A History of Lesbianism

[California Girl]

For California Girl:

Am I a Lesbian?

Disappointing.

There is a 7% chance that you are a lesbian.

Go find a guy! Your score indicates that you do not share the interest or characteristic profile (including those which have been scientifically measured) of most lesbians.

I failed the test.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Sky, I have another question.

In the past few minutes, in another thread, I was informed that I am a lesbian. Now, I have no problem with that - except that it is technically not true but whatever... So, my question is... if I can't answer any of the questions on the 'Lesbian Test' above, can I still be a lesbian?

LOL. That is funny. Do you want me to vouch for you?

CALIFORNIA GIRL IS NOT A LESBIAN!

signed, sky, obnoxious lesbian poster.

I OUGHT TO KNOW I'VE GOT GAYDAR!

On the bright side, there are a couple of "men" on this forum that would certainly make me consider lesbianism as an option.

The absolute BEST thing about being a man is that you don't have to try dating men.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Femme or Butch Lesbian

 

[California Girl]

LOL. That is funny. Do you want me to vouch for you?

CALIFORNIA GIRL IS NOT A LESBIAN!

signed, sky, obnoxious lesbian poster.

I OUGHT TO KNOW I'VE GOT GAYDAR!

On the bright side, there are a couple of "men" on this forum that would certainly make me consider lesbianism as an option.

The absolute BEST thing about being a man is that you don't have to try dating men.

Some of you are pretty damned cool. But the ones that aren't.... man, they really are a test of patience.

 

[AVG-JOE]

For California Girl:

Am I a Lesbian?

Disappointing.

There is a 7% chance that you are a lesbian.

Go find a guy! Your score indicates that you do not share the interest or characteristic profile (including those which have been scientifically measured) of most lesbians.

I failed the test.

I got a 'C'.

There is a 74% chance that you are a lesbian.


There is a better than average probability you are a lesbian based on your personal characteristics and interests. You should definitely do more reading and research into the subject.

I'm going to have to study harder. Perhaps I should find a study partner!

 

[California Girl]

Femme or Butch Lesbian

Man, I just completely suck at this!

You are 43% Femme

Sporty butch. Best of both sides. You look great, smell great and know how to treat the ladies! My favorite!

I'm neither a girly girl, or butch bitch.

 

[AVG-JOE]

And yes - I checked 'Male' for gender.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Lipstick Lesbian: A feminine woman who is attracted to other feminine women.

Femme: A feminine woman who is attracted to masculine women, or "butches".

Chapstick Lesbian: A Lesbian who is not butch or femme in style, but rather somewhere in between. Sometimes mistaken for soccer moms or people who like granola a lot.

Sapphist: A Lesbian of culture and refinement.

Lesbian Chic: When straight people marvel over stylish dykes.

Diesel Femme: A feminine Lesbian who fixes her own car.

Fem2Fem: A Lipstick Lesbian couple.

Lipstick Butch: A Lesbian who is feminine in appearance and masculine in personality.

High Femme: A femme who dresses very femininely: high heels, makeup, skirts, etc.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Myths About Lipstick Lesbians

MYTH: They are trying to look like straight women.
FACT: Can we help it if straight women copy us?

MYTH: They're attracted to butch Lesbians.
FACT: Technically, that would be a "femme". Properly, "lipstick Lesbians" are feminine women who are into other feminine women.

MYTH: They're actually straight women who are experimenting.
FACT: A straight woman who is experimenting is called "a straight woman who is experimenting". A lipstick Lesbian is a Lesbian and proud of it.

MYTH: They've been brainwashed by the patriarchy.
FACT: Lipstick Lesbians are being true to themselves by wearing feminine clothes and makeup. The gay community upholds the right of gay men to be feminine; why should women be forced to settle for fewer options in the gay community, of all places?

MYTH: They are trying to attract men.
FACT: Ick.

MYTH: It takes more guts to be a butch dyke than a lipstick Lesbian.
FACT: Maybe in some cases, but I for one have had to fight literally since toddlerhood for the right to wear female clothing. All the adults in my life were constantly haranguing me to wear ugly pants and cut my hair off and play sports, and my classmates ridiculed me for wearing pretty dresses. Because I was the only girl in fourth grade who wore skirts, the school called my parents and told them - get this - that I was confused about my sexual identity. And since I've come out, I've had to put up with endless flak for not dressing exactly like all the other dykes.

MYTH: Only superficial people take trouble with their appearance.
FACT: Taking trouble with your appearance shows both self-respect and consideration for those who have to look at you.

 

[California Girl]

Lipstick Lesbian: A feminine woman who is attracted to other feminine women.

Femme: A feminine woman who is attracted to masculine women, or "butches".

Chapstick Lesbian: A Lesbian who is not butch or femme in style, but rather somewhere in between. Sometimes mistaken for soccer moms or people who like granola a lot.

Sapphist: A Lesbian of culture and refinement.

Lesbian Chic: When straight people marvel over stylish dykes.

Diesel Femme: A feminine Lesbian who fixes her own car.

Fem2Fem: A Lipstick Lesbian couple.

Lipstick Butch: A Lesbian who is feminine in appearance and masculine in personality.

High Femme: A femme who dresses very femininely: high heels, makeup, skirts, etc.

You know way too much about this, Sky. Are you sure you're not gay?

 

[Sky Dancer]

Lipstick Lesbian: A feminine woman who is attracted to other feminine women.

Femme: A feminine woman who is attracted to masculine women, or "butches".

Chapstick Lesbian: A Lesbian who is not butch or femme in style, but rather somewhere in between. Sometimes mistaken for soccer moms or people who like granola a lot.

Sapphist: A Lesbian of culture and refinement.

Lesbian Chic: When straight people marvel over stylish dykes.

Diesel Femme: A feminine Lesbian who fixes her own car.

Fem2Fem: A Lipstick Lesbian couple.

Lipstick Butch: A Lesbian who is feminine in appearance and masculine in personality.

High Femme: A femme who dresses very femininely: high heels, makeup, skirts, etc.

You know way too much about this, Sky. Are you sure you're not gay?

I've been watching too much L Word, LOL.

I miss Inferno. We used to really like to play on here and rile people up. At the height of our insanity we both had our avies banned.

 

[California Girl]

Yea, it's from a set of books that teach kids about the different kinds of 'families'. It combats anti-homophobic bullying. It doesn't teach kids to be gay.

Your hysteria and faux outrage is entertaining though.

spoken like a true lesbian !! what the hell do kids know about sex at that age ??

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yea, it's from a set of books that teach kids about the different kinds of 'families'. It combats anti-homophobic bullying. It doesn't teach kids to be gay.

Your hysteria and faux outrage is entertaining though.

spoken like a true lesbian !! what the hell do kids know about sex at that age ??

Yidnar is still in puppet land, he hasn't advanced to sexuality yet.

 

[California Girl]

spoken like a true lesbian !! what the hell do kids know about sex at that age ??

Yidnar is still in puppet land, he hasn't advanced to sexuality yet.

He is one of the guys that I referred to... I'd definitely prefer a female.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yidnar is still in puppet land, he hasn't advanced to sexuality yet.

He is one of the guys that I referred to... I'd definitely prefer a female.

I know a few cuties, I could definitely hook you up.

 

[westwall]

Famous Gays and Lesbians in History

Sappho (600 B.C.) Greek Poetess

Socrates (470-399 B.C.) Greek Teacher and Philosopher

Plato (427-347 B.C.) Greek Teacher and Philosopher

Alexander The Great (356-323 B.C.) Macedonian King and Military Leader

Wu (140-87 B.C.) Chinese Emperor

Hadrian (76-138 A.D.) Roman Emperor

Richard the Lion Hearted (1157-1199) English King and Crusader

Edward II (1254-1327) English King

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) Italian Renaissance Artist, Teacher, Scientist and Inventor

Michelangelo (1475-1564) Italian Renaissance Artist and Sculptor

Montezuma II (1480-1520) Aztec Emperor

Julius III (1487-1555) Catholic Pope

Ieyasu Tokugawa (1542-1616) Japanese Shogun and founder of the Edo Shogunate

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626) British Statesman and Writer

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet

Christina (1626-1689) Swedish Queen

Peter the Great (1672-1725) Russian Czar (pictured at left)

Frederick the Great (1712-1786) Prussian King and Military Leader

Madame de Stael (1766-1817) French Writer and Intellectual

Lord Byron (1788-1824) British Poet

Hans Christian Andersen (1805-1875) Danish Poet and Writer

Margaret Fuller (1810-1850) Euro-American Writer and Journalist

Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) Euro-American Philosopher, Naturalist, and Peace Activist

Walt Whitman (1819-1892) Euro-American Poet

Herman Melville (1819-1891) Euro-American Writer

Chief Crazy Horse (Tashunca witco) (1849-1877) Oglala Sioux Chief

Peter I. Tchaikovsky (1840-1893) Russian Composer (pictured at right)

Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish Writer and Dramatist

Dame Ethel Smyth (1858-1944) British Composer, Writer, and Activist

Marcel Proust (1871-1922) French Writer

Sergei Diaghileff (1872-1929) Russian Ballet Impresario

Vita Sackville-West (1892-1962) British Writer

Vaslav Nijinsky (1890-1950) Russian Ballet Dancer

Edward Carpenter (1844-1929) British Author and Gay Rights Pioneer

Willa Cather (1873-1947) Euro-American Writer and Critic

Colette (1873-1954) French Writer and Actress

W. Somerset Maugham (1874-1965) British Writer and Dramatist

Alice B. Toklas (1877-1967) Euro-American Writer; Stein's Domestic Partner

Gertrude Stein (1874-1946) Euro-American Writer and Art Collector (pictured at right, photo by Carl Van Vechten); Toklas' Domestic Partner

Bessie Smith (1894-1937) African-American Blues Singer and Entertainer

E.M. Forster (1879-1970) British Writer

Virginia Woolf (1882-1941) British Writer and Publisher

Ernst Rohm (1887-1933) German Nazi and SA Leader

T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) (1888-1935) British Soldier

Jean Cocteau (1889-1963) French Writer and Filmmaker

John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) British Economist and Nobel Prize Winner

Cole Porter (1893-1964) Euro-American Composer

Bayard Rustin (1910-87) African-American Civil Rights, Labor Rights, & Peace Activist/Leader

Alan Turing (1912-1954) British Mathematician and Computer Scientist

James Baldwin (1924-1987) African-American Writer and Civil Rights Activist

Truman Capote (1924-1984) Euro-American Author

Tennessee Williams (1914-1983) Euro-American Dramatist

Marguerite Yourcenar (1903-1987) Belgian-American Writer

Federico Garcia Lorca (1894-1936) Spanish Poet and Dramatist

Christopher Isherwood (1904-1986) British Author

W.H. Auden (1907-1973) British Poet and Writer

Harvey Milk (1930-1978) Euro-American Politician

Audre Lorde (1934-1992) African-American Writer and Activist

Billie Jean King (1943 - ) Euro-American Tennis Champion and Activist

Martina Navratilova (1956- ) Czechoslovakian-American Tennis Champion and Activist

Andy Warhol (1930-1987) Euro-American Pop Artist

Frieda Kahlo (1907-1954) Mexican Artist and Activist

Gore Vidal (1925- ) Euro-American Writer

Rudolf Nureyev (1938-1993) Russian dancer The Rudolf Nureyev Foundation

Freddie Mercury (1946-1991) British Singer/songwriter/musician

Elton John (1947 - ) British Singer/songwriter/musican

Janis Ian (1951 - ) Euro-American Singer/songwriter/musician

Nathan Lane (1956 - ) Euro-American Actor

Ellen Degeneres (1958 - ) Euro-American Comedian/actor

Melissa Etheridge (1961 - ) Euro-American Singer/songwriter/musician (pictured at right) Click here for a sample of Melissa's music from her official website. Requires Real Player

k. d. lang (1961 - ) Canadian Singer/songwriter

Gays and Lesbians in History

The ancient greeks you listed were actually bi-sexual.

 

[California Girl]

Yidnar is still in puppet land, he hasn't advanced to sexuality yet.

He is one of the guys that I referred to... I'd definitely prefer a female.

I know a few cuties, I could definitely hook you up.

Right now, I'm dating a seriously hawt one... male.

But, I'm gonna bookmark this for consideration.

 

[Sky Dancer]

He is one of the guys that I referred to... I'd definitely prefer a female.

I know a few cuties, I could definitely hook you up.

Right now, I'm dating a seriously hawt one... male.

But, I'm gonna bookmark this for consideration.

I was kidding you. But thanks for letting me know your edge.

 

[kwc57]

I don't give a flying fuck who they like to pork, I consider them people like anyone else. Your sexuality should never define you as a person as it is simply one small facet of your life.

Sexuality doesn't really define anyone. The point is that gays and lesbians have lived closeted lives for most of history. That is changing. We are being known in our truth.

What the hell does that mean? You point out famous people who are gay as opposed to all who are not and then say that your sexuality doesn't define you. You're talking out both sides of your mouth. Look, I have noting against lesbians or gays. My sister is a lesbian and my best friend is gay. But I see THEM when I look at them just like anyone else. I don't think about them as having sex with same sex people anymore than I think about hetero's having sex with the opposite sex when I'm having a conversation with them. You can't point out somebody's sexuality and then say it isn't important. You either want to be treated like everyone else or you don't.......and when you have to make a point of it publically, then you want to be treated differently.

 

[kwc57]

I don't give a flying fuck who they like to pork, I consider them people like anyone else. Your sexuality should never define you as a person as it is simply one small facet of your life.

I grew up in OKC/Moore ok 1961-1985

Cool. Southside boy since 57.