A History Mystery: Roosevelt- Why Lie?

[PoliticalChic]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Economy worse than the 7 Biblical lean Years, 20% Average UE, which only dropped to 14% when Hitler conquered France = Happy Days, Here Again!

That one never gets old...

Are you denying it?

Put your big boy pants on and produce a defense of Roosevelt if you can.

Debate always welcome.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If doing nothing should have fixed it, then why did Hoover's move off hands off not correct the situation? He really had 4 years to prove the point...

What???

Post #4 is a clear description of what Roosevelt could have, should have, and promised to do.


I dare you to comment on it.


Or.....explain why Roosevelt lied.

 

[Moonglow]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Economy worse than the 7 Biblical lean Years, 20% Average UE, which only dropped to 14% when Hitler conquered France = Happy Days, Here Again!

That one never gets old...

Are you denying it?

Put your big boy pants on and produce a defense of Roosevelt if you can.

Debate always welcome.

I am not married to you, so I have no need to debate the same subject, over and over again...

 

[Moonglow]

If doing nothing should have fixed it, then why did Hoover's move off hands off not correct the situation? He really had 4 years to prove the point...

What???

Post #4 is a clear description of what Roosevelt could have, should have, and promised to do.


I dare you to comment on it.


Or.....explain why Roosevelt lied.

Why did Hoover fail?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Economy worse than the 7 Biblical lean Years, 20% Average UE, which only dropped to 14% when Hitler conquered France = Happy Days, Here Again!

That one never gets old...

Are you denying it?

Put your big boy pants on and produce a defense of Roosevelt if you can.

Debate always welcome.

I am not married to you, so I have no need to debate the same subject, over and over again...

"I am not married to you,..."
And don't think I don't offer a pray of gratitude each day!



But....we both know you'd love to be able to dispute what I post.....you simply don't have the ability.

Nor is it the same each day....but there is sooooo much you don't know about Roosevelt.
I need to disabuse you of your ignorance.

The beatings will continue until enlightenment ensues.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If doing nothing should have fixed it, then why did Hoover's move off hands off not correct the situation? He really had 4 years to prove the point...

What???

Post #4 is a clear description of what Roosevelt could have, should have, and promised to do.


I dare you to comment on it.


Or.....explain why Roosevelt lied.

Why did Hoover fail?

You don't read carefully, do you.

This, from the OP:
2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. For context, and to highlight what an abysmal failure--and liar--- Roosevelt was as the manager of the economy, note:

a. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. "If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years. Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933. " Fee, Op.Cit.




5. Roosevelt ran for election, and promised the public, to reverse Hoover's programs and spending....but:

"Historians now acknowledge [Hoover's] progressive inclinations, and his commitment to counter-cyclical planning and the belief that the nation ought to have a reservoir of big projects in the planning stages that could be executed when the time was right.
Programs begun during the Hoover years, such as the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, were forerunners of the New Deal, and years later New Dealer Rexford Tugwell acknowledged that -- even though no one would say so at the time -- "practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started." WGBH American Experience . Golden Gate Bridge | PBS



Get that?
"....practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."


But....but.....Roosevelt said he would do the opposite!!!

Roosevelt: Why lie?

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans gave us the Great Depression...FDR rescued us

One of the reasons Republicans were not allowed to be President for 20 years

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans gave us the Great Depression...FDR rescued us

One of the reasons Republicans were not allowed to be President for 20 years

You're lyin' again, huh?


1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundreds of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.
Medved.

2. March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.

3. After the stock market crash,, the Dow hit 250 in 1930 under Hoover (it had been 343 before the crash). January 1940, after seven years of the New Deal, the market had collapsed to 151, and remained in the low 100’s through most of FDR’s terms.

4. Federal spending went from 2.5 % in 1929 to 9 % in 1936: Washington’s portion of the economy increased by 360 % in just seven years- with no benefit to the economy.

5. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .

6. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.” http://www.aei.org/article/26390

 

[rightwinger]

FDR squashed the Nazis, and some people just can't quell their rage over that.

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet who squashed the Soros best years of his life working with then Nazis in order to give mass murderer Uncle Joe control of Eastern Europe

Stalin lost 20 million in the war....FDR 400,000
Stalin beat back the Nazis, FDR took half of Europe

Guess who was the sock puppet?

 

[PoliticalChic]

My claim is that Roosevelt both lied to the public as to what he planned to do....and, he actually embarked on every policy that he knew to be counter productive.

In those characteristics, he was the doppelganger to Barack Obama.



6. "Franklin Delano Roosevelt won the 1932 presidential election in a landslide, collecting 472 electoral votes to just 59 for the incumbent Herbert Hoover. The platform of the Democratic Party, whose ticket Roosevelt headed, declared, “We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people to be faithfully kept by the party entrusted with power.” It called for a 25 percent reduction in federal spending, a balanced federal budget, a sound gold currency “to be preserved at all hazards,” the removal of government from areas that belonged more appropriately to private enterprise and an end to the “extravagance” of Hoover’s farm programs.

This is what candidate Roosevelt promised, but it bears no resemblance to what President Roosevelt actually delivered.

In the first year of the New Deal, Roosevelt proposed spending $10 billion while revenues were only $3 billion. Between 1933 and 1936, government expenditures rose by more than 83 percent. Federal debt skyrocketed by 73 percent." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



He went on to vow that everyone he selects for his cabinet had to pledge absolute fealty to a balanced budget and a 25% across-the-board cut in government spending.

Well....to begin with, in March of 1933, he didn't fill his cabinet with persons committed to a balanced budget. A pretty much poke 'in your eye.'

Roosevelt would promise him cuts, then go to Rexford Tugwell and Harry Hopkins and give them whatever they wanted. Of course, the 'Brain Trust' was made up of socialists, fascists and communists....but, what the heck....they were Democrats.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A major lie!

7. If one studies at the feet of Liberal professors and historians.....one imbibes lies. Total, absymal, outrageous lies.

I'll prove it now: According to Liberal star, Arthur Schlesinger, and to the others, the evil industrialists of the 1920s kept pay low and prices high, so that workers didn't have the money to buy the products they were making.

Like this:
a. "Managements disposition [in the 1920s] to maintain prices...meant that workers and farmers weredenied thebenefits ofincreasesin there own productivity. The consequences was the relativedecline of mass purchasing power."
Arthur Schlesinger, "The Crisis of the Old Order."Understanding Bushonomics | Center for American Progress


Got that?


6. Here is that same lie from demagogue Roosevelt, himself:

"Now it is worth remembering, and the cold figures of finance prove it, that during that time there was little or no drop in the prices that the consumer had to pay, although those same figures proved that the cost of production fell very greatly; corporate profit resulting from this period was enormous; at the same time little of that profit was devoted to the reduction of prices. The consumer was forgotten. Very little of it went into increased wages; the worker was forgotten, and by no means an adequate proportion was even paid out in dividends--the stockholder was forgotten." Roosevelt's Nomination Address, Chicago, Ill., July 2, 1932



7. The truth was very much the opposite.

"Hoover: ...keeping wages artificially high even though both profits and prices were falling. Consumer prices plunged almost 25 percent between 1929 and 1933 while nominal wages on average decreased only 15 percent — translating into a substantial increase in wages in real terms, a major component of the cost of doing business. " Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed


As economist Richard Ebeling notes, “The ‘high-wage’ policy of the Hoover administration and the trade unions ... succeeded only in pricing workers out of the labor market, generating an increasing circle of unemployment.” Richard M. Ebeling, “Monetary Central Planning and the State, Part XI: The Great Depression and the Crisis of Government Intervention,” Freedom Daily (Fairfax, Virginia: The Future of Freedom Foundation, November 1997), p. 15.



No wonder the indoctrinees consider Roosevelt 'the greatest!" More lies than one can shake a stick at.

Roosevelt lied, and Liberals swear to it.

 

[rightwinger]

FDR said it best....

People don't eat in the long run

FDR knew the Great Depression was not about economic indicators or corporate recovery...... It was about people suffering

Great President

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR squashed the Nazis, and some people just can't quell their rage over that.

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet who squashed the Soros best years of his life working with then Nazis in order to give mass murderer Uncle Joe control of Eastern Europe

Stalin lost 20 million in the war....FDR 400,000
Stalin beat back the Nazis, FDR took half of Europe

Guess who was the sock puppet?

FDR was the sock puppet. He kept Patton from entering Berlin ahead of his Master, Uncle Joe

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR said it best....

People don't eat in the long run

FDR knew the Great Depression was not about economic indicators or corporate recovery...... It was about people suffering

Great President

So he kept them suffering as long as possible

 

[rightwinger]

 

[rightwinger]

FDR said it best....

People don't eat in the long run

FDR knew the Great Depression was not about economic indicators or corporate recovery...... It was about people suffering

Great President

So he kept them suffering as long as possible

Evidently not

They reelected him three times in a landslide....didn't elect another Republican for 20 years

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Unemployment averaged 20% over FDR entire first 2 terms

 

[rightwinger]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

“the chief business of the American people is business.” -- the guy who ended a deep recession and dropped unemployment from 12% to 4% in under 2 years, unlike FDR Worse than the 7 Biblical Lean years record