1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped, 90 Percent Reported Sexual Harassment

[bodecea]

Thoughts?

My first thought is the other 2/3 must be really really fugly.

Well, as I heard again and again back then, the only women in the miliary are whores and dykes. By calling women whores, pretty much makes them available.


But thank you for giving me a flashback to some of that attitudes of that time period.

 

[geauxtohell]

1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped | NEWS JUNKIE POST

According to NPR, “In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.”

The BBC recently reported on The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq by Helen Benedict. This book examines the extreme difficulties female soldiers have in serving abroad. Benedict interviewed several women in the military to get a deeper understanding of the issue, and some of their stories were real eye openers.

Army specialist Chantelle Henneberry spoke of some of her experiences in Iraq, “Everybody’s supposed to have a battle buddy in the army, and females are supposed to have one to go to the latrines with, or to the showers – that’s so you don’t get raped by one of the men on your own side. But because I was the only female there, I didn’t have a battle buddy. My battle buddy was my gun and my knife.”

Another study concluded that 90% of all women serving are sexually harassed. Another one estimates that 90% of all the rapes do not get reported, despite supposedly easier ways to report the crime with confidentiality since 2005. Either way, this appears to be an epidemic that needs to be dealt with.

Thoughts?

If the survey is accurate, I am appalled. I would have never ventured to guess that it was that high. I would have thought 10% was high.

I don't have any personal commentary, as I was an Infantryman and there are no women allowed in the branch.

 

[bodecea]

I've always said women don't belong in the military for a TON of reasons. A lot of men argue with that but I don't care, police, firemen, troops...If I call the police because my house is being broken into by a huge thug and a woman shows up, I'm gonna be ticked off. I can shoot straight too, what I need is that aggressive male mind to take control of the situation with the shoulders to back it up. Same thing on the battleground. And I don't think the scent of Chanel #5 in a life or death situation is going to help matters.

This is not to say that any woman in the military is at fault. Far from it. But it's still a BAD PLAN. I've never been in the military but (forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like the military is geared toward football locker-room mentality...women probably wouldn't fare well there either

I love this attitude. Don't go after the rapists and harassers...blame the women for....for....existing. Maybe you would like to suggest we wear veils next so the men won't be tempted?

 

[Queen]

I've always said women don't belong in the military for a TON of reasons. A lot of men argue with that but I don't care, police, firemen, troops...If I call the police because my house is being broken into by a huge thug and a woman shows up, I'm gonna be ticked off. I can shoot straight too, what I need is that aggressive male mind to take control of the situation with the shoulders to back it up. Same thing on the battleground. And I don't think the scent of Chanel #5 in a life or death situation is going to help matters.

This is not to say that any woman in the military is at fault. Far from it. But it's still a BAD PLAN. I've never been in the military but (forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like the military is geared toward football locker-room mentality...women probably wouldn't fare well there either

Wow sexism.....are you really a woman?

Why such self hatred?

My sister is in the military and is perfectly capable to do whatever needs to be done. She has high self esteem and confidence.

I'm sorry you have such low self esteem and confidence, that's sad.

 

[geauxtohell]

I've always said women don't belong in the military for a TON of reasons. A lot of men argue with that but I don't care, police, firemen, troops...If I call the police because my house is being broken into by a huge thug and a woman shows up, I'm gonna be ticked off. I can shoot straight too, what I need is that aggressive male mind to take control of the situation with the shoulders to back it up. Same thing on the battleground. And I don't think the scent of Chanel #5 in a life or death situation is going to help matters.

This is not to say that any woman in the military is at fault. Far from it. But it's still a BAD PLAN. I've never been in the military but (forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like the military is geared toward football locker-room mentality...women probably wouldn't fare well there either

Oh bullshit. What have the women done wrong, here? We need to remove women from serving their country, because they are victimized?

How about trying this on for size: punish the guilty.

You know, like we do in regular society.

 

[Modbert]

If the survey is accurate, I am appalled. I would have never ventured to guess that it was that high. I would have thought 10% was high.

I don't have any personal commentary, as I was an Infantryman and there are no women allowed in the branch.

I was appalled by the numbers when I read them. I sat there for a good half a minute before posting it going "what the ****."

 

[bodecea]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

Is that something you talk about in casual conversation? Or are you suggesting it doesn't happen?

I remember standing with another GI and he suddenly yelled out, pointing to a female GI that was coming out of the building across the street, "Hey, look at the tits on that *****". I turned around and it was a girl I had gone bowling with and who went to the movies with me. She never talked to me again. I told the guy what an ass he was and he said, "Oh come on, she LIKED it". I asked him if he would like it if someone yelled that out to his sister or mother and he absolutely didn't see a connection.
So he thought he had given a girl a complement AND had no idea that was sexual harassment. I bet he's now a Republican. He talked with that accent.

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

 

[Luissa]

I've always said women don't belong in the military for a TON of reasons. A lot of men argue with that but I don't care, police, firemen, troops...If I call the police because my house is being broken into by a huge thug and a woman shows up, I'm gonna be ticked off. I can shoot straight too, what I need is that aggressive male mind to take control of the situation with the shoulders to back it up. Same thing on the battleground. And I don't think the scent of Chanel #5 in a life or death situation is going to help matters.

This is not to say that any woman in the military is at fault. Far from it. But it's still a BAD PLAN. I've never been in the military but (forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like the military is geared toward football locker-room mentality...women probably wouldn't fare well there either

YOu obviously never met any strong women, and I know many women who could kick many men's ass. And as a women who played sports most of her life, I can tell you I am more aggressive and competitive than some men. Go watch a WNBA game or even women's college basketball. I played co ed bball for a few years and was never cloths lined by a guy, when I played high school that was the secret weapon for some girls. You really need to get your head out of the sand and realize women are not all susie homemaker anymore.

 

[Queen]

I was a Leader. A Section head, a Maintenance Chief, A Company Gunny and ran Enlisted and Officer single Housing for a year. And NEVER once did any female ever come to me and tell me they were sexually assaulted. I was an Instructor on an Army Base for 4 years where for a while I was in charge of the Troop Barracks that is the only time anyone ever came to me with a sexual Harassment complaint. I got her in touch with the right people though I doubt it went far since she had all kind of discipline problems and was accusing the guy that had my job before me. The one that had to write all her idiotic problems up. That was also where I knew the other Army female that claimed harassment ohh and also racism. Of course her problem was complicated by the fact she was claiming the Instructor was racist against orientals and his wife was oriental.

I knew who she was because we got instructed to NEVER be in a room alone with her. She tried to corner me once. I got up and went into the hallway to have our discussion.

So based on your own experiences, therefore all the women are either liars, attention whores, or these numbers doesn't really exist?

Someone is making numbers up from my experience yes.

So prove it, give us the real numbers, the ones you agree with.

By the way - the proper term is Asian. Not Oriental.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is that something you talk about in casual conversation? Or are you suggesting it doesn't happen?

I remember standing with another GI and he suddenly yelled out, pointing to a female GI that was coming out of the building across the street, "Hey, look at the tits on that *****". I turned around and it was a girl I had gone bowling with and who went to the movies with me. She never talked to me again. I told the guy what an ass he was and he said, "Oh come on, she LIKED it". I asked him if he would like it if someone yelled that out to his sister or mother and he absolutely didn't see a connection.
So he thought he had given a girl a complement AND had no idea that was sexual harassment. I bet he's now a Republican. He talked with that accent.

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

You have absolutely no grounds for that claim, Go ahead prove your point.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So based on your own experiences, therefore all the women are either liars, attention whores, or these numbers doesn't really exist?

Someone is making numbers up from my experience yes.

So prove it, give us the real numbers, the ones you agree with.

By the way - the proper term is Asian. Not Oriental.

I don't have any numbers I am just saying I never witnessed it in my 16 years and except for a couple months of training I spent the entire time in commands with women.

 

[Luissa]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

Is that something you talk about in casual conversation? Or are you suggesting it doesn't happen?

I remember standing with another GI and he suddenly yelled out, pointing to a female GI that was coming out of the building across the street, "Hey, look at the tits on that *****". I turned around and it was a girl I had gone bowling with and who went to the movies with me. She never talked to me again. I told the guy what an ass he was and he said, "Oh come on, she LIKED it". I asked him if he would like it if someone yelled that out to his sister or mother and he absolutely didn't see a connection.
So he thought he had given a girl a complement AND had no idea that was sexual harassment. I bet he's now a Republican. He talked with that accent.

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

So therefore it never happened? You obviously don't know how the world works either.

 

[geauxtohell]

Is that something you talk about in casual conversation? Or are you suggesting it doesn't happen?

I remember standing with another GI and he suddenly yelled out, pointing to a female GI that was coming out of the building across the street, "Hey, look at the tits on that *****". I turned around and it was a girl I had gone bowling with and who went to the movies with me. She never talked to me again. I told the guy what an ass he was and he said, "Oh come on, she LIKED it". I asked him if he would like it if someone yelled that out to his sister or mother and he absolutely didn't see a connection.
So he thought he had given a girl a complement AND had no idea that was sexual harassment. I bet he's now a Republican. He talked with that accent.

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

If this poll is accurate, the DOD needs to address it and there needs to be venues set up for woman to safely report these matters and subsequently be shielded from retribution for reporting the act.

 

[bodecea]

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

You have absolutely no grounds for that claim, Go ahead prove your point.

You prove my point about women wanting to come talk to you...just about every time you post, Clerk.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

If this poll is accurate, the DOD needs to address it and there needs to be venues set up for woman to safely report these matters and subsequently be shielded from retribution for reporting the act.

There already IS.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

You have absolutely no grounds for that claim, Go ahead prove your point.

You prove my point about women wanting to come talk to you...just about every time you post, Clerk.

**** off, you have nothing. You are a waste of time and space.

 

[Queen]

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

You have absolutely no grounds for that claim, Go ahead prove your point.

The grounds are your comments on this thread. The proof is in your posts.

 

[Navy1960]

Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station San Diego (NCTS SD) COMMANDING OFFICER’S POLICY STATEMENT ON PREVENTION OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT

1. I am personally committed to providing a work environment free of sexual harassment. Our goal is to ensure mission success in an environment that encourages and enables all Sailors and civilians to reach their personal and professional potential. Sexual harassment is defined as a form of sexual disscrimination that involves unwelcome sexual advances, request for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature. As such, any form of sexual harassment is an unacceptable conduct in the workplace and will not be condoned or tolerated.

2. The prevention of sexual harassment exemplifies the Navy's goal to uphold the highest standards of leadership and personal conduct. When an allegation of sexual harassment occurs, supervisors will take quick action to thoroughly and objectively investigate the complaint, leading to full accountability, if appropriate. Further, all managers and supervisors will take all required actions to ensure a recipient of sexual harassment is not subsequently also the victim of any form of reprisal or retaliation. Any person in a supervisory or command position who uses or condones the above behavior is engaging in sexual harassment. Any military member or civilian employee who makes deliberate or repeated unwelcome verbal comments, gestures, or physical contact is also engaging in sexual harassment.

3. It is the duty of All Hands to bring forth any behavior which constitutes sexual harassment. Some examples of redress available to victims of sexual harassment include: addressing the issue informally up the chain of command using the Informal Resolution System (IRS); requesting Commanding Officer's Non-judicial Punishment (NJP); or using the Navy's formal Sexual Harassment/Equal Opportunity Grievance Complain Form (NAVPERS Form 5354/2). Incidents of sexual assault can be addressed with the Command Victims Advocate or a health care provider.

4. This command holds itself to a standard that is above reproach. Concerns or questions regarding this policy may be addressed to any member of your chain of command, including our Command Managed Equal Opportunity (CMEO) Officer.

J. A. WATKINS

Commander, U.S. Navy

Commanding Officer

Reports of sexual assaults involving military victims or perpetrators are on the rise — more than 8 percent over the previous fiscal year — and increased more than three times as much in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Pentagon’s new report to Congress also says the number of cases that were sent to court-martial rose 8 percent last fiscal year — although one congressional critic calculates a far lower figure.

But overall, the Pentagon says that more sexual assault reports are just what it wants to see.

That’s because sexual assault is underreported generally due to the fear and stigma associated with the crimes, said Kaye Whitley, director of the Pentagon’s Sexual Assault and Prevention Office, or SAPRO. In releasing the department’s fiscal year 2008 report on sexual assault in the ranks, she told Pentagon reporters Tuesday that the increase in reports “means the department’s policy of encouraging victims to come forward is making a difference
DoD: Sexual assault reports increased in 2008 - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

While the statistics are hard to measure on this issue, and Gunny is correct that any member of the US Military engaged in this sort of conduct would be harshly dealt with had it been known. The key is to provide the mechanisms in which those that victims of this can come forward, if they do not, then no policy or procedure can measure the true nature of the issue. It occurs to me that in every walk of life including the military your going to have some low life shitbird that does this sort of thing and in order to send these individuals packing, it takes an environment to do so.

 

[bodecea]

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

Having picked up on your attitudes, moods, etc on these boards, I simply cannot understand why women wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you with harassment/rape issues.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

If this poll is accurate, the DOD needs to address it and there needs to be venues set up for woman to safely report these matters and subsequently be shielded from retribution for reporting the act.

I was around in '91 when Tailhook happened in Vegas (look it up if you don't know what happened)...these were officers, aviation officers. They harassed and came close to raping one of their own, another aviation officer. When she reported it to her commanding officer (she was an admiral's aid), she was told that boys will be boys and she really didn't want to ruin careers now, did she? She pushed the issue and her career was ruined. Plus a giant cover up occurred where everyone denied even being there at Tailhook. This is in 1991.

 

[Modbert]

Again RGS, you're assuming that if a woman was harassed and raped that she would automatically come to you, why?

Especially when the statistics show that the majority of these things go unreported.