A History Mystery: Roosevelt- Why Lie?

[Decus]

Stop back next time you need a similar thrashing.

I am claiming FDR represented the political thought of his era

Funny how this standard isn't applied to other historical figures. Very telling.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned slaves...we still haven't taken them off Rushmore

Jefferson has become persona non grata in many liberal enclaves - seems you proved me right.

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[rightwinger]

Stop back next time you need a similar thrashing.

I am claiming FDR represented the political thought of his era

Funny how this standard isn't applied to other historical figures. Very telling.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned slaves...we still haven't taken them off Rushmore

Jefferson has become persona non grata in many liberal enclaves - seems you proved me right.

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His face is still on the $2 bill

Jackson is catching more historical flack than Jefferson

 

[Camp]

Stop back next time you need a similar thrashing.

I am claiming FDR represented the political thought of his era

Funny how this standard isn't applied to other historical figures. Very telling.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned slaves...we still haven't taken them off Rushmore

Jefferson has become persona non grata in many liberal enclaves - seems you proved me right.

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No, he hasn't. Show some evidence to your claim.

 

[Decus]

Stop back next time you need a similar thrashing.

I am claiming FDR represented the political thought of his era

Funny how this standard isn't applied to other historical figures. Very telling.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned slaves...we still haven't taken them off Rushmore

Jefferson has become persona non grata in many liberal enclaves - seems you proved me right.

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No, he hasn't. Show some evidence to your claim.

As requested:

"Many observers have wondered which historical figure honored on American campuses would next capture critical attention.

The answer appears to be Thomas Jefferson. At both the University of Missouri at Columbia and the College of William & Mary, critics have been placing yellow sticky notes on Jefferson statues, labeling him -- among other things -- "rapist" and "racist.""

Thomas Jefferson is next target of students who question honors for figures who were racists

"Many states hold annual Jefferson-Jackson fundraising events, but it's possible not all of them will be named that way much longer. Earlier in July, the Missouri Democratic Party voted to rename its "J-J dinner" and honor former President Harry Truman instead.

Of course, if other states do follow suit, Balletto wouldn't mind having been a part of the movement.

"Hopefully, they'll follow suit when they see it's the right thing to do," he said. "You can't change history, but you don't have to honor it.""

Conn. Democrats Opt Not to Honor Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson

From the halls of universities to the shores of the Democratic party, Jefferson is persona no grata. Let me know if you want more.

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[Unkotare]

Stop back next time you need a similar thrashing.

I am claiming FDR represented the political thought of his era

Funny how this standard isn't applied to other historical figures. Very telling.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned slaves...we still haven't taken them off Rushmore

Shameless ******* apologist ^^^^^^^^^

 

[whitehall]

You can see from the FDR defenders that they would rather not talk about it. The one thing a politician wants above all else is a second term. Politicians will lie and cheat and do anything they can to win another term but we have what used to be called the "4th estate" to monitor the conduct of politicians. The Founding Fathers thought freedom of the press was so important that they included it in the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights. Politicians will lie and cheat but the problem is when the media becomes the propaganda arm of the administration and the justice system authorizes criminal behavior. The former KKK member appointed to the supreme court by FDR wrote the majority opinion that justified the incarceration of American citizens based on their ethnicity. The media writes the history books and generations of kids have been taught that FDR was a great president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can see from the FDR defenders that they would rather not talk about it. The one thing a politician wants above all else is a second term. Politicians will lie and cheat and do anything they can to win another term but we have what used to be called the "4th estate" to monitor the conduct of politicians. The Founding Fathers thought freedom of the press was so important that they included it in the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights. Politicians will lie and cheat but the problem is when the media becomes the propaganda arm of the administration and the justice system authorizes criminal behavior. The former KKK member appointed to the supreme court by FDR wrote the majority opinion that justified the incarceration of American citizens based on their ethnicity. The media writes the history books and generations of kids have been taught that FDR was a great president.

"....but we have what used to be called the "4th estate" to monitor the conduct of politicians."
That is the problem.

Nail on the head!!!!

 

[regent]

Yep the Federalists cut off the fourth estate with their Sedition Act under President Adams. The Sedition Act gave Jefferson the presidency and the Federalists, were on their its way to oblivion. Historians named their end The Era of Good Feelings. The Federalists were the first conservative party to die in America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep the Federalists cut off the fourth estate with their Sedition Act under President Adams. The Sedition Act gave Jefferson the presidency and the Federalists, were on their its way to oblivion. Historians named their end The Era of Good Feelings. The Federalists were the first conservative party to die in America.

Speaking of political parties dying in America....

...what say you about the fate of Progressive Woodrow Wilson?

1. Progressives saw WWI as an opportunity to change America and enforce collectivization. “In 1917, as Woodrow Wilson prepared to take the United States into the European war, the leading collectivist intellectuals of the day, John Dewey and Herbert Croly of The New Republic, beat the drums for American participation. …Dewey wrote that the progressive opponents of war were blind to the “immense impetus to reorganization afforded by this war.” He hoped they would work “to form ... the conditions and objects of our entrance.” In other words, they should exploit the opportunities war bestowed for collectivizing America. Croly was pithier: “The American nation needs the tonic of a serious moral adventure.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp
   1. “Once the war is on, the conviction spreads that individual thought is helpless, that the only way one can count is as a cog in the great wheel. There is no good holding back. We are told to dry our unnoticed and ineffective tears and plunge into the great work.” From a Randolph Bourne essay published in June 1917, “The War and the Intellectuals.”
   2. Dewey reveled in the thought that the war might force Americans to “give up much of our economic freedom…we shall have to lay by our good natured individualism and march in step.” Taking liberties

3. ¬Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920:

“The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


“In the 1920 election, he and his running-mate, Calvin Coolidge, defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox, in what was then the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history since the popular vote tally began to be recorded in 1824: 60.36% to 34.19%.” Warren G. Harding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Unkotare]

Yep the Federalists cut off the fourth estate with their Sedition Act under President Adams. The Sedition Act gave Jefferson the presidency and the Federalists, were on their its way to oblivion. Historians named their end The Era of Good Feelings. The Federalists were the first conservative party to die in America.

They were the precursors to the democrat party with their focus on centralized government power.

 

[regent]

Yep the Federalists cut off the fourth estate with their Sedition Act under President Adams. The Sedition Act gave Jefferson the presidency and the Federalists, were on their its way to oblivion. Historians named their end The Era of Good Feelings. The Federalists were the first conservative party to die in America.

Speaking of political parties dying in America....

...what say you about the fate of Progressive Woodrow Wilson?

1. Progressives saw WWI as an opportunity to change America and enforce collectivization. “In 1917, as Woodrow Wilson prepared to take the United States into the European war, the leading collectivist intellectuals of the day, John Dewey and Herbert Croly of The New Republic, beat the drums for American participation. …Dewey wrote that the progressive opponents of war were blind to the “immense impetus to reorganization afforded by this war.” He hoped they would work “to form ... the conditions and objects of our entrance.” In other words, they should exploit the opportunities war bestowed for collectivizing America. Croly was pithier: “The American nation needs the tonic of a serious moral adventure.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp
   1. “Once the war is on, the conviction spreads that individual thought is helpless, that the only way one can count is as a cog in the great wheel. There is no good holding back. We are told to dry our unnoticed and ineffective tears and plunge into the great work.” From a Randolph Bourne essay published in June 1917, “The War and the Intellectuals.”
   2. Dewey reveled in the thought that the war might force Americans to “give up much of our economic freedom…we shall have to lay by our good natured individualism and march in step.” Taking liberties

3. ¬Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920:

“The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


“In the 1920 election, he and his running-mate, Calvin Coolidge, defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox, in what was then the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history since the popular vote tally began to be recorded in 1824: 60.36% to 34.19%.” Warren G. Harding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe the vote reflected Harding's attempt to get the US to recognize the Soviet Union or his plea to help farmers, or the need for a national highway system or an act to help the health of children and mothers. Then again maybe it was just the VA so his helpers had a separate income source selling VA equipment? But then again maybe it was because Harding pushed to establish a Department of Public Welfare. In any case Harding is usually rated as one of, if not the worst, presidents in our history.

 

[Dovahkiin]

LOL. Here's what actually happened:
The Real Lesson from the Great Depression: Fiscal Policy Works! - Roosevelt Institute

The OMB numbers suggest that spending actually DID decline in 1937 and 1938 (see here) and, contrary to the assertions of Cooley and Ohanian, that decline had a very deleterious impact on economic activity and employment.