A Conservatives assessment of the Iran war

[Marener]

The problem is that I believed that I was voting for a whole lot better than this.

Bless your heart.

 

[ChristisKing]

Bless your heart.

Thanks but what's that for?

 

[Marener]

Thanks but what's that for?

For believing Trump. Not sure why anyone would do that.

 

[ChristisKing]

For believing Trump. Not sure why anyone would do that.

Well we have excellent border control now but other than that me neither except I didn't want Kamala Harris to win.

 

[Rawley]

As much as I hate to admit it you actually have a point for once.

Sad to see you going over to the loon side.

 

[ChristisKing]

Sad to see you going over to the loon side.

Hey, who is it on here who says that a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while?

 

[g5000]

Actually, the final result of this "war" is not known right now. What we do know is that the entire top level of both the religious leadership and the IRGC has been ELIMINATED. By some definitions, that is "regime change."

Nope. The same regime is still in place. You don't understand what actual regime change is.

Actual regime change would have required boots on the ground and more dead Americans than Trump has already gotten killed and wounded.

Regime change was never the goal.

Diverting attention away from the Epstein PedoFiles was the goal.

When Trump is upset more than he usually is, he blows things up to feel better.

He does not plan ahead. He does not strategize. He just makes things up as he goes.

If your MAGA blinders are making you doubt I am telling you the truth, just look at his messaging the whole time.

Even worse for the man-baby tyrant, he seriously miscalculated his cult would go along with him.

 

[g5000]

We know that the Iranian "government" has agreed to abandon its campaign to make or get nuclear weapons (what those words mean will not be known for years).

Wow. You are very ignorant and gullible.

1. Iran joined the nuclear non-proliferation treaty in 1970.

2. In 2005, at a meeting of the IAEA, Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenai, issued a fatwa:
We believe that besides nuclear weapons, other types of weapons of mass destruction such as chemical and biological weapons also pose a serious threat to humanity. The Iranian nation which is itself a victim of chemical weapons feels more than any other nation the danger that is caused by the production and stockpiling of such weapons and is prepared to make use of all its facilities to counter such threats. We consider the use of such weapons as haraam and believe that it is everyone's duty to make efforts to secure humanity against this great disaster.

3. Paragraph iii of the 2015 JCPOA preface:
Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.


In short, if all Trump accomplishes in his surrender to Iran is yet another promise from Iran not to pursue nukes without an actual monitoring program to ensure they don't as Obama did, then he has catastrophically failed.

When, not if, Trump crows about getting Iran to promise not to pursue nukes, remember this.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It's not, they just moved the goalposts.

Pretty thread.

You're both full of shit. If anyone moved the goal posts it was Trump

Trumps goals at various times were:

• Unconditional surrnder
• Free the Iranian people
• Regime change
• An end to their nuclear program
• That Iran join the Abraham accords
• That Iran stops funding and supporting their proxy groups

TRUMP GOT NONE OF THAT AND IS UNLIKELY TO.

So now TRUMP is claiming victory by moving those goal posts which are actually none existent for the most part

NOW his goals are to get them talking about the uranium, and keeping the straight -was was open before the war and which they now know, and the world knows , they can close again at any time

He is desperate for any little thing that he can call victory and save face. There has to be something seriously wrong with anyone who does not understand that

C: Correll

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You're both full of shit. If anyone moved the goal posts it was Trump

Trumps goals at various times were:

• Unconditional surrnder
• Free the Iranian people
• Regime change
• And end to their nuclear program
• That Iran join the Abraham accords
• That Iran stops funding and supporting their proxy groups

TRUMP GOT NONE OF THAT AND IS UNLIKELY TO.

So now TRUMP is claiming victory by moving those goal posts which are actually none existent for the most part

NOW his goals are to get them talking about the uranium, and keeping the straight -was was open before the war and which they now know, and the world knows , they can close again at any time

He is desperate for any little thing that he can call victory and save face. There has to be something seriously wrong with anyone who does not understand that

C: Correll

Disagree 1srelluc ? That's all you got ? You're not a serious person, Dude. I,m willing to bet that you do not have the cognitive ability to articulate what it is that you disagree with and why.

 

[theHawk]

Trump represents Israel. He's a Zionist first, Neocon second, Globalist third, and American when it's profitable. The Oligarchs told him to go to war so he did. It's what a good puppet President does.

If that was true then we would had invaded Iran day one, and would not be negotiating a peace deal. Israel is furious President Trump is trying to end the war.

 

[Mac-7]

Well you do have a point there but still Trump isn't currently making himself look good with this war and it could possibly cost us the midterms as well.

The midterms are an important but secondary consideration

The question on my mind is what happens when trump realizes that the mullahs will never give up their nukes?

 

[ChristisKing]

If that was true then we would had invaded Iran day one, and would not be negotiating a peace deal. Israel is furious President Trump is trying to end the war.

I'm furious as well since he's going about it the wrong way.

The midterms are an important but secondary consideration

The question on my mind is what happens when trump realizes that the mullahs will never give up their nukes?

Agreed. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Godboy]

And they sill have their nuclear materials

Not for long.

missiles

They have FAR less of those now. We also blew up many of their missile factories.

and control the Strait of Hormuz

The US controls who goes through the straight, not Iran. The US can and did control which ships could go through. Iran however could only scare ships. Many bowed down to that fear, but many others did not.

 

[Godboy]

The midterms are an important but secondary consideration

The question on my mind is what happens when trump realizes that the mullahs will never give up their nukes?

We will know the second that they start trying to make nukes, which will give us years advanced notice. As long as we have daily inspections of their facilities, they cant produce weapons grade materials.

 

[Mac-7]

I'm furious as well since he's going about it the wrong way.





Agreed. My thoughts exactly.

Ben shiparo rips JD Vance in this video



Shiparo is very uncompromising on Iran

As we should be

Vance is s very intelligent man, but I think his legs are starting to buckle over Iran

Prove me wrong JD

 

[Mac-7]

We will know the second that they start trying to make nukes, which will give us years advanced notice. As long as we have daily inspections of their facilities, they cant produce weapons grade materials.

Knowing about it and doing something are not the same thing

 

[ChristisKing]

Ben shiparo rips JD Vance in this video



Shiparo is very uncompromising on Iran

As we should

Vance is s very intelligent man, but I think his legs are starting to buckle over Iran

Prove me wrong JD

Yeah I noticed that too. Both Trump and Vance are starting to annoy me, but not as much as the people who think that they could do no wrong. They're both much better than the alternatives would have been but they certainly don't have their acts together right now.

 

[ChristisKing]

Btw Mac-7, thanks for being one of the normal ones who realizes that both Trump and Vance are great people but they can and do make mistakes too.

 

[Samofvt]

Well you do have a point there but still Trump isn't currently making himself look good with this war and it could possibly cost us the midterms as well.

I don't understand. How is it that Iran's authoritarian government going rogue, escalating the Hezbola terror campaign, threatening the US with nuclear bombardment, starving it's own people in order to fund terror across the world, then gunning down 10's of thousands of the citizens of Iran and hanging political opponents, and likewise attacking it's neighbors...

How would that play badly against President Trump?

Congress was in the process of passing legislation that would have weakened our position more, by pulling all troops out. Trump did the best he could to pull off talks while he was being threatened by some of his own people.

Now, somehow that's all his fault? I guess with a continuous barrage of propaganda even freedom loving people are being manipulated by it.