A Challenge

[JoeB131]

I know a ship could deliver a nuke and you avoided that entirely.
They admitted during talks that they had enough uranium for 11 nukes. And, yes, they've been working on ICBMs.
Despite their caveman leadership, Iran is a very smart country. I'd rather not take a chance of seeing one of our major cities looking like this:

Russia has nukes
China has Nukes
India has nukes
Pakistan has nukes
North Korea has nukes.

the world still manages to get by

A nuke just means people won't mess with you. Your ability to mess with other people is limited because no one wants to be the guy who shoots first.

 

[sparky]

Exactly, so China is not benefitted a damned bit, are they?

I'm not entirely sure Admiral........the petro$ has been batted around for some time now....looks like the BRICS had the ball, but couldn't run with it.......~S~

 

[sparky]

Your ability to mess with other people is limited because no one wants to be the guy who shoots first.

unless one is an insane jihadist Joe......~S~

 

[JoeB131]

unless one is an insane jihadist Joe......~S~

Right, because they belong to a religion you don't understand, so they must be insane.

Not because they are reacting to Western imperialism and colonization.

The thing is, the Iranian people elected a Prime Minister who had the crazy idea that Iran should control her own oil wealth.

The CIA and British Petroleum overthrew him and installed the Shah as a dictator.

The Shah than proceeded to murder every source of oppossition except for the Clergy. When the Clergy emerged as the power players, why, they must all be crazy Jihadists.


The reality was that the Ayatollahs could be reasoned with, but Trump murdered them. Now the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has filled the vacuum, and they are much harder to reason with, having been hardened by decades of war in Iraq and Syria.

 

[sparky]

Right, because they belong to a religion you don't understand, so they must be insane.

All i need to understand is their response to 'infidels' since the Koran was written Joe....

The reality was that the Ayatollahs could be reasoned with, but Trump murdered them.

If you consider 'reasoning' buying them off, while they changed the goal posts Joe

~S~

 

[JoeB131]

All i need to understand is their response to 'infidels' since the Koran was written Joe....

Um, funny thing about that. You will find communities of non-Muslims all over the Islamic world.

Compared to Christian Europe, which not only completely wiped out all non-Christian faiths but also spent a lot of time killing other Christians for having the wrong ideas about Jesus.

Just because you don't understand their religion, it doesn't mean their religion is any worse than any other.

If you consider 'reasoning' buying them off, while they changed the goal posts Joe

Except they didn't change the goal posts. We did.

They signed the NPT
They signed the JCPOA

We decided that wasn't good enough, they had to give up missiles and support for movements in other countries as well. (Even though we were perfectly happy to take Iranian assistance when fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria.)

 

[sparky]

Just because you don't understand their religion, it doesn't mean their religion is any worse than any other.

never said they were better/worse Joe ......& i've no stomach for religmo's of any faith....all control freaks imho.....

They signed the NPT
They signed the JCPOA

enlighten me Joe......

~S~

 

[JoeB131]

never said they were better/worse Joe ......& i've no stomach for religmo's of any faith....all control freaks imho.....

enlighten me Joe......

~S~

I doubt you can be.

But here's the thing.

Iran has a nuclear energy program because when the Shah was in charge, the US encouraged it under the "Atoms for Peace" program.

They signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1968 and after the fall of the Shah, the Islamic Republic upheld that agreement.

Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) promising not to weaponize their nuclear materials. Everyone agreed that Iran was living up to that agreement.

Trump tore it up anyway.

 

[sparky]

Did Iran violate JCPOA?

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AI Overview



Yes, Iran began violating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in July 2019, following the U.S. withdrawal in 2018. Key breaches verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) included exceeding the 3.67% uranium enrichment limit (reaching up to 60% purity), surpassing authorized stockpiles, and using advanced centrifuges prohibited by the deal. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Aspects of Iran's Violations:

• Enrichment Levels: Iran increased uranium enrichment to 60%, significantly higher than the 3.67% limit mandated by the JCPOA.
• Stockpile Limits: Iran exceeded the permissible stockpiles of enriched uranium.
• Advanced Centrifuges: Iran installed and operated advanced centrifuges prohibited under the agreement.
  • Suspension of Monitoring: Since February 2021, Iran limited IAEA access, suspending some monitoring measures and the Additional Protocol.
  • Justification: Iran termed these actions as "reducing compliance" in response to the U.S. withdrawal and failure of other signatories to provide promised economic relief. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Pre-2019 Compliance:
For the first three years of the deal (2015–2018), the IAEA reported that Iran was complying with its nuclear-related commitments, as noted in assessments by the Arms Control Association and other experts. [1, 2, 3]
Current Status:
While the Iranian nuclear program remains under surveillance, the accumulated breaches have severely weakened the agreement, reducing the time needed to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon. [1, 2]

 

[TimFitz]

Only long enough to give peace a chance.

We may still have to turn their lights out completely.

Imagine the situation now with them already having nukes.

Then what?

Once Iran gets their own bomb, all this will go away.

Trump and Netanyahu’s brinksmanship virtually guarantees that outcome.

 

[TimFitz]

Did Iran violate JCPOA?



AI Overview



Yes, Iran began violating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in July 2019, following the U.S. withdrawal in 2018. Key breaches verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) included exceeding the 3.67% uranium enrichment limit (reaching up to 60% purity), surpassing authorized stockpiles, and using advanced centrifuges prohibited by the deal. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Aspects of Iran's Violations:

• Enrichment Levels: Iran increased uranium enrichment to 60%, significantly higher than the 3.67% limit mandated by the JCPOA.
• Stockpile Limits: Iran exceeded the permissible stockpiles of enriched uranium.
• Advanced Centrifuges:Iran installed and operated advanced centrifuges prohibited under the agreement.
  • Suspension of Monitoring: Since February 2021, Iran limited IAEA access, suspending some monitoring measures and the Additional Protocol.
  • Justification: Iran termed these actions as "reducing compliance" in response to the U.S. withdrawal and failure of other signatories to provide promised economic relief. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Pre-2019 Compliance:
For the first three years of the deal (2015–2018), the IAEA reported that Iran was complying with its nuclear-related commitments, as noted in assessments by the Arms Control Association and other experts. [1, 2, 3]
Current Status:
While the Iranian nuclear program remains under surveillance, the accumulated breaches have severely weakened the agreement, reducing the time needed to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon. [1, 2]

Trump blew up the JCPOA. Then doubled down on that by attacking Iran.

 

[ThisIsMe]

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You don’t get the reference?

 

[BackAgain]

Oh, I'm sorry. Here ya go.

Bombshell Intel Leak Demolishes Trump’s War Story

A CIA assessment undercuts the president’s bombastic claims.

www.thedailybeast.com

CIA Says Iran Can Outlast U.S. Blockade On Strait Of Hormuz For Months: Report

The intelligence analysis also allegedly concluded Tehran still retains major missile capabilities despite Trump's claims otherwise.

www.huffpost.com

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cia-believes-iran-can-withstand-us-blockade-for-2-4-months-report/

CIA Assesses that Iran Can Withstand US Blockade for Months | The Libertarian Institute

The CIA provided an assessment to the White House that Iran would be able to hold out against the US blockade for months before suffering more severe economic hardships. President Donald Trump has claimed that the blockade will force Tehran to comply with his demands. Four people familiar with the…

libertarianinstitute.org

Out of curiosity, let’s say that that one assessment is reported accurately.

Why is it significant that Iran can withstand American efforts for about 4 months?

I do believe that many wars have lasted far longer than just a few months. Just ask Russia.

 

[BackAgain]

Trump blew up the JCPOA. Then doubled down on that by attacking Iran.

The JCPOA required demolition. What a clusterfuck that was.

 

[candycorn]

The only reason Iran has the illusion of control of the Strait is their total violations mining and attacking unarmed tankers in International Waters. The insurance companies said they won't pay for the damages and THAT stopped the traffic. You are spot on about our drone and counter drone operations. In every conflict you learn what you missed and we missed on drone warfare big time.

Violations? Lol

 

[candycorn]

Out of curiosity, let’s say that that one assessment is reported accurately.

Why is it significant that Iran can withstand American efforts for about 4 months?

I do believe that many wars have lasted far longer than just a few months. Just ask Russia.

Because your blob said it would be over in 2-3 weeks. If you were adding a room to your shanty and the guy was off by 5x on how long it would take, would you still have confidence in him? Especially if your cost of living was ever increasing during that time period?

This is the part where you say something snide, insist Iran was about to nuke us, and swear you don’t like Trump all while sucking his cock.

 

[BackAgain]

For example, gas in Germany is now $10/gallon.

The leaders of the governments whose economies depend upon ME oil will start pressuring Bibi and the US to let the oil flow.

Here at home it now $4.5 to 4.7 with higher prices nearly assured

The vast majority of the world does not buy into the phony narrative that the US has to cause a recession because Iran can’t have a nuke

I can see how the increased cost of gas might lead to international pressures which could assist the Iranian regime.

On the other hand, they are presently being denied most of that cash flow almost entirely.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It matters little what Americans and our leaders want.

IN order to end Iran's ability to get a bomb, or control the straights, we would have to launch a global war and defeat both Russia and China as well.

Anyone that is really informed and following this knows at this point, Iran will not be defeated without the simultaneous defeat of Russia and China. Those nations won't allow Iran to fall to Israeli and western interests.

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Iran foreign minister meets Chinese counterpart a week before Trump's Beijing trip

“China believes that a complete cessation of hostilities is imperative, restarting the conflict is unacceptable and persisting in negotiations is particularly important,” the Chinese foreign ministry said after the talks.

www.nbcnews.com

Putin meets Iran’s top diplomat, commits to deep ties​

by Laura Kelly - 04/27/26 11:19 AM ET

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5850847-russia-iran-middle-east-peace/

This is all madness.

China isn't stupid.

Iran is just as likely to nuke them as they are the United States.

Unless China plans on joining the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[White 6]

Who or what told you that?

Lost of sources. Here is but one on them possessing a weapon, and this source doesn't have the history of lying, that Trump has.

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say

Although President Trump has claimed Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon, much more work was needed for the country to do so

www.scientificamerican.com

No, Iran is not currently pursuing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) program. While Iran has developed medium-range ballistic missiles, there is no evidence to suggest it is actively working on an ICBM system. Analysts assess that Iran has redirected its missile program focus away from developing an ICBM to developing solid-fueled versions of its short-range missiles.
nti.org armscontrol.org

 

[The Duke]

It's smoke and mirrors and a huge distraction. Everyone is talking about Iran, Nukes, the Strait of Hormuz, "those terrorists" (as if we're NOT terrorists), and related topics.

In the meantime, Oracle, Palantir, and Trump's "Technology Panel" are devising ways to encroach upon our Constitutional freedoms including the right to privacy.

Iran is not the enemy. America's enemy resides here in the USA. It lives in Washington D.C.. It lives in Langley, VA. It lives in Silicon Valley, CA. Iran is half way around the world and poses no threat at all. But you're completely surrounded by your real enemy. You're a slave to it and controlled by it.

The real "Challenge" is figuring out how to unplug from this real life Matrix.

The Iranian regime is our enemy, retard.
Have been for a long time.