaper flight) and they'll either give you a confirmation # or say u GTFO in under 72 hours

What mexicans do in their own country is of no concern to me- however, if you can produce evidence that their Declaration of Independence has a similar philosophy, then they too are hypocrites, just like many here- which does what?

Your refusal to discuss the reality of the issue of borders and illegal immigration, is not good.

He cannot discuss the reality of the issue with a poster like you who is out of touch with reality and afraid to engage in honest discourse. Maybe Gdjjr sees how these exchanges end with that multi quote B.S. and I can almost guarantee he isn't reading the exchanges between you and I - nor is anyone else. So, why engage in a waste of bandwidth?

If you post a long post, and I don't address a point, you will count is an a concession, will you not?

 

[Correll]

and he refused to discuss it. It had nothing to do with me.

He? I replied to his posit-

What mexicans do in their own country is of no concern to me- however, if you can produce evidence that their Declaration of Independence has a similar philosophy, then they too are hypocrites, just like many here- which does what?

Saying it is of no concern to you, is not, imo, discussing it.

 

[Correll]

NO ONE not an American citizen has a right to come here.

Can you provide evidence of that? UNalienable rights have no citizenship caveat-...

Evidence? What type of evidence would you accept?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You fly down Mezko way and overstay your return ticket and within a couple months or so you'll get a visit and an escort.
Down here it's about 3 months overstay but when you go to exit you better have $300 cash for your ignoring the Visa requirement. If you want to hang over the 90 days you can call immigration and tell them why(working on your place, medical-dental stuff, waiting on a cheaper flight) and they'll either give you a confirmation # or say u GTFO in under 72 hours

What mexicans do in their own country is of no concern to me- however, if you can produce evidence that their Declaration of Independence has a similar philosophy, then they too are hypocrites, just like many here- which does what?

Your refusal to discuss the reality of the issue of borders and illegal immigration, is not good.

He cannot discuss the reality of the issue with a poster like you who is out of touch with reality and afraid to engage in honest discourse. Maybe Gdjjr sees how these exchanges end with that multi quote B.S. and I can almost guarantee he isn't reading the exchanges between you and I - nor is anyone else. So, why engage in a waste of bandwidth?

If you post a long post, and I don't address a point, you will count is an a concession, will you not?

Correll, I'm trying to understand you, not play games. Now, if you don't understand the difference between long multi - quotes (requiring readers to go back and forth between posts and spend their time figuring out what is being said) and paragraphs that blend together to explain a point, then you aren't smart enough to be in a real conversation. After seeing some things you posted elsewhere, I have most of the answers I need to address your specific issue.

 

[MaryL]

Nobody is above the law. Accept poor poor Mexican illegals and those that exploit them and use PACs to manipulate the political system to their benefit. Sanctuary cities weren't created by fiat, or popular referendums either. Is this a democracy or do the wealthy and their little PACs and rule the roost?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Nobody is above the law. Accept poor poor Mexican illegals and those that exploit them and use PACs to manipulate the political system to their benefit. Sanctuary cities weren't created by fiat, or popular referendums either. Is this a democracy or do the wealthy and their little PACs and rule the roost?

You're another of those liars that makes me want to vomit. Sanctuary cities were created by the right wing via the Printz decision in the United States Supreme Court.

Sanctuary protects local and state governments from enforcing federal laws, especially when the locals and states believe that the federal laws are unconstitutional. You know this MaryL. You've been told more than ten times. But, like a good little Democrat, you are here to see how many of these misinformed nutjobs will agree with you.

If you had your way, you would do away with Sanctuary (though you'll need a constitutional amendment to get it done) and when gun confiscations are ordered by the federal government, gun owners would be pursued by the police and military in violation of the separation of powers of our Constitution. But, what the Hell. It's just a G D piece of paper as George Bush said. You need to read the Constitution. You, Correll, and that other troll need remedial courses in basic civics. The three of you are more of a danger to the cause of Liberty than the balance of liberal Democrats you prostitute for.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

then you aren't smart enough to be in a real conversation.

Wrong of course, the truth is established with short Socratic questions and answers not long rants and references to other posts and websites. Any child can say, look at this rant website and post to see that I am right.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

then you aren't smart enough to be in a real conversation.

Wrong of course, the truth is established with short Socratic questions and answers not long rants and references to other posts and websites. Any child can say, look at this rant website and post to see that I am right.

Anything over four words long is a "rant" to your dumb ass. You're another in that line of dipwad, nonthinking dumbasses that we have to suffer in order to post here. If we took the whole lot of you and turned your brains into dynamite, we couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose. You act as though you stalled out in the second grade. Being nice to you didn't work and quite frankly, I'm sick of you. If you can't handle ten paragraphs, you need to keep your dumb ass on Twitter. You look like another Democrat, getting your popularity licks in when you think I'm down. And now, ladies and gentlemen, Edith will want to rehash this same post over at least ten times before she gets the message. The words and sentiment are not going to change.

Back in the days of Moses, the people reverted back to worshiping the Golden Calf while Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments. Today, we have a generation wherein most were born just as they started taking God out of the public schools, getting rid of Nativity scenes and so forth. And what are the masses doing today? Worshiping the Golden Donald Trump. History just keeps repeating itself.

 

[80zephyr]

How much would it take to change your attitude. Lets ask a hypothetical question. Lets say a Democratic president believed in open borders, and he pledged to bring a billion people to the US. Would you agree with that?

Mark

Answer my question- that will maybe change my attitude- I don't subscribe to ANY political Party. I despise group think in religion and politics as both demand compliance to a dogma- I am an INDIVIDUAL libertarian- I think for myself. I draw conclusions based on my beliefs and issue examination of how a whatever will effect Liberty- Period. My fundamental beliefs is that ALL men are created equal and have certain UNalienable rights. Unalienable rights are inherent- they cannot be taken or granted-

NOW! What do you believe?????

Why am i being asked this? Sure, we have rights. But, do others have a right to trample my own rights? Now, answer my question please.

Mark

What Rights do you have that are being trampled on?

The right of the people not to have their money stolen to fund others. The right to a decent wage devoid of hoards of illegal competition, for starters.

Now, I have answered your question, answer mine: Lets say a Democratic president believed in open borders, and he pledged to bring a billion people to the US. Would you agree with that?

Mark

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How much would it take to change your attitude. Lets ask a hypothetical question. Lets say a Democratic president believed in open borders, and he pledged to bring a billion people to the US. Would you agree with that?

Mark

Answer my question- that will maybe change my attitude- I don't subscribe to ANY political Party. I despise group think in religion and politics as both demand compliance to a dogma- I am an INDIVIDUAL libertarian- I think for myself. I draw conclusions based on my beliefs and issue examination of how a whatever will effect Liberty- Period. My fundamental beliefs is that ALL men are created equal and have certain UNalienable rights. Unalienable rights are inherent- they cannot be taken or granted-

NOW! What do you believe?????

Why am i being asked this? Sure, we have rights. But, do others have a right to trample my own rights? Now, answer my question please.

Mark

What Rights do you have that are being trampled on?

The right of the people not to have their money stolen to fund others. The right to a decent wage devoid of hoards of illegal competition, for starters.

Now, I have answered your question, answer mine: Lets say a Democratic president believed in open borders, and he pledged to bring a billion people to the US. Would you agree with that?

Mark

It is already illegal to steal money to fund others, but I find it odd that you make the other argument. The Anti- Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters advocate for that very thing. As we keep talking about, one of the great hallmarks of our Republic is the Right to own private property. Yet the Anti Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters think they have a Right to a job created in the private sector. WTH, dude??? That is socialism.

I have asked the APMs WHEN America was great. They all pretty much agree that it was prior to the mid 1960s. What happened then? Busing, affirmative action, racial quotas, forcing employers to hire unqualified people because people have a Right to the job the private employer created. Back then, it used to be an insult in White America to live off the government. The older people would say that "he thinks the world owes him a living" when someone acts like these welfare riding whiners of today do.

Now, let's say some Democrat did pledge to bring a billion - and let's make them NONWHITE PEOPLE INTO THE UNITED STATES.

NEWS FLASH! What in the Hell do you think do you think I've been complaining about for WEEKS now?????? That is EXACTLY what my dumb ass critics are advocating for. They are too freaking stupid to read the immigration laws that were passed by the Democrats in the 1960s and too damn blind to see that the Democrats proposed solutions that were intended to implode on America. The current immigration laws were intended to make the Whites a minority in the United States. You preach at me like I'm the one with some stupid ass idea about allowing hordes of people flood the border, but if you were intelligent enough to have read this thread, I'm the only swinging soul out there pointing out that what you are accusing me of doing is EXACTLY what the Anti - Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters are doing!

There are about six or eight uneducated dolts that post here daily who deny history, the law and reality in their wall worship and thinking Trump is Jesus incarnate. Yet, when you look at what they are promoting, it does exactly what you accuse me of. The irony is, back in the 1990s through early 2000s we had this war won before these kind of brain dead sheeple jumped on the Nazi bandwagon with untenable proposals that have increased the size, power, and scope of government; taken away our Rights; they have given the country over to the third world and you bitch at me because they're idiots. You need to wake the Hell up, put on your big boy pants and figure it out. YOU GOT PLAYED. And if you take the time to READ this thread, you can find the facts. The fact is, the APMs - Anti Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters have accomplished for the Democrats what the Dems couldn't do for themselves and IF YOU READ THE THREADS, the APMs openly admit that the window is rapidly closing... a window the APMs built. Could they be any more screwed up!

 

[Denizen]

The majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who arrived without prior approval.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who arrived without prior approval.

Unalienable Rights supersede man made laws. Citizenship is a privilege granted by government. Liberty means that we, the people, by our own acts decide who comes and goes while the Constitution lays out who has the authority to lay out the uniform Rule of Naturalization. At no time does the Constitution give Congress any authority to do any more than lay out that Rule of Naturalization. The rest is under the control of we, the people.

If you elect politicians that give freebies to non-citizens and allow non-citizens to share in the benefits, immunities, and privileges of citizenship, it is on the voters, not anyone else.

 

[Denizen]

Mexicans were in what became the USA millennia before the ancestors of current US white racist bigots.

Mexicans Didn't Immigrate To America -- We've Always Been Here

Mexicans Didn't Immigrate To America -- We've Always Been Here

Guest commentary curated by Forbes Opinion. Avik Roy, Opinion Editor.
POST WRITTEN BY
Pedro Garza

Pedro Garza served as a First Lieutenant during the Vietnam War and is now a retired federal government executive.
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I can trace my ancestry to La Grulla, a small community just west of McAllen, on the Texas side of the Rio Grande. My ancestors settled there in the 1830s -- a decade before Texas became a state. They pre-date the ancestors of most current Texans.

Of course, when my family settled in La Grulla, it was part of Mexico. They became residents of the United States after the U.S. government was given their land -- or stole it, depending on your point of view -- in 1848.

My family settled in what is now the United States decades before President Trump's ancestors arrived. In other words, we "Mexicans" did not immigrate to the United States. We lived on U.S. land before it was U.S. land. And we're not going away.

The chanting of "Build that Wall" at Trump campaign rallies and in our schools was disappointing. Even more insulting was Trump's accusation that Mexican immigrants are "criminals and rapists."

But these are only the latest salvos in the U.S. government's centuries-long track record of anti-Mexican sentiment.

A little history. In the early 1800s, with a passion for expansionism fueled by Manifest Destiny, the United States craved a passage to the Pacific Ocean -- and by extension, the shipping routes to Asia.

But Mexico inconveniently stood in the way. So the United States invaded. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the two-year Mexican-American War in 1848 and ceded present-day Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming to the United States.

The United States realized its "destiny" and secured its pathway to the Pacific. But it also inherited the hundreds of thousands of Native Americans and millions of Mexicans who had long lived on that land.

It was an immigration problem of the U.S. government's own making.

The U.S. Army responded to Native Americans with involuntary removals and reservations. From 1864 to 1866, nearly 10,000 Navajo and Apache people were forced to walk 450 miles to a camp in eastern New Mexico. The reservation didn't have adequate shelter or food. Over 2,300 Navajo and Apache died before the Army allowed survivors to move back home.

Dealing with the much larger group of Mexicans -- many of them landowners, office-holders, entrepreneurs, lawyers, bankers and members of the clergy -- was more complex. The government couldn't consign them to reservations.

Their customs, language, traditions, values, culture, food and communities all became part of who we are as a nation -- whether the U.S. government liked it or not.

But the U.S. government still did its best to make its newest citizens foreigners in their own land and unwelcome in their own country. Congress passed the Homestead Act in 1862, allowing Americans to apply for Western land in exchange for farming on it -- taking land that belonged to Mexicans.

Later, during the Great Depression, the United States deported almost 2 million Mexicans. More than half of them were U.S. citizens.

Despite this history of bigotry, discrimination and exclusion, we're still here, contributing to American society and the economy. Latinos have $1.5 trillion in purchasing power. Latino-owned businesses were responsible for 86% of small business growth from 2007 to 2012. That means we created a whole lot of jobs, for Latinos and non-Latinos alike.

And there is no wall high enough or long enough to exclude us from this country's future. By 2060, one in four Americans is projected to be Hispanic. We're not confined to our ancestral home in the Great Southwest. The fastest-growing Latino communities are in North Dakota, Alabama, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, South Dakota and Utah.

President Trump is seeking to close the stable door a century and a half after the horse has bolted. Mexicans are here -- in our homeland -- to stay. Nearly 33 million Latinos were born in this country. We were here before many of our fellow citizens arrived. And a fence, a wall, a moat, or a river will serve only to keep us in, not out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who arrived without prior approval.

None of them were immigrants. They were settlers in an undefined land mass. Now if you want to say that today's invaders are settlers seeking to take this land and fashion their own country I have to agree with you. That is exactly what they think and why they should be stopped by all means possible.

 

[Gdjjr]

Lets say a Democratic president believed in open borders, and he pledged to bring a billion people to the US. Would you agree with that?

While you're trying to absorb what's been written, add this to the list-

You want to speculate- let's say you believed this Truth, this Life philosophy, with all your heart and soul

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and th epursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,


Would you try to live it? Or, would you prefer godvernment tell you how, when and where you have "certain unalienable rights"?