A Conservatives assessment of the Iran war

[ChristisKing]

I don't understand. How is it that Iran's authoritarian government going rogue, escalating the Hezbola terror campaign, theratening the US with nuclear bombardment, and likewise attacking it's neighbors...would play badly against President Trump?

Congress was in the process of passing legislation that would have weakened our position more, by pulling all troops out. Trump did the best he could to pull off talks while he was being threatened by some of his own people.

Now, somehow that's all his fault? I guess with a continuous barrage of propaganda even freedom loving people are being manipulated by it.

The problem is that Trump's trying to get a peace deal with people who don't want peace and now Vance is falling for it and I don't even know what's going on with this war right now because I can't even follow it.

 

[Samofvt]

The problem is that Trump's trying to get a peace deal with people who don't want peace and now Vance is falling for it and I don't even know what's going on with this war right now because I can't even follow it.

Yes, that part I understand. They are playing the game. We don't know who the top leadership in Iran is anymore, and their communications seem to be still blacked out. [for that matter, our freedom to communicate is increasingly limited]

Without all the details, we can only gauge the situation based on reliable, observable actions. The ones I listed have been verified to my satisfaction. You'll have to do your own research, and the MSM seem to purposfully mislead people...many of the legacy channels sound like they are broadcasting everything from the perspective of an authoritarian state (russia/china/irgc/north korea...globalists)

 

[SaxonJackson]

If that was true then we would had invaded Iran day one, and would not be negotiating a peace deal. Israel is furious President Trump is trying to end the war.

But not furious enough to threaten them with sanctions or an end to the annual $Billions in foreign aid (and weaponry). He can threaten Canada, France, Italy, the UK, Germany, and every other ally ... but NEVER Israel.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Not for long.

They have FAR less of those now. We also blew up many of their missile factories.

The US controls who goes through the straight, not Iran. The US can and did control which ships could go through. Iran however could only scare ships. Many bowed down to that fear, but many others did not.

You really do live in a fairy tale reality....that's fer sure . Does god tell you these things?

 

[Godboy]

Knowing about it and doing something are not the same thing

Its pretty easy to bomb nuclear facilities. We dont have to allow them to use Natanz and Fordo. If a future president bombs those facilities and immediately walks away, it will be out of the news within a week. There will be very little political blowback from an operation like that.

 

[Godboy]

You really do live in a fairy tale reality....that's fer sure . Does god tell you these things?

What did i say thats wrong? Go ahead and make your case for whatever you think i said that is wrong. Lets debate it.

 

[MarcATL]

What Changed After Almost Four Months of War? Analysts Say Not Much.

‘Neither the war nor the agreement ended what U.S. and Israeli officials regard as the main threats emanating from Iran. The country’s nuclear program, while heavily damaged, was not eliminated — its fate punted to future negotiation.

The same goes for its ballistic missiles, which the deal does not address. Iran’s authoritarian regime endured, albeit with new leaders. Its proxies remain a threat to the region. Israel and Hezbollah, the Iran-backed militia in Lebanon, persisted in attacking each other.

By Saturday, even the most significant immediate result of the deal — Iran’s reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, which Mr. Trump had identified as essential — seemed at risk. Iran’s military said it was closing the waterway again, because the United States had failed to stop the fighting in Lebanon. The U.S. military contested that, saying the strait remained open as the agreement stipulated.

“This is not a document the United States agreed to because the war demonstrated a new U.S. military superiority,” said Caitlin Talmadge, a professor at M.I.T. who specializes in Persian Gulf security issues. “I think it’s a document that has resulted from the fact that the United States bit off more than it could chew and doesn’t want to escalate.”’

What’s demented is the blind partisan right trying to defend Trump’s failed, illegal war of choice.

Neither the War Nor Trump’s Deal Terminated the Main Threats in Iran, Analysts Say

Neither the war nor the agreement terminated the main threats emanating from Iran, many analysts said.

www.nytimes.com

When Trump is gone everyone will find out what a devastating disaster his Administrations were.

People are too afraid to tell the truth now, but the clock is ticking.

 

[ChristisKing]

When Trump is gone everyone will find out what a devastating disaster his Administrations were.

People are too afraid to tell the truth now, but the clock is ticking.

I'm not afraid to admit that it's currently been a trainwreck. Now tell us how the Biden/Harris Administration was so awful.

 

[Magnus]

It is not just liberals that are saying that we effectively lost the war with Iran, but also many Conservatives. I guess we just did not realize what nation Trump was referring to when he spoke of Unconditional Surrender.

MSN

Make Iran Great Again!!!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What did i say thats wrong? Go ahead and make your case for whatever you think i said that is wrong. Lets debate it.

1) "They will not have their uranium for long" What the **** do you think that the US can do about that if they don't give it up voluntarily?

2) "We control the straight" Clearly the Iranians have shown who controls the straight . The only way that will change is with a massive on the ground operation to occupy Iranian territory and that is not going to happen. The US controlled Iranian ports with the blockade but tat is different. Clearly your confused and blinded by want you want reality to be as opposed to what it is.

3) "They have FAR less of those ( missiles) now. We also blew up many of their missile factories." They still have about 70% of their missiles and have clearly demonstrated their willingness and ability to attack US and allied assets as well as commercial shipping,

I stand by my assessment of you . Not good

 

[MarcATL]

I'm not afraid to admit that it's currently been a trainwreck. Now tell us how the Biden/Harris Administration was so awful.

President Sleepy Joe Biden actually did a bang up job.

Unlike the assclown that's currently in Office.

 

[Godboy]

1) "They will not have their uranium for long" What the **** do you think that the US can do about that if they don't give it up voluntarily?

They wont get a peace deal without giving it up.

2) "We control the straight" Clearly the Iranians have shown who controls the straight . The only way that will change is with a massive on the ground operation to occupy Iranian territory and that is not going to happen. The US controlled Iranian ports with the blockade but tat is different. Clearly your confused and blinded by want you want reality to be as opposed to what it is.

Iran could merely fire a missile at an occasional merchant ship. That isnt "control". The US can fire on ships too, and we did. We sunk all of their ships. We openly escorted ships through the strait and we snuck ships through the strait. We controlled it.

3) "They have FAR less of those ( missiles) now. We also blew up many of their missile factories." They still have about 70% of their missiles and have clearly demonstrated their willingness and ability to attack US and allied assets as well as commercial shipping,

Your 70% claim is unconvincing. You have no idea what they have left. The US has demonstrated for decades that we are willing to attack Iran, its allies and its assets, and we are WAAAAAYYYYY better at it than they are.

I stand by my assessment of you . Not good

You are a progressive, therefore your assessments are always wrong.

 

[Correll]

They are a lot less worried about us now than they were on Feb 27.

With thousands of their people dead? And so much of their valuable shit that they spent decades building up, reduced to scrap?

That makes no sense.

 

[Correll]

Actually they have their nuclear material UNDER ground where we can’t get to it.

Is it in pieces?

And yes I understand how geography works.

So, you understand that considering the geography, that Iran being able to threaten traffic on the straits, is to be expected.


We would have to exterminate the whole country, to stop that.

Do you want TRump to exterminate the Iranian people?

...

Do YOU understand how economics works?

I don't know that any human is capable of fully understanding the world economy.

It is too big and too many factors interacting in ways that we do not fully understand.

I do understand that Iran closing the straits hurt the world economy.

What is YOUR point, with that?

 

[Correll]

It isn't, but that was just round one.

Is it? Or is it round 23? Wasn't Iran supporting the anti-Americans in Iraq? Wouldn't that count as a round?

It wasn't illegal, just not all that thought out.

Lefties always lie to create division. IF he just said that the war was a bad idea, that would give you common ground and you could reasonablel discuss it.

The leftard wants to exaggerate the issue to the point where he can pretend that you are a bad person for not immediately agreeing with him, and thus, he can gin up mob hate directed at you.

 

[TimFitz]

The problem is that Trump's trying to get a peace deal with people who don't want peace and now Vance is falling for it and I don't even know what's going on with this war right now because I can't even follow it.

A very strange observation to make, since it was the United States that attacked Iran (twice), and not the other way around.

Israel has attacked, invaded, and tried to destabalize Lebanon since the 1940's.

And, of course, there is their hundred times over invasion of Gaza in response to a one day horrific attack that killed 1500 Israelis. They have been destroying and attacking Gaza ever since.

 

[TimFitz]

We have not retreated

I understand this is all political for you

The only thing that could make libs happier would be if Iran had sunk one of our carriers

But too bad for you that didn't happen

Unfortunately for me and America the mullahs were not overthrown either

You seem to be living on the alternative Trump planet.

Not only has the US retreated, Trump capitulated to Tehran's demands, which go even beyond the JCPOA.

This is GEOPOLITICAL to me. That has nothing to do with domestic or Trump politics.

Ironic that you should assert that this is "all political to me", since it's obvious that you are projecting again.

I would not have supported any US President who was dumb enough to start a war with no plan, no allies, no clear outcome and no support.

But no other President would have been that stupid.

 

[TimFitz]

Is it? Or is it round 23? Wasn't Iran supporting the anti-Americans in Iraq? Wouldn't that count as a round?




Lefties always lie to create division. IF he just said that the war was a bad idea, that would give you common ground and you could reasonablel discuss it.

The leftard wants to exaggerate the issue to the point where he can pretend that you are a bad person for not immediately agreeing with him, and thus, he can gin up mob hate directed at you.

Iran did support Shite militias in Iraq. That had been predicted.

They had neithre the power or desire to commit themselves directly.

But they could put a stick in the wheel of the Ammerican effort by encouraging people like Al Satyr.

Isreal and Iran wanted the same outcome in Iraq, a weak and unstable government.

The Americans wanted the oil, on their terms.

Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle and Rumsfeld had planned on installing thier puppet, Ahmed Chalabi, as Sadaam's successor.

That is, until they learned that he had been feeding everything the Bush crowd told him straight to Tehran. But, by that time, Bush had already started the war Chalabi helped con him into.

 

[Mac-7]

The problem is that Trump's trying to get a peace deal with people who don't want peace and now Vance is falling for it and I don't even know what's going on with this war right now because I can't even follow it.

Iran is just stalling for time

They are running out the clock till the midterms and/or the 2028 election when trump will be gone

If a democrat becomes president the jihadi’s are home free

Vance is hurting his chances to win the nomination by letting the iranians b@tch slap him at every opportunity

 

[TimFitz]

Iran is just stalling for time

They are running out the clock till the midterms and/or the 2028 election when trump will be gone

If a democrat becomes president the jihadi’s are home free

Vance is hurting his chances to win the nomination by letting the iranians b@tch slap him at every opportunity

Why? Trump is offering Tehran a better deal than Obama did.

They know they can't trust Trump, so stringing him along is (as we have already seen) an effective strategy.

Trump is trapped in his own war. Tehran knows that Trump can't esculate the war, and that he has no support anywhere in the world for what his war.

All they have to do is remind the world periodically that they have de facto control over the straights of Hormuz.

As for Vance. The man isn't particulaly smart or experienced. He got where he was by sucking up to powerful people.

He knows nothing about diplomacy (but neither do Witkoff or Kushner).

And Trump will need a fall guy to dump on once he has concluded his capitulation to Tehran.

I am not opposed to a deal with Iran, including this one.

It isn't a triumph. It's a monument to the mismanagement, failure, and incompetence of the Trump regime.

It has already caused many of our allies to have serious doubts about American leadership, buth now, and in the long term.