WHY on earth would you expect candyass to ever be convinced the CIA did 9/11 as well? think about that for a second.
To be honest, I'm alright with candycorn believing whatever he wants to believe forevermore. So long as we can actually discuss the evidence for our prospective viewpoints, I, atleast, will probably be learning some things, the audience watching us may learn some things and even he may learn a thing or 2. That, in my view, is the primary reason for having discussions with those you disagree with on a given issue.
well you have been given fair warning.If you choose to ignore my advise and feed the troll and make his handlers happy by wasting your time on him,that is your perogative but an ignorant choice. Countless others have noticed that when he was cornered and could not refute the facts he went into meltdown mode and threw his usual insults.
Look, I think it's clear that you believe that candy is the 'highest paid shill' here or what not. I just wish you wouldn't always be reminding everyone of this belief of yours. I've heard your reasoning for coming to the conclusion that he is a shill, and to me, it amounts to a whole lot of conjecture. Personally, my greatest concern with your contention is that it's flat out false. But even if it were true, I don't think bringing it up time and again is anything but a distraction. What you are doing -could- fit in as Rule #5 in
Twenty Five Ways to Suppress Truth:
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5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.**
Yes, the term shill isn't in there, but I think "and so forth" covers it.
As I mentioned with candy, I am not saying that you are trying to suppress the truth. I do believe, however, that regardless of your intent, you may be doing it anyway. It's so easy to attack the messenger. What's much harder is to try to look carefully at the message(s) they're trying to convey.
WHY on earth would you expect candyass to ever be convinced the CIA did 9/11 as well? think about that for a second.
To be honest, I'm alright with candycorn believing whatever he wants to believe forevermore. So long as we can actually discuss the evidence for our prospective viewpoints, I, atleast, will probably be learning some things, the audience watching us may learn some things and even he may learn a thing or 2. That, in my view, is the primary reason for having discussions with those you disagree with on a given issue.
Well if you are going to ignore my advise,than thats your funeral and an ignorant choice. If you cant see the obvious he is a paid shill I dont know what to tell you.
Why do you think what is obvious to you isn't obvious to me? Has it ever occurred to you that you might be mistaken? There's a quote from Mark Twain that Al Gore once used:
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”
As I said before,they are easy to spot as hell,
You have stated this before, certainly...
the ones that are just in denial,they just come back and throw one liner insults and run off.
Again, how are you so sure?
there are tons of those here.
That statement reminds me of a few lines from one of my favourite animes, Xam'd: Lost Memories:
**
Where is my enemy?
This is your enemy. That is your enemy.
This one is without a doubt your enemy.
The enemy of the people is your enemy as well.
Ah, but do you not yet see, this is the easy… the clear answer?
Words from those who look without seeing....
Enemies no longer charge out in helmet and armor, as in days of old.
Nowadays they use slide rules, advanced mathematics, and data to make their calculations…
And yet, somehow, this sort of enemy does not stir my heart.
You fear that upon seizing them, you’ll find you’ve grabbed a decoy, or perhaps even an ally.
My enemy is not to be sought, lest we find ourselves surrounded…**
I think you have fallen into the trap of seeing tons of enemies, when there are in fact no real enemies. Enough distrust can -make- enemies though, which is why I think the last line in the above quote is crucial: "My enemy is not to be sought, lest we find ourselves surrounded". I try to focus on what it says just before that, of those who may -appear- to be enemies, but may in effect act be "a decoy, or perhaps even an ally".
Don't be a modern Don Quijote, lancing windmills you take to be giants. It may be that the people who -own- the windmills may be part of a ruling class that crushes the downtrodden, but the windmills aren't to blame.
the shills like candyass,they make up one lie after another and evade facts and change the subject.countless others have had that experience with him in the past.
As I've mentioned before, I suspect that candy may actually be suffering from cognitive dissonance. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, wikipedia introduces it thusly:
**In psychology,
cognitive dissonance is the
mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas, or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.
[1][2]
Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance—as well as actively avoid situations and information likely to increase it.
[1]**
Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That being said, one of the simplest ways to avoid cognitive dissonance is to simply avoid situations where you'll be confronted with voices that disagree with your own mindset. I must give some credit to those who decide to brave these choppy seas anyway.
Many others have also seen recently how when he is cornered and cant refute facts,he throws insults.
I think I've seen enough of candy to come up with some theories as to why he throws insults- put simply, he finds what many here say (including myself) to be highly frustrating. He can't see why we don't subscribe to his beliefs and in frustration, he'll lob some insults, perhaps thinking that this will break the impasse. I've seen the effects of insults in many debates, and by and large, I've found that, far from being helpful, they're detrimental, but I have come to realize that many people on both sides of the fence seem to use them on a rare and even regular basis. I have also found, however, that as a general rule, the less a person insults others, the less they are insulted in turn.
WHY on earth would you expect candyass to ever be convinced the CIA did 9/11 as well? think about that for a second.
To be honest, I'm alright with candycorn believing whatever he wants to believe forevermore. So long as we can actually discuss the evidence for our prospective viewpoints, I, atleast, will probably be learning some things, the audience watching us may learn some things and even he may learn a thing or 2. That, in my view, is the primary reason for having discussions with those you disagree with on a given issue.
well if you cant see the obvious that he is a paid shill I dont know what to tell you. As I got done saying,the more and more you feed the troll the more and more you please his hanlders for taking his bait and letting him waste your time on him.
Yes, you do keep on telling me these things. But saying something is a certain way doesn't mean that that's necessarily the way it really is.
as I said before,9/11 is over and done with,that is the least of our problems that we have to worry about from the government right now.
Personally, I find that it's a subject that I think still holds merit today.
I used to be as guilty of that as anybody of discussing it and feeding the trolls but i got wise and stopped years ago.
There you go again, labelling people with insulting words like "trolls" -.-.. That being said, I certainly agree that sometimes, it's a good thing to just step back from certain situations, especially if they don't seem to be helping you achieve what you want in life. I've certainly stepped away from discussions regarding 9/11 for long stretches of time in the past. I recently decided to make a comeback however, and I'm not regretting that decision. I can always step away from it again if I wish to.
WHY on earth would you expect candyass to ever be convinced the CIA did 9/11 as well? think about that for a second.
To be honest, I'm alright with candycorn believing whatever he wants to believe forevermore. So long as we can actually discuss the evidence for our prospective viewpoints, I, atleast, will probably be learning some things, the audience watching us may learn some things and even he may learn a thing or 2. That, in my view, is the primary reason for having discussions with those you disagree with on a given issue.
You are forgetting that he KNOWS as well as we do it was an inside job.
You seem to be forgetting that I am far from persuaded that you are right on that count.
Okay that is your perogative to do so to please his handlers by feeding the troll.Nothing I say is going to change your mind I see.again they got paid shills everywhere on message boards.
Something might change my mind, but the evidence you have presented certainly wasn't enough to do it. The same with the idea that there are paid shills everyone on message boards. I do believe that there are some shills on some message boards, but I'm much more skeptical about shills "everywhere" on message boards.
This is just one of several they have them at. Candyass has posted at SEVERAL message boards trolling night and day posting lie after lie,NOBODY has that much time on their hands UNLESS they of course are a paid shill.
Or perhaps he's disabled, perhaps he's retired, perhaps he's wealthy and can spare the time, perhaps you're miscalculating how much time he spends. There are a lot of possibilities.
WHY on earth would you expect candyass to ever be convinced the CIA did 9/11 as well? think about that for a second.
To be honest, I'm alright with candycorn believing whatever he wants to believe forevermore. So long as we can actually discuss the evidence for our prospective viewpoints, I, atleast, will probably be learning some things, the audience watching us may learn some things and even he may learn a thing or 2. That, in my view, is the primary reason for having discussions with those you disagree with on a given issue.
well I see i am getting nowhere on this with you and you are not going to take my advise.thats your choice to do but an ignorant one in doing so.I can only try and lead the horse to the water so many times but i cant make him drink it.Its your funeral,not mine.
Or you're mistaken, and that Oasis of water that you thought was only a mirage was in fact an Oasis.
I have no problem with someone discussing it with someone who disagrees on it but AGAIN,candyass KNOWS just as well as we do it was an inside job so to keep feeding the troll like you do,you are making his handlers happy by doing so since he is accomplishing his mission his handler has sent him to accomplish which is waste your time by replying to his trolling in his handlers desire to derail any truth discussion.
The way you speak of these handlers you allege candy has, you'd almost think you saw them talking to candycorn online
.
maybe a few posters here you have noticed have joked about him being a paid shill but this other message board i used to post at before i came here that he trolled at as well,there were many there who saw the obvious i do that he is a paid shill.
Lynch mobs think their targets are legitimate too. There's a reason why we don't allow people to determine whether someone is guilty of something simply by having a few people get together and call it. The
rules of evidence were established for a reason.
at that site before it shut down,he socked under many different user names because so many people there put him on ignore same as I have done.He HATED people putting him on ignore there.
Again, I will grant that he may actually be a shill, as you say. But I'm not willing to run with that until I see what I believe to is solid evidence on that count. And even if I -did- believe that, I wouldn't be bringing it up all the time. I know that you think discussing things with him is a waste of time, but right now, he's about the only person from the opposite side of the fence is who is in discussing the evidence at all.
There was this one poster at that site back then who reminded me and awful lot of you.At first he was wise and took my lead and had him on ignore in the beginning,but then he got stupid and took him off ignore and started replying to him feeding the troll again against my advise.
Eventually a year later,he FINALLY stopped being stupid and finally took my advise a year too late telling him something that went like this-"Candycorn,i have discussed this with you for a year now.You ignore facts,change the subject,and then start insulting people.I am done with you.I cannot believe I wasted this much time on you."
Well, perhaps a year from now I will feel the same way. I doubt it though. You see, I don't measure my effectiveness in a debate on whether or not my opponent is a shill. I measure it on whether or not I'm getting my points across. There was a moment recently where I thought I'd lost candy and he was going to keep on repeating his queries while ignoring my responses. That, in my view, would have been the end of any legitimate discussion on the subject of 9/11 with him here. But no sooner had I resigned myself to waiting for someone else on the opposite side of the fence to pick up on my points then he reversed course and responded to various points of mine.
He COULD have saved himself a year of wasting his valuable time on the troll if he had not been stupid and had listened to me in the first place.
Who knows, perhaps my time isn't as valuable as that of your friend's
.
He may right NOW be being civilized to you,but later on down the road you will find out as everyone else does,that he gets angry and starts calling you names when he cant refute facts. Matter of fact a few others noticed that recently on that other 9/11 thread and mentioned that to him recently.
If the noise to signal ratio becomes too large, rest assured, I will end the conversation.
there are MANY paid shills on this forum same as him as well. Dale found that out on this thread and eventually wised up. as you can see by reading his thread here,he found out what all truuthers found out,it is impossible to have a discussion with someone like candycorn without them calling you names and throwing insults when they cant refute facts.
Dale eventually said to me on this thread when I asked him why he wasted his time on them something like -well I thought I would be able to have a civilized discussion here with people on this but I can see that is not possible so yeah,I am now taking your advise and plan to ignore them now.HE got wise.
I see
. Well, we'll see how things go.
as you see for yourself on this thread,he TRIED to have a civilized discussion with them but they ALL insulted him when they could not counter his facts he presented..
While I have mapped this entire thread, I haven't actually carefully read through it all. A thread map simply makes it easy to find out which posts were responded to and which ones weren't, as well as who's been talking to who. I did skim through the posts themselves, and found out a bit of information, but I'd need to go back if I were to examine all the points made. I could do that, but not sure I will; it just seems a bit more in depth then I'd like to take it. I doubt anyone else here has even made a thread map of this thread ;-).
He eventually after a year found out he should have listened to me,you will as well,hopefully much sooner than that fool did though.
