58 straight months of jobs growth, ACA working great where allowed to, where is this bad economy?

[Faun]

My math in no way conflicts with yours, and especially since we're getting the same answer I'm at a loss as to what you think is wrong. Especially since I gave you my BLS source. You can check my math

Then do the math - your link doesn't show the gross change that you say you are netting out.

The U.S. population of those 16 years and older does not increase 700K+ in a month. That is pure nonsense.

I didn't say it did. It went up 213k
743k entered, 530k left. Go to my link, the total for "other inflows" clearly says 743k (last column, 4th row)
Total for "other outflows" is 530k (next to last column, 5th row.

Other inflows are people Who were not employed, unemployed, or not in the labor force the previous month bu are now

Blaming it on the boomers appeared earlier in this thread (as well as in numerous others on this board). Look it up for yourself if you want to see who all promotes this view.


And the footnote for that is:

(2) Includes persons just turning 16 and adjustments to estimated population totals.

Which proves my point that the whose who are younger age cohorts are not entering the workforce, hence they are significant components of the drop in the LFPR. It's NOT JUST BOOMERS.

Who is arguing that the drop in the labor force participation rate is due solely because of baby boomers??

.... is there a retort in there? Speak up next time.

 

[Faun]

My math in no way conflicts with yours, and especially since we're getting the same answer I'm at a loss as to what you think is wrong. Especially since I gave you my BLS source. You can check my math

Then do the math - your link doesn't show the gross change that you say you are netting out.

The U.S. population of those 16 years and older does not increase 700K+ in a month. That is pure nonsense.

I didn't say it did. It went up 213k
743k entered, 530k left. Go to my link, the total for "other inflows" clearly says 743k (last column, 4th row)
Total for "other outflows" is 530k (next to last column, 5th row.

Other inflows are people Who were not employed, unemployed, or not in the labor force the previous month bu are now

And the footnote for that is:

(2) Includes persons just turning 16 and adjustments to estimated population totals.

Which proves my point that the whose who are younger age cohorts are not entering the workforce, hence they are significant components of the drop in the LFPR. It's NOT JUST BOOMERS.

Who is arguing that the drop in the labor force participation rate is due solely because of baby boomers??

Blaming it on the boomers appeared earlier in this thread (as well as in numerous others on this board). Look it up for yourself if you want to see who all promotes this view.

No one is saying there is no other reason. Just because they cite the impact of baby boomers on the LFPR does not mean that is their only reason. And what you will not find, is anyone here saying the only reason for the LFPR drop is because of baby boomers retiring. Time and time again, you have been shown that baby boomers constitute at least 50% of the drop in the LFPR. Denying retiring baby boomers have lowered the LFPR only serves to expose you as crazy.

 

[healthmyths]

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

 

[Faun]

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

 

[healthmyths]

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

These ALL happened in 8 year period... NEVER has there been that many hurricanes in the history...
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 deaths $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 deaths $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 deaths $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 deaths $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 deaths $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 deaths $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 deaths $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground

 

[Faun]

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

These ALL happened in 8 year period... NEVER has there been that many hurricanes in the history...
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 deaths $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 deaths $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 deaths $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 deaths $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 deaths $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 deaths $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 deaths $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground

You said that 2003 and 2006 were among the worst hurricane season ever. I'm still waiting for you to show that.

 

[healthmyths]

So what the hell has Obama had to overcome to get the "profits" corporate profits!!!

 

[healthmyths]

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

These ALL happened in 8 year period... NEVER has there been that many hurricanes in the history...
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 deaths $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 deaths $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 deaths $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 deaths $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 deaths $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 deaths $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 deaths $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground

You said that 2003 and 2006 were among the worst hurricane season ever. I'm still waiting for you to show that.

I said from 2003 to 2008 the WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!!!! PLURAL...
That meaning there were more devastating hurricanes during that period of years then ever in the history!!!
Check out this web site OK???
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground
SEASONS PLURAL no other president has ever had such devastating hurricanes HURRICANES... in their 8 years ...
PLUS you had the recession that STARTED UNDER CLINTON... the Dot.com bust that cost $5 trillion in market value meaning
TAX REVENUE DECLINES.... But of course you people don't remember that do you!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 - and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble How to lose 5 trillion Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

 

[Faun]

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

These ALL happened in 8 year period... NEVER has there been that many hurricanes in the history...
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 deaths $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 deaths $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 deaths $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 deaths $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 deaths $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 deaths $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 deaths $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground

You said that 2003 and 2006 were among the worst hurricane season ever. I'm still waiting for you to show that.

I said from 2003 to 2008 the WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!!!! PLURAL...
That meaning there were more devastating hurricanes during that period of years then ever in the history!!!
Check out this web site OK???
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground
SEASONS PLURAL no other president has ever had such devastating hurricanes HURRICANES... in their 8 years ...
PLUS you had the recession that STARTED UNDER CLINTON... the Dot.com bust that cost $5 trillion in market value meaning
TAX REVENUE DECLINES.... But of course you people don't remember that do you!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 - and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble How to lose 5 trillion Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

Do you even know what you post or are you too brain damaged to comprehend what you write.

You broke down growth by year and next to the years, 2003, 2004, 2005, & 2006, you wrote, "worst hurricane seasons."

That's bullshit.

 

[healthmyths]

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

View attachment 46950

What placed 2003 and 2006 among the worst hurricane seasons?

These ALL happened in 8 year period... NEVER has there been that many hurricanes in the history...
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 deaths $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 deaths $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 deaths $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 deaths $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 deaths $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 deaths $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 deaths $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground

You said that 2003 and 2006 were among the worst hurricane season ever. I'm still waiting for you to show that.

I said from 2003 to 2008 the WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!!!! PLURAL...
That meaning there were more devastating hurricanes during that period of years then ever in the history!!!
Check out this web site OK???
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters Weather Underground
SEASONS PLURAL no other president has ever had such devastating hurricanes HURRICANES... in their 8 years ...
PLUS you had the recession that STARTED UNDER CLINTON... the Dot.com bust that cost $5 trillion in market value meaning
TAX REVENUE DECLINES.... But of course you people don't remember that do you!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 - and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble How to lose 5 trillion Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

Do you even know what you post or are you too brain damaged to comprehend what you write.

You broke down growth by year and next to the years, 2003, 2004, 2005, & 2006, you wrote, "worst hurricane seasons."

That's bullshit.

The hurricane center declares "HURRICANE SEASON"... for each year dumb f...K!
The Atlantic hurricane season is the period in a year when hurricanes usually form in the Atlantic Ocean.
So 2003 had a hurricane SEASON!!!
2004 had a hurricane SEASON!

There Top 10 Busiest Atlantic Hurricane Seasons Weather Underground
NOTE: 2001 2003,,2004, 2005,2007,2008 all in the top 15 of the worst hurricane SEASONS!!!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

View attachment 46951

Look, Sealy...this really isn't rocket science. American corporations compete in a global economy. If you burden them with too many regulations, things like the ACA and things like ridiculous $15 an hour minimum wages for unskilled labor...then they WILL build that new factory somewhere else.

Corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. It's time to stop with the "burdensome regulations" BS.

Did just a little bit of research on "have corporate profits tripled under Obama...
Please tell me where this is a "triple " profits?
NOTE: Bush had Recession...dot com bust... 9/11.... worst hurricane SEASONS... all events NeVER experienced by any presidency.
But Bush had higher growth rate then Obama IN Spite of 9/11/worst hurricanes/etc....
What has Obama FACED??? NOTHING!!!

Really? I said corporate profits have nearly tripled under Obama. That's not what you showed.Look at data from 1st quarter '09 to now. You will see an over 180% gain.

Graph Corporate Profits After Tax without IVA and CCAdj - FRED - St. Louis Fed


Profits & Markets
Corporate Profits — Corporate profits have soared under Obama, smashing all previous records.

After-tax corporate profits are up since our last report. They hit a seasonally adjusted yearly rate of just under $1.9 trillion in the first three months of this year, according to the most recent figures from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. That nearly equals the record level set in the third quarter of 2014.

Profits are now running 182 percent higher than in the recession-plagued quarter just before Obama entered office. And they are 34 percent higher than in the best quarter prior to his taking office, which was the third quarter of 2006.


Read more at FactCheck Obama s numbers July 2015 update


It's hard to argue that "burdensome regulations" are hindering business growth under this president.

 

[bedowin62]

its true; the Left is cheering the record profits of Wall Street DOW corporations they vowed to SHUT DOWN AND "OCCUPY" not that long ago, hollering "MAKE THEM PAY!!"

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So what the hell has Obama had to overcome to get the "profits" corporate profits!!!

View attachment 46953

The better question is what has business had to overcome to get those profits?
It seems those "burdensome regulations" aren't the problem you all make them out to be.

 

[bedowin62]

So what the hell has Obama had to overcome to get the "profits" corporate profits!!!

View attachment 46953

The better question is what has business had to overcome to get those profits?
It seems those "burdensome regulations" aren't the problem you all make them out to be.

OR
most corporations are multinationals and their overseas subsidiaries are the ones making money. corporations have a fiduciary duty to make money for the stockholders, so yea, even with burdensome regulations they are going to find a way to make money

libs are idiots

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So what the hell has Obama had to overcome to get the "profits" corporate profits!!!

View attachment 46953

The better question is what has business had to overcome to get those profits?
It seems those "burdensome regulations" aren't the problem you all make them out to be.

OR
most corporations are multinationals and their overseas subsidiaries are the ones making money. corporations have a fiduciary duty to make money for the stockholders, so yea, even with burdensome regulations they are going to find a way to make money

libs are idiots

The irony is perfect in this post. You simultaineously agree with me and even strengthen my point while also calling me an idiot.
Brilliant!

 

[bedowin62]

So what the hell has Obama had to overcome to get the "profits" corporate profits!!!

View attachment 46953

The better question is what has business had to overcome to get those profits?
It seems those "burdensome regulations" aren't the problem you all make them out to be.

OR
most corporations are multinationals and their overseas subsidiaries are the ones making money. corporations have a fiduciary duty to make money for the stockholders, so yea, even with burdensome regulations they are going to find a way to make money

libs are idiots

The irony is perfect in this post. You simultaineously agree with me and even strengthen my point while also calling me an idiot.
Brilliant!

YAWN. i didnt agree with you unless you are saying coroporations DO have much to overcome regardling regulations to return a profit for investers, up to and including making more money from their overseas subsidiaries

 

[bedowin62]

oh and they also pass on the costs of regulations to the extent possible, if this is your idea of a "win"?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

oh and they also pass on the costs of regulations to the extent possible, if this is your idea of a "win"?

Obamacare Is Barely Denting Corporate Profits - Bloomberg Business

(Bloomberg) -- The biggest entitlement legislation in a generation is causing barely a ripple in corporate America.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- otherwise known as Obamacare -- is putting such a small dent in the profits of U.S. companies that many refer to its impact as “not material” or “not significant,” according to a Bloomberg review of conference-call transcripts and interviews with major U.S. employers.

 

[bedowin62]

oh and they also pass on the costs of regulations to the extent possible, if this is your idea of a "win"?

Obamacare Is Barely Denting Corporate Profits - Bloomberg Business

(Bloomberg) -- The biggest entitlement legislation in a generation is causing barely a ripple in corporate America.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- otherwise known as Obamacare -- is putting such a small dent in the profits of U.S. companies that many refer to its impact as “not material” or “not significant,” according to a Bloomberg review of conference-call transcripts and interviews with major U.S. employers.

IT ISNT EVEN FULLY IN EFFECT now is it?
try again

 

[francoHFW]

Make up your minds. Do the rich own and control our government or not?

You Republicans defend the very rich and powerful that own you.

Yes, the wealthy of the world wield immense power over government not only here but EVERYWHERE! Even in communist countries there was always an "elite" class of people who lived totally different from the masses. It was that way in Cuba...it was that way in the Soviet Union and China. So kindly explain how progressive policies address that? They pay it lip service, Sealy but when Barack Obama is hanging out with the people he's hanging out with this week in Martha's Vineyard do you NOT think that those people in large part "control" our government? I've got news for you...if you're palling around with the POTUS then you've got some huge clout!

But only the GOP here fights for secret campaign funding and no limits on lobbying campaign financing duh. People paying for getting destructive, greedy stuff, like screwing the workers, customers and the environment duh.

What the GOP "fought for" was the right for Americans to contribute to political causes they support without having to fear repercussions from employers or the government in power. You know like some zealot in the IRS deciding that because you're a conservative that they should leak your confidential taxpayer information to your political enemies? Sound familiar?

Nixon? That's why they changed the rules so presidents have little power over the IRS. Sorry, duped AGAIN, hater dupe.

They "changed the rules" Franco because Nixon tried to use the IRS against his political enemies UNSUCCESSFULLY! Barack Obama and the Progressives on the other hand were successful in doing what Nixon attempted. They used the power of the IRS against their political opponents. One of the main reasons Nixon was going to be impeached was what he attempted to do with the IRS. So what punishment has been meted out to Obama or anyone else involved in the IRS scandal?

Nixon actually did it, chump. There is no IRS scandal, just an underfunded IRS dealing with a huge number of bs Tea Party orgs. There is no evidence it caused them any harm, and none were turned down. Total bs, Foxbot or whatever.