A discussion about rifles and capabilities

[Delldude]

If it was any Deep State faction, or Mossad, you almost certainly wouldn't. They would have resources as good or better than most law enforcement agencies to help cover their tracks. Might be awhile before anyone saw any evidence of it if ever.

You see the video claiming it was an Israeli hit with an exploding lapel mic? Even show a guy in the crowd supposedly detonating it.

Then there's another claiming he was shot through the banner behind him.

I'm telling ya...... double Yoi.

 

[the watcher]

We're being asked to accept a lot of stuff that is purely someone said something. A 20 something grabbed grandaddy's old rifle, a handful of shells (was it sighted in? Did grandad sight in using the 150 grain or 220 grain? Where is it zeroed in at? How old are those shells? Let's see, what do I write on them?) disassembled it (will it retain its zero?), stuck it down his skinny jeans, set up, makes the shot, disassembled it again, grabbed some distance, dropped the rifle in bushes (was it still disassembled, or did he put it back together?), went on home. Now of course all this is possible, nothing is impossible. That is a lot of stuff to accept on blind faith. There's a lot of people in the US that have rifles and know what a 30-06 will and won't do, and there will be questions that should be answered.

 

[Failzero]

What vest?

His high end tailored & comfortable un sweat saturated fresh white Level III A soft body armor ballistic vest ( no plates )

 

[Chuz Life]

What vest?

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Sep 21, 2025

You should consider that it was a ricocheted round and not a direct hit.

It glanced off his vest and or it was a piece of the vest itself that struck him in the neck.

In fact, on closer exam, I believe the bullet struck the heavy (likely stainless) rope type chain (or near where it was attached) that was holding his chest plate protection.

And that is what caused the violent tugging of his shirt, when impacted.

WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO!!!!!

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[Chuz Life]

We're being asked to accept a lot of stuff that is purely someone said something. A 20 something grabbed grandaddy's old rifle, a handful of shells (was it sighted in? Did grandad sight in using the 150 grain or 220 grain? Where is it zeroed in at? How old are those shells? Let's see, what do I write on them?) disassembled it (will it retain its zero?), stuck it down his skinny jeans, set up, makes the shot, disassembled it again, grabbed some distance, dropped the rifle in bushes (was it still disassembled, or did he put it back together?), went on home. Now of course all this is possible, nothing is impossible. That is a lot of stuff to accept on blind faith. There's a lot of people in the US that have rifles and know what a 30-06 will and won't do, and there will be questions that should be answered.

It is only a theory or assumption that the rifle was being disassembled and reassembled.

When I zoom in on the videos I've collected, I can see the rifle is assembled, when he jumps off the roof.

 

[Failzero]

He did not have BALCS soft Panels or Ceramic or Metal plates for level IV ( just Soft vest ( level III A )

 

[Delldude]

In fact, on closer exam, I believe the bullet struck the heavy (likely stainless) rope type chain (or near where it was attached) that was holding his chest plate protection.

And that is what caused the violent tugging of his shirt, when impacted.

WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO!!!!!

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Collar bone

 

[Chuz Life]

Collar bone

The necklace (rope / chain) was involved because we can see the pieces fly out of his collar and his wife stated that the necklace was torn apart. (she thought by the medics.)

But, man i'm having a harder and harder time believing this was a 30-06 shot.

Watch this video of a Deer shot at 200 Yards.

Roughly the same distance as where Charlie was allegedly shot from.

WARNING GRAPHIC !!!

 

[Delldude]

The necklace (rope / chain) was involved because we can see the pieces fly out of his collar and his wife stated that the necklace was torn apart. (she thought by the medics.)

I doubt it would deflect much if any. The collar bone sure would.

 

[Chuz Life]

I doubt it would deflect much if any. The collar bone sure would.

I've tried and tried to see any evidence of a lower impact in that area of his collarbone and I can't see it. I agree the necklace would have little resistance, even if it were stainless or titanium. It was a heavier rope style, but still. To deflect an 06?

I'm not liking the claims/ released info vs what I see in the physics here at all. If he had a breast plate on and most of the impact was deflected, I could easier believe that much.

 

[JWBooth]

I've tried and tried to see any evidence of a lower impact in that area of his collarbone and I can't see it. I agree the necklace would have little resistance, even if it were stainless or titanium. It was a heavier rope style, but still. To deflect an 06?

I'm not liking the claims/ released info vs what I see in the physics here at all. If he had a breast plate on and most of the impact was deflected, I could easier believe that much.

What we’ve been told, much of what passes for info is gonna turn out to be pure crap.
Notice how the 30-06 story only came in the first hours and hasn’t been repeated since in any of the official statements?

 

[Delldude]

It was a heavier rope style, but still. To deflect an 06?

Happens all the time deer hunting.

 

[Chuz Life]

Happens all the time deer hunting.

I have little first hand experience with "deflected" incidents. I've owned and fired .308s, 7.62x54. . . and I fired some 30-06 owned by a friend. But never paid any attention to deflected rounds and such. All my deer have been taken with 12ga. so, no experiences with deflections there, either.

I did try to split a bowling ball with a .308 once at 100 yards and it took a lot more hits and effort than what I imagined it would.

 

[Delldude]

I have little first hand experience with "deflected" incidents. I've owned and fired .308s, 7.62x54. . . and I fired some 30-06 owned by a friend. But never paid any attention to deflected rounds and such. All my deer have been taken with 12ga. so, no experiences with deflections there, either.

I did try to split a bowling ball with a .308 once at 100 yards and it took a lot more hits and effort than what I imagined it would.

People's lives have been saved by a deflection...... like away from the heart.
I don't totally remember but Reagan took one under the arm and it was deflected from the heart by a rib.

 

[Failzero]

People's lives have been saved by a deflection...... like away from the heart.
I don't totally remember but Reagan took one under the arm and it was deflected from the heart by a rib.

I paid extra for ( Curved Plates ) ( Anti Spall coating ) and special cut BALCS soft inserts on my Level IV Body Armor rig

 

[Delldude]

I paid extra for ( Curved Plates ) ( Anti Spall coating ) and special cut BALCS soft inserts on my Level IV Body Armor rig

Shoulda let Kirk borrow it.

 

[Failzero]

Shoulda let Kirk borrow it.

He could have afforded one for every member of his Travel / Security Team but that’s not how he rolled

 

[Delldude]

He could have afforded one for every member of his Travel / Security Team but that’s not how he rolled

Yeah.....he also said he wasn't afraid I think. Vest would have been a bad look too.

 

[Failzero]

Yeah.....he also said he wasn't afraid I think. Vest would have been a bad look too.

Yep , mine is Multicam , he could have had them done up in beige or white ( but that woulda had a Star Wars vibe )

 

[the watcher]

It is only a theory or assumption that the rifle was being disassembled and reassembled.

When I zoom in on the videos I've collected, I can see the rifle is assembled, when he jumps off the roof.

People's lives have been saved by a deflection...... like away from the heart.
I don't totally remember but Reagan took one under the arm and it was deflected from the heart by a rib.

Reagan was shot with a .22 pistol with a 3" barrel. Little different energy level.