20,000 gun laws

[XponentialChaos]

XponentialChaos furthermore the courts disagree with each other on the constitutionality.

Contradictory opinions indicate the courts are unsure. Therefore so am I.

California's under-21 gun sales ban is unconstitutional, court says

A panel of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday the law violates the right to bear arms.

www.npr.org

Explain that to the states that did exactly that.

Texas is one of 44 states where 18-year-olds can legally buy a rifle

Gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, purchased two AR-15-style rifles just days after his birthday last week, using one of them to perpetrate Tuesday's massacre at Robb Elementary School.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Maybe the Constitution isn’t as clear as you’d like it to be. Maybe you’re not actually looking for a solution - just a reason to justify doing nothing about this issue.

 

[TemplarKormac]

XponentialChaos

Also, it isn't 'doing nothing when people don't agree with your suggestions.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Because there are legal repercussions. All of the things I suggested do not violate the constitutional rights of anyone while addressing the core issues around gun sales.

What do you expect us to do? Eviscerate the bill of rights to solve this issue?

What you suggested also doesn’t fix the issue either. Because you don’t want to fix it.

You want to shrug and say oh well, we tried. Back to doing nothing.

 

[XponentialChaos]

XponentialChaos

Also, it isn't 'doing nothing when people don't agree with your suggestions.

You asked. I answered.

That was the premise of your thread.

 

[Coyote]

To what precisely?

How about instead of raising the age you make gun safety courses and psychological background checks mandatory for anyone 18 or older buying a long gun?

People who want to dictate the lawwith emotion, people like you, are dangerous. Use your head.

Gun ownership should be regulated Like driving: mandatory gun safety courses and tests to prove you can hit what you aim at. Include gun safety and responsibility classes in high school. Recertify every few years. It will never fly of course because the gun lobby would absolutely oppose it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You asked. I answered.

That was the premise of your thread.

And you protested when I disagreed.

"Doing nothing"

Did I not say I was open to red flag laws?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Gun ownership should be regulated Like driving: mandatory gun safety courses and tests to prove you can hit what you aim at. Include gun safety and responsibility classes in high school. Recertify every few years. It will never fly of course because the gun lobby would absolutely oppose it.

With the exception of "the gun lobby" the rest of your post makes a valid point.

 

[Coyote]

With the exception of "the gun lobby" the rest of your post makes a valid point.

It has been suggested before vigorously opposed as an imposition on rights. It wasn’t those advocating more regulation who opposed it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Furthermore, what makes you think a person will escape their mental instabilities at age 21?

There have been crazies twice that age committing mass shootings. Age limit becomes meaningless at that point.

Unless you wish to raise the age to 45 or something.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Event: Columbine High School Massacre.
Shooters: Eric Harris and Dylan Kleboid.
Age: Both 17
Casualties: 15 deaths, 24 injured.
Weapons: Carbine and shotgun both acquired legally by 18-year-old friend.

Event: Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting.
Shooter: Nikolas Cruz.
Age: 19
Casualties: 17 deaths, 17 injured.
Weapon: AR-15 purchased legally. (The minimum age has since been changed to 21)

Event: Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting.
Shooter: Santino William Legan
Age: 19
Casualties: 4 deaths, 17 injured.
Weapon: Seni-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: El Paso Walmart Shooting.
Shooter: Patrick Wood Crusius
Age: 21
Casualties: 23 deaths, 23 injured.
Weapon: AK-47-style semi-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: 2022 Buffalo Shooting.
Shooter: Payton Gendron.
Age: 18
Casualties: 10 deaths, 3 injured.
Weapon: Semi-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: Robb Elementary School Shooting.
Shooter: Salvador Ramos
Age: 18
Casualties: 22 deaths, 15 injured.
Weapon: AR-15 style rifle purchased legally.

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Me: Here’s a thought, let’s raise the minimum age to buy a long gun like Florida did.

Conservatives: Nah, let’s do nothing.

T’s and P’s. See you all at the next mass shooting.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It has been suggested before vigorously opposed as an imposition on rights. It wasn’t those advocating more regulation who opposed it.

Because some of the actions being proposed were arbitrary.

 

[XponentialChaos]

And you protested when I disagreed.

"Doing nothing"

Did I not say I was open to red flag laws?

You guys ask for solutions just so you can shit on them and insist on nothing being done.

See you at the next mass shooting.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Event: Columbine High School Massacre.
Shooters: Eric Harris and Dylan Kleboid.
Age: Both 17
Casualties: 15 deaths, 24 injured.
Weapons: Carbine and shotgun both acquired legally by 18-year-old friend.

Event: Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting.
Shooter: Nikolas Cruz.
Age: 19
Casualties: 17 deaths, 17 injured.
Weapon: AR-15 purchased legally. (The minimum age has since been changed to 21)

Event: Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting.
Shooter: Santino William Legan
Age: 19
Casualties: 4 deaths, 17 injured.
Weapon: Seni-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: El Paso Walmart Shooting.
Shooter: Patrick Wood Crusius
Age: 21
Casualties: 23 deaths, 23 injured.
Weapon: AK-47-style semi-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: 2022 Buffalo Shooting.
Shooter: Payton Gendron.
Age: 18
Casualties: 10 deaths, 3 injured.
Weapon: Semi-automatic rifle purchased legally.

Event: Robb Elementary School Shooting.
Shooter: Salvador Ramos
Age: 18
Casualties: 22 deaths, 15 injured.
Weapon: AR-15 style rifle purchased legally.

======================================

Me: Here’s a thought, let’s raise the minimum age to buy a long gun like Florida did.

Conservatives: Nah, let’s do nothing.

T’s and P’s. See you all at the next mass shooting.

Look at you throwing a tantrum. I put forward plenty of suggestions and solutions without having to do that. No training, no psych eval, no firearm.

 

[B. Kidd]

Having the age to legally buy rifles, be the same as for handguns, might have put it off for 3 years. Some 4th graders might have gotten to be 7th. 7th grade was cool. Now they will miss it.

Only because both their parents and them have been distracted by technology.....ie. smartphones!!

Less real human interaction = sub-human actions.
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[Coyote]

Because some of the actions being proposed were arbitrary.

I’m talking about my specific suggestion. How is it arbitrary?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You guys ask for solutions just so you can shit on them and insist on nothing being done.

See you at the next mass shooting.

Keep whining. That's all you do when someone disagrees with your solutions.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I’m talking about my specific suggestion. How is it arbitrary?

It isn't. Others have been.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Look at you throwing a tantrum. I put forward plenty of suggestions and solutions without having to do that. No training, no psych eval, no firearm.

And I said I agree with them. I just don’t think they’re enough.

Let me know when you guys pass those and they make a difference.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Keep whining. That's all you do when someone disagrees with your solutions.

You asked. I answered.

Something can be done to help fix the issue. You just don’t want to do it.

 

[Coyote]

Look at you throwing a tantrum. I put forward plenty of suggestions and solutions without having to do that. No training, no psych eval, no firearm.

Psyche evaluations are too in exact. Honestly, an age and training requirement would be good.