62% of 18-29 Year Olds Have a Favorable View of Socialism

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Where were you when these “rich” people were up in arms about the SALT cap deduction cap? Rich Democrats didn’t want to “pay their fair share” and the Democratic Party supported them. They wanted to continue to have their exorbitant property taxes subsidized by the other federal income tax payers, including the middle class and the poor. The Republicans were forced to acquiesce in the Big Beautiful Bill and raise the cap to 40k/yr. They wanted it removed entirely but were forced to compromise. How many poor people do you know that are paying 40k/y in property taxes?

You are being hoodwinked by the Democratic Party. They don’t care about poor people, they care about protecting the ruling class…the ultra-wealthy.

Sure..................

Why did Trump hire so many?

Trump billionaire Cabinet gets richer as Americans struggle​

The Oklahoman
https://www.oklahoman.com › story › guest › 2025/03/18
Mar 18, 2025 — There are 13 billionaires in the Trump administration. And many of the president's appointees, and many of the president’s appointees, like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., have no qualifications for the important work they are supposed to do.

 

[22lcidw]

Sure..................

Why did Trump hire so many?

Trump billionaire Cabinet gets richer as Americans struggle​

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The Oklahoman
https://www.oklahoman.com › story › guest › 2025/03/18
Mar 18, 2025 — There are 13 billionaires in the Trump administration. And many of the president's appointees, and many of the president’s appointees, like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., have no qualifications for the important work they are supposed to do.

You have your opinions. Tell us the greatness say, that was in the last administration. From your typing, it is a wonder you lost the election. Many rich people are entrepreneurs, and they hit on some type of service and/or product of any kind introduction. They employ people doing it.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You have your opinions. Tell us the greatness say, that was in the last administration. From your typing, it is a wonder you lost the election.

Trump cheated, just like the 2 times before.

Many rich people are entrepreneurs, and they hit on some type of service and/or product of any kind introduction. They employ people doing it.

By wiping out the small businesses and ANY competition.

Just like Walmart and Home Depot.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That was not democratic socialism; it was Communism. Communism does not prove that democratic socialism does not work; it proves that a dictatorship is an inappropriate government for command economy.

PoliticalChic, you are unable to understand ambivalence and nuance.

There is no difference, you fraud.

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Yes, Vladimir Lenin stated that
"The goal of socialism is communism". This view is central to Marxist-Leninist ideology, which posits socialism as a necessary transitional stage between capitalism and full communism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are disturbed and disturbing. I am no more responsible for Stalin's crimes than you are for the Holocaust.

Stop looking for excuses to hate people.

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Yes, Vladimir Lenin stated that
"The goal of socialism is communism". This view is central to Marxist-Leninist ideology, which posits socialism as a necessary transitional stage between capitalism and full communism.

“….Communism enabled the Soviet Union to industrialize rapidly enough to produce the weapons that enabled the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazi invasion. The vast majority of German casualties were on the Russian front.

Communism enabled Communist China to produce the best consumer goods at the lowest prices. “

62% of 18-29 Year Olds Have a Favorable View of Socialism post #264



You are accepting 65 million human beings slaughtered.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have a pretty avatar, but an ugly personality.

You give the appearance of someone who is unhappy with her life and who directs her anger at political targets who have never harmed you in any way.

These are stories you tell to hide your acceptance of murder.

 

[j-mac]

Trump cheated, just like the 2 times before.

How so? Can you lay out the steps he took that was cheating?

By wiping out the small businesses and ANY competition.

Just like Walmart and Home Depot.

So, you are against lower prices delivered through volume?

 

[pknopp]

Where were you when these “rich” people were up in arms about the SALT cap deduction cap? Rich Democrats didn’t want to “pay their fair share” and the Democratic Party supported them.

And I condemned them for it.

I believe it never passed so.........

They wanted to continue to have their exorbitant property taxes subsidized by the other federal income tax payers, including the middle class and the poor. The Republicans were forced to acquiesce in the Big Beautiful Bill and raise the cap to 40k/yr. They wanted it removed entirely but were forced to compromise. How many poor people do you know that are paying 40k/y in property taxes?

Trump says he is for it also. Though granted, Trump says a lot of things.

You are being hoodwinked by the Democratic Party. They don’t care about poor people, they care about protecting the ruling class…the ultra-wealthy.

As do the Republicans so.....

 

[pknopp]

In other words, they don’t know what they are supporting when they say they support Socialism. Seems like a lack of understanding to me.

Just as has been pointed about capitalism.

 

[task0778]

The U.S. Constitution was not written and signed to reduce the power of the government, but to increase it. The Articles of Confederation in effect at the time created a government that was too weak.

The US constitution was written to LIMIT the power of gov't to those functions deemed necessary for a federal gov't to serve it's people. It is ain't in there then the federal gov't is not supposed to have the authority to do it. And we have a Supreme Court that is supposed to make sure the Congress and the Executive do not overreach their authority, which they sometimes do.

True, it happens anyway. In my view, Congress has usurped power in the areas of health, education, and housing that are supposed to be in the province of the states. And of course, presidents have exceeded their power too, beyond what the law intended.

Re the Articles of Confederation, under that proposal the federal gov't wasn't strong enough to ward off intervention from foreign gov'ts. There are certain functions that individual states should cede to the federal level, so in that sense the Constitution did increase the power of gov't enough to allow America to function as an international entity.

 

[pknopp]

The US constitution was written to LIMIT the power of gov't to those functions deemed necessary for a federal gov't to serve it's people. It is ain't in there then the federal gov't is not supposed to have the authority to do it. And we have a Supreme Court that is supposed to make sure the Congress and the Executive do not overreach their authority, which they sometimes do.

True, it happens anyway. In my view, Congress has usurped power in the areas of health, education, and housing that are supposed to be in the province of the states. And of course, presidents have exceeded their power too, beyond what the law intended.

Re the Articles of Confederation, under that proposal the federal gov't wasn't strong enough to ward off intervention from foreign gov'ts. There are certain functions that individual states should cede to the federal level, so in that sense the Constitution did increase the power of gov't enough to allow America to function as an international entity.

States ceded much of their authority when they passed the 14th. The original intent no longer exists.

No it wasn't the founders intent but it was for those who came after and the founders created the ability to do this.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Or B, u fuckers R lazy

 

[task0778]

Just as has been pointed about capitalism.

I dunno about that. Who among us does not know of the inequalities of income and weaqlth? Those who support capitalism do have a fair understanding of what that means, cuz we live in that economic system and the critics have consistently attacked it. Unjustly IMHO, the problems with capitalism are supposed to be managed by gov't to ensure a fair and level playing field and nobody gets cheated. If/when that doesn't happen it is NOT the fault of capitalism but of the gov't that is supposed to prevent that from happening and allow for redress if it does.

 

[pknopp]

I dunno about that. Who among us does not know of the inequalities of income and weaqlth? Those who support capitalism do have a fair understanding of what that means, cuz we live in that economic system and the critics have consistently attacked it.

Not what I've been discussing. It's common for faux supporters of capitalism to try and change the subject though.

Unjustly IMHO, the problems with capitalism are supposed to be managed by gov't to ensure a fair and level playing field and nobody gets cheated. If/when that doesn't happen it is NOT the fault of capitalism but of the gov't that is supposed to prevent that from happening and allow for redress if it does.

I'm not really interested in theories...........I'm discussing realities. Nowhere in capitalism do we find the part about taxpayers bailing out business but that is the reality of our system.

 

[task0778]

States ceded much of their authority when they passed the 14th. The original intent no longer exists.

No it wasn't the founders intent but it was for those who came after and the founders created the ability to do this.

I don't think the states ceded that much authority with the passing of the 14th Amendment; that Amendment makes clear that you cannot discriminate against a particular group of people and no state should be allowed to do that.

And I do believe the original intent does exist, and we have justices on the Supreme Court that base their rulings on that. There are gov't functions that the federal level should handle and other functions that should belong to the states to decide for their citizens. That and the separation of powers was the original intent of the Constitution, and the Supreme Court does try to enforce that. Sometimes they kinda mess up and allow the President or Congress to do things beyond the original intent, but the Constitution doesn't say what you cannot do, it says what you are supposed to do and if it ain't in there then you ain't allowed to do it.

 

[pknopp]

I don't think the states ceded that much authority with the passing of the 14th Amendment; that Amendment makes clear that you cannot discriminate against a particular group of people and no state should be allowed to do that.

And I do believe the original intent does exist, and we have justices on the Supreme Court that base their rulings on that. There are gov't functions that the federal level should handle and other functions that should belong to the states to decide for their citizens. That and the separation of powers was the original intent of the Constitution, and the Supreme Court does try to enforce that. Sometimes they kinda mess up and allow the President or Congress to do things beyond the original intent, but the Constitution doesn't say what you cannot do, it says what you are supposed to do and if it ain't in there then you ain't allowed to do it.

There has never been any intent with the founders concerning the idea that anyone was above the law, yet they ruled that way.

 

[MarathonMike]

Turns out that Social Mobility in US is a myth

That's what Big Gubmint Democrats say. "It's not your fault! Just let government take care of you!"

 

[task0778]

I'm not really interested in theories...........I'm discussing realities. Nowhere in capitalism do we find the part about taxpayers bailing out business but that is the reality of our system.

Nowhere in capitalism do we find the part about taxpayers bailing out Businesses. Very true.

But that is the reality of our system. That is the reality of our gov't. The excesses of capitalism ought to be addressed by the gov't as well as it's failures. Every economic model has it's failures, cuz it is comprised of people who are looking out for their own self-interest. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's gotta be tempered with justice to ensure than no one's rights are diminished. And that does not mean distribution of wealth or equal outcomes. You can strangle the golden goose, but all you end up with is a dead goose.

 

[pknopp]

Nowhere in capitalism do we find the part about taxpayers bailing out Businesses. Very true.

But that is the reality of our system. That is the reality of our gov't. The excesses of capitalism ought to be addressed by the gov't as well as it's failures. Every economic model has it's failures, cuz it is comprised of people who are looking out for their own self-interest. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's gotta be tempered with justice to ensure than no one's rights are diminished. And that does not mean distribution of wealth or equal outcomes. You can strangle the golden goose, but all you end up with is a dead goose.

But bailing out banks/business is a redistribution of wealth. That is our system.

 

[Hector12]

There is no difference, you fraud.

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Yes, Vladimir Lenin stated that
"The goal of socialism is communism". This view is central to Marxist-Leninist ideology, which posits socialism as a necessary transitional stage between capitalism and full communism.

PoliticalChic, your use of insults and name calling Do not make your perspective more persuasive.

On the basis of my reasonably extensive study of the writings of Karl Marx I think he had two valid insights and that he was mistaken about everything else.

I have also read Vladimir Lenin and disagree with him about everything. You seem to agree with him.

As a political movement and philosophy socialism existed before Communism. Marx criticized it in The Communist Manifesto:

"Thus, in 1847, socialism was a middle-class movement, communism a working-class movement. Socialism was, on the Continent at least, “respectable”; communism was the very opposite. And as our notion, from the very beginning, was that “the emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself,” there could be no doubt as to which of the two names we must take. Moreover, we have, ever since, been far from repudiating it."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

The closest approximation to democratic socialism that has worked is Scandinavian Social Democracy. In Scandinavia there is a mixed economy with a well financed public sector of the economy that is paid for by steeply progressive taxation. The public sector includes socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine spend less per capita than the United States on health care. they get better results.

There is no possibility of a Communist dictatorship emerging in Scandinavia. Communist dictatorships emerge when capitalist dictatorships have failed.