Zone1 A child afflicted with anencephalia, with no ability to think, breathe on their own, feel pain, to ever become self-aware, etc. is a "person."

[hondo 50]

When did anyone say that?

The people outside your cave.

 

[d0gbreath]

Its not a person. Letting it live is an act of cruelty

Not necessarily, because it doesn't know.

 

[Mr Natural]

Not necessarily, because it doesn't know.

Then what’s the point?

 

[d0gbreath]

Then what’s the point?

There is no point.

 

[Hafar1014]

Not necessarily, because it doesn't know.

It has no fore brain only the stem. There is no mind and never will

 

[Chuz Life]

It has no fore brain only the stem. There is no mind and never will

I think we can all agree that a child (in the womb or out) can neither nor even perceive their own situation. Pain, etc.

To argue that the child never-the-less can still "suffer" - requires "empathy."

They are human beings after all, and every other human being on the planet was once in that very same level of development, vulnerability, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

I think we can all agree that a child (in the womb or out) can neither nor even perceive their own situation. Pain, etc.

To argue that the child never-the-less can still "suffer" - requires "empathy."

They are human beings after all, and every other human being on the planet was once in that very same level of development, vulnerability, etc.

And if we were talking about a child in the third trimester, you might have a point.

But you'd grant human rights to zygotes...

 

[Chuz Life]

And if we were talking about a child in the third trimester, you might have a point.

But you'd grant human rights to zygotes...

Joey, I can't disagree with you more on your idea that basic human rights are "granted."

That is the root of why we don't agree on much else.

I believe that basic human rights are inherent. Not granted, assigned, given, awarded to, or anything else like that.

We are not the same.

 

[JoeB131]

Joey, I can't disagree with you more on your idea that basic human rights are "granted."

That is the root of why we don't agree on much else.

I believe that basic human rights are inherent. Not granted, assigned, given, awarded to, or anything else like that.

We are not the same.

Quite right. I'm sane and live in the real world.

There are no "rights". there are only privileges that society has collectively agreed you should have. Any fool who thinks there are rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942".

Whether it be a slave in the antebellum South, a Jew being thrown into an oven at Dachau, or an undocumented immigrant being shipped off to a gulag in the middle of the night, rights are a figment of your imagination.

The problem isn't that you just want to grant "rights" to zygotes, you want to give it more rights than the woman it is inside.

 

[Chuz Life]

Quite right. I'm sane and live in the real world.

There are no "rights". there are only privileges that society has collectively agreed you should have. Any fool who thinks there are rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942".

Whether it be a slave in the antebellum South, a Jew being thrown into an oven at Dachau, or an undocumented immigrant being shipped off to a gulag in the middle of the night, rights are a figment of your imagination.

The problem isn't that you just want to grant "rights" to zygotes, you want to give it more rights than the woman it is inside.

Do you only have the rights that society gives, awards or grants to you Joey?

 

[JoeB131]

Do you only have the rights that society gives, awards or grants to you Joey?

No, I only have the PRIVILEGES that society tolerates.

Let's say Trump gets his wet dream and arrests everyone who opposes him. Would I have rights then? Of course not.

 

[Chuz Life]

No, I only have the PRIVILEGES that society tolerates.

Let's say Trump gets his wet dream and arrests everyone who opposes him. Would I have rights then? Of course not.

So, if someone were to burst through your door and attack you, even your right to self defense or to defend your family. . . that is a "privilege" that is granted to you and tolerated by society?

If an animal is attacked, a cat, a dog, whatever animal it is. . . does that animal have a right to defend itself?

If it does have a right to defend itself, where does a dog's right to defend itself come from?

 

[JoeB131]

So, if someone were to burst through your door and attack you, even your right to self defense or to defend your family. . . that is a "privilege" that is granted to you and tolerated by society?

Well, funny you should mention that.

Leaving aside the whole "shooting the bad guys" is a right-wing wank fantasy right up there with "Zygotes are children". (No, seriously a gun in the home is far more dangerous to the family than to a bad guy.)

if I were to shoot a methhead looking for drugs, yup, then I would totally have the "right".

If I were to shoot an ICE Jackboot trying to take my Immigrant Wife into custody without a warrant or due process, I would probably be in a lot of trouble.

So again- not a right, just a privilege alloted by society.

 

[Chuz Life]

Well, funny you should mention that.

Leaving aside the whole "shooting the bad guys" is a right-wing wank fantasy right up there with "Zygotes are children". (No, seriously a gun in the home is far more dangerous to the family than to a bad guy.)

if I were to shoot a methhead looking for drugs, yup, then I would totally have the "right".

If I were to shoot an ICE Jackboot trying to take my Immigrant Wife into custody without a warrant or due process, I would probably be in a lot of trouble.

So again- not a right, just a privilege alloted by society.

Palestinians in Gaza. . .

Do they have "basic human rights?" Joey?

This You? Joey?

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I wonder why you have to point out an impoverished black country as an example.

Compared to other G-7, industrialized democracies, we are behind in many metrics of equality and human rights.

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[Leo123]

A child afflicted with anencephalia, with no ability to think, no ability to breathe on their own, no ability to feel pain, no ability to ever become self-aware, etc. is a never-the-less a "person."

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So that's where lefties come from!!!

 

[Chuz Life]

So that's where lefties come from!!!

The cool thing is - they don't have any rights unless the rest of us grant them some rights.

I always wondered what that box of rights on the shelf was for.

 

[JoeB131]

Palestinians in Gaza. . .

Do they have "basic human rights?" Joey?

This You? Joey?

Um, yeah, and I made a point. The US is very much behind the rest of the world in terms of freedom. Rights are an illusion.

And it's absurd to give a zygote more "rights" than the woman it's inside

I did notice you danced around my point that if ICE kicked down my door looking for my wife, I would have no right to shoot the bastards.

 

[Chuz Life]

Um, yeah, and I made a point. The US is very much behind the rest of the world in terms of freedom. Rights are an illusion.

And it's absurd to give a zygote more "rights" than the woman it's inside

I did notice you danced around my point that if ICE kicked down my door looking for my wife, I would have no right to shoot the bastards.

So, using your logic, Palestenians im Gaza have only the rights that others give them. . . Just like children in the womb.

Just bigger "globs" of medical waste and cells.

Got it.

 

[JoeB131]

So, using your logic, Palestenians im Gaza have only the rights that others give them. . . Just like children in the womb.

Just bigger "globs" of medical waste and cells.

Got it.

Um, I wish you'd show as much concern for actual children of Palestine that you do for Globby the fetus.

But, hey, it's not like they are white or anything, amiright?

The reality is, the Israelis do murder them with impunity, and if the world cared about "Rights", the entire UN would be bringing a world of hurt down on the Zionists.

But the reality is..> Israel has nukes and can do whatever the hell they want.

Oh, hey, you still avoided my right to kill any ICE agent who comes after my wife. Come on, man, if you think I have a right to "defend" my family, I should have the right to do that.

 

[Hafar1014]

Um, I wish you'd show as much concern for actual children of Palestine that you do for Globby the fetus.

But, hey, it's not like they are white or anything, amiright?

The reality is, the Israelis do murder them with impunity, and if the world cared about "Rights", the entire UN would be bringing a world of hurt down on the Zionists.

But the reality is..> Israel has nukes and can do whatever the hell they want.

Oh, hey, you still avoided my right to kill any ICE agent who comes after my wife. Come on, man, if you think I have a right to "defend" my family, I should have the right to do that.

Israel avoids killing children while Hamas uses them as human shields, starves them, and kills them. Laws of self defense so not give you the right to defend a criminal even is shes your wife. you have no such right.