A Challenge

[Crepitus]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

If that was a real concern the JPCOA would still be in effect. Since tRump killed it years ago I'd say Rubio is just blowing smoke up our collective asses,

 

[Chuz Life]

If that was a real concern the JPCOA would still be in effect. Since tRump killed it years ago I'd say Rubio is just blowing smoke up our collective asses,

 

[TemplarKormac]

Funny thing is, the peninsula is NOT part of Iran.

Imagine Iran's reaction if Musandam Governorate decides they want to put a toll on Iranian tankers too.

That would be hilarious.

 

[TemplarKormac]

They don't need one, but of course they don't have one, nor a delivery system.

Who or what told you that?

 

[Robert W]

If that was a real concern the JPCOA would still be in effect. Since tRump killed it years ago I'd say Rubio is just blowing smoke up our collective asses,

It was a deal made with the UN and Trump could not void it for the UN. It had a time span of 10 years and it was that point Trump was upset over. The deal was with Russia, China, and all of the UN in fact.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Iran is not currently pursuing the development of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). Instead, it has focused on solid-fueled short-range missile capabilities.
nti.org Wikipedia
I guess having had them parked ninety miles from our own coast, when I was a kid and now being 65 years older, simply makes me less nuclear squeamish than you. That and a lot of training in nuclear biologic and chemical defense and warfare. Don't let Little Marco (as Donny called him) scare you. Try to get some sleep, little one, and I will talk to you about it in about a week, when maybe your nerves will be more under control, instead of trembling like a little girl.

The TDS-sufferer is full of shit again! Tell your lies to the citizens of Europe that are now under the gun of those missiles? Did you miss the missile strike on Diego Garcia?

You do know ICBMs can be solid fueled rockets, right?

Stick to making the General's coffee the way he likes it!

 

[Chuz Life]

China is an interesting factor/ component in how the future of Iran is to play out. 100%

My question is, what kind of Iran and Iranian government is really in the best interest of China?

A nuke-armed dictatorship that wants to wield its power to someday wipe anyone who is not a Muslim off the face of the Earth? Or a self-governed Iran that uses its vast resources of oil to participate in the world economy, without the need or want to threaten or eliminate its neighbors for differences of religious beliefs?

China could get oil from either one.

It's going to be interesting to see if Trump can convince China that the non-nuclear, self-governed Iran is in China's (and the rest of the world's) best interest.

Replying to my own post to share this:

 

[MarathonMike]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

The only reason Iran has the illusion of control of the Strait is their total violations mining and attacking unarmed tankers in International Waters. The insurance companies said they won't pay for the damages and THAT stopped the traffic. You are spot on about our drone and counter drone operations. In every conflict you learn what you missed and we missed on drone warfare big time.

 

[Old Rocks]

This begs a question.

Would Iran's possession of nukes strengthen their ability to **** with the world's economy by threatening the Strait or would the possession of nukes make no significant difference at all?

Iran has effectively shut down Hormuz without nukes, therefore how would Iran having nukes make a difference at Hormuz. It would make a difference in other areas, but not Hormuz.

 

[Old Rocks]

 

[Chuz Life]

Iran has effectively shut down Hormuz without nukes, therefore how would Iran having nukes make a difference at Hormuz. It would make a difference in other areas, but not Hormuz.

Are you kidding?

It makes a difference with respect to what anyone is going to do about it.

Doesn't it?

 

[Robert W]

Iran has effectively shut down Hormuz without nukes, therefore how would Iran having nukes make a difference at Hormuz. It would make a difference in other areas, but not Hormuz.

From what I have learned, it was the insurance firms that shut the strait down, not Iran.

 

[yidnar]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

Iran currently has total control of the Straits eh ?? there's no need to even attempt to reason with an emotionally driven leftist like you ..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No it wasnt. Iran built 200000 missiles for 1 reason only.

And we all know its to destroy Israel and us un the region.

We need to finish these fuckers

When did Iran start firing these missiles at Israel?

 

[eagle1462010]

When did Iran start firing these missiles at Israel?

Everyday. Hamas, Hezballah, and the Houris ARE IRAN

 

[alang1216]

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Thanks for the historical update, I'll keep it for trivia night. However, it is hardly current.

They aint gettin no nukes,

That may not be up to you or me. They are quite cozy with both Russia and China so...

 

[JoeB131]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.

Meh, not really. they are able to control the Straight of Hormuz with cheap conventional drones and cheap mines.

Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

Guy, it sounds like you are trying to justify an ill-considered war after the fact.

Here's the problem with nuclear weapons. They are very good at keeping other countries from messing with you. They are less useful for imposing your will on other countries.

I guess that Iran could drop a nuke on a major port in the Gulf, but that would risk immediate retaliation from the US and Israel. The problem with nuclear war is that there are no "winners".

This begs a question.

Would Iran's possession of nukes strengthen their ability to **** with the world's economy by threatening the Strait or would the possession of nukes make no significant difference at all?

Not really. It would strengthen their ability to protect their own sovereignty, which we never should have been messing with at all.

We are essentially punishing Iran for having a form of government we don't like (Or more precisely, the Zionists who run our government don't like.)

Here's the thing. Bibi has been claiming Iran is weeks away from a nuke for 30 years now. He's been trying to get the US to attack Iran for that entire time, he just hasn't found a president stupid enough to do it until now.

Today, the world can throttle Iran's desire to control the Strait without worry that Iran might drop a nuke (most likely on Israel),

Let Iran build, and saber-rattle with nukes as their backup, and I think the dynamic shifts to something more like we see with North Korea.

Imagine if North Korea had access to an international waterway, like Iran has.

I don't think the world can afford to risk Iran having that ability or power.

But here's the thing. North Korea has nukes. But beyond that, nothing has really changed all that much. They can't impose their will on South Korea. They still need their economy to be propped up by the Chinese.

The main reason there won't be a war in Korea or on the Pacific Rim in general, despite you all wetting your beds over China, is because everyone is making a bunch of money through trade.

 

[JoeB131]

They aint gettin no nukes,

Unless you are willing to send hundreds of thousands of troops over there to invade the country, they are getting nukes if they want them.

They'd be foolish not to get nukes at this point.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope.

No chance for peace with a regime that slaughters tens of thousands of their own people for daring to protest against their oppressors in the streets.

You could apply the same standard to Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

Only long enough to give peace a chance.

We may still have to turn their lights out completely.

Imagine the situation now with them already having nukes.

Then what?

Then we'd have to treat them with the same respect we treat Russia and China.

which we should have been doing all along.