The War Is Going Better Than You Think - New York Times

[Independent thinker]

Too many American casualties for you?
Can't afford $3.80 gas for a few weeks?
Just hate to see a good mullah's life be wasted?

Nonsense to fight Iran who has been attacking other countries, threatening the global oil supply and threatening the USA killing thousands of us for 50 years, but you are just aces with a former branch of the USSR fighting with the current USSR over resources and access to the sea?

The only reason you want this war to end is because if it goes over as a glorious victory for Trump and America, the democrats can kiss their midterms goodbye.

They had $3.80 gas and higher for most of Biden's term. How soon they forget.

 

[Independent thinker]

Keep waiting for gas to go down

Gas prices are only "transitory".

 

[Independent thinker]

Where is she getting her facts from, the Easter Bunny?

 

[toobfreak]

What the hell is wrong with you?

Medical science has wondered that for years.

The Islamic regime has been COMPLETELY DESTROYED.

All that is left are pockets of lone soldiers with shoulder rockets and a few pick up launchable rockets parked in a garage.
There is no Iranian regime left but a few people hiding in bunkers afraid to come out making noise on Twitter while posting fake AI images on the web.

Strategically, Iran is done, if Trump wanted to, he could march in there and mop the place up, but he is doing an end-around establishing the new regime to step in soon to take power from the towelheads.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Medical science has wondered that for years.


All that is left are pockets of lone soldiers with shoulder rockets and a few pick up launchable rockets parked in a garage.
There is no Iranian regime left but a few people hiding in bunkers afraid to come out making noise on Twitter while posting fake AI images on the web.

Strategically, Iran is done, if Trump wanted to, he could march in there and mop the place up, but he is doing an end-around establishing the new regime to step in soon to take power from the towelheads.

I'm wondering if we can recover at least one F-14 from there. That would be cool, but they're probably all destroyed.

 

[Independent thinker]

Medical science has wondered that for years.


All that is left are pockets of lone soldiers with shoulder rockets and a few pick up launchable rockets parked in a garage.
There is no Iranian regime left but a few people hiding in bunkers afraid to come out making noise on Twitter while posting fake AI images on the web.

Strategically, Iran is done, if Trump wanted to, he could march in there and mop the place up, but he is doing an end-around establishing the new regime to step in soon to take power from the towelheads.

Most of those who are left are hiding around power plants, thinking that those won't be bombed. It wouldn't surprise me if ground troops went into those power plant areas one by one.

 

[rightwinger]

We should not be avoiding war just because a strait might be closed.

Yes
Good answer

 

[Independent thinker]

Yes
Good answer

You should tell that to rightwinger, errrrrrrrrrrrrrr I mean leftwinger.

 

[Dante]

Now this is interesting. From the New York Times - not Fox News. This article compares the current war in Iran with past recent wars. The MSM would have your believe the war is going badly.

So let us all get this straight. You believe that because a war is doing better than previous wars (which you and/or others consider disastrous?), that makes for a war doing great?

 

[Dante]

Iran is getting decimated.

Win battles, lose a war?

 

[Independent thinker]

So let us all get this straight. You believe that because a war is doing better than previous wars (which you and/or others consider disastrous?), that makes for a war doing great?

The only thing I fear is in Trump showing weakness and making some kind of deal, allowing Iran to bebuild their military right back up to better than it was and then down the road we have a democrat or a weak Republican seeing Iran as an "imminent" threat and wanting to negotiate with them instead of bombing the shit out of them all over again. In order to avoid all of that we should eliminate their immenent threat right now and forever.

 

[Dante]

The only thing I fear is in Trump showing weakness and making some kind of deal...

Get real. Trump destroys most everything he touches.

 

[Independent thinker]

Get real. Trump destroys most everything he touches.

LOL. Yes, he has destroyed a lot of the left and that's why I voted for him and want him to continue destroying the left.

 

[Churchill]

Now this is interesting. From the New York Times - not Fox News. This article compares the current war in Iran with past recent wars. The MSM would have your believe the war is going badly. Interesting facts prove otherwise. From the article:

Most Americans probably don’t look back at March 2012 — if they remember it at all — and think of terrifyingly high gas prices. In the month when “The Hunger Games” ruled the box office and President Barack Obama was on his way to a comfortable re-election, the price of Brent crude closed the month around $123 a barrel. That would be about $175 a barrel in today’s dollars.
As of Tuesday, despite Iran’s effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz and its attacks on its neighbors’ energy facilities, it’s hovering around $100, slightly higher than the average inflation-adjusted price since January 2001, roughly $95.

That ought to provide some perspective on the panic over the war in the Middle East. To hear the critics’ version of events, an unprovoked and unnecessary attack on Iran, launched at Israel’s behest, is already a foreign-policy fiasco that has put the global economy at risk without any clear objective or endgame. As Senator Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, told NBC’s Kristen Welker over the weekend, “We’ve never seen this level of incompetence in war-making in this country’s history.”
Really? Let’s take a tour of some of the recent history.

• During the 1991 Operation Desert Storm against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, a campaign that is widely considered a brilliant military success, the U.S.-led coalition lost 75 aircraft, 42 of them in combat. In this conflict, four manned aircraft have been destroyed, three to friendly fire and one in an accident. Not a single manned plane has yet been lost over Iran.
• The U.S. air and land campaign in that operation lasted a full six weeks. Today it’s remembered as a lightning-fast war. The current conflict with Iran is less than four weeks old.
• In the 1989-90 invasion of Panama, whose military phase lasted a few days, the United States lost 23 soldiers, with 325 more wounded. So far in this war, U.S. losses are 13 dead. Among the more than 230 wounded, most have swiftly returned to duty.
• During the Persian Gulf crisis that began with Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in August 1990, the U.S. economy went into recession and the Dow fell by about 13 percent before the allied air war began. Since conflict with Iran began last June with Operation Midnight Hammer, the Dow is up by 9 percent as of Tuesday morning.
• At the outset of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the United States made a failed decapitation strike against Saddam Hussein and his senior leadership, some of whom became leaders of the insurgency. In this war, much of Iran’s top leadership was killed on the first day and there is still no proof of life from the new supreme leader. Yousef Pezeshkian, the son of the current president, has written that if Iran can’t prevent the continued assassination of its leaders, “we will lose the war.”
• Between 1987 and 1988, in the final stages of the so-called tanker war, the Reagan administration reflagged Kuwaiti tankers and had the U.S. Navy escort them out of the Strait of Hormuz. An Iranian mine nearly sank an American frigate. The conflict wound down after the United States sank a handful of Iranian navy ships. This time around, we have destroyed almost all of Iran’s navy with no naval losses of our own.
• In 1991, Iraq fired roughly 40 missiles toward Israel. Hardly any were intercepted despite the deployment of Patriot batteries there. In this war, Israel is registering an interception rate of 92 percent against more than 400 missiles. Iran’s overall rate of fire has dropped from 438 ballistic missiles on the first day of the war to 21 on Monday. Drone fire has also declined from 345 to 75 for the same dates.
• In the months leading up to the second Iraq war, the George W. Bush administration made a case based on erroneous information that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. In the current war, there is no question that some 970 pounds of highly enriched uranium lies stashed and buried in Iran — possibly enough, with further enrichment and conversion into uranium metal, for 11 nuclear bombs. If the outrage of the Iraq war is that Hussein didn’t have W.M.D. capabilities, is it now supposed to be somehow more outrageous that Iran does?
• One of the worst mistakes of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was the attempt by U.S. administrators to remake societies in both countries — well-intended efforts with some noble results that nonetheless were beyond our grasp. In this war, despite some varying rhetoric from President Trump, the goal has been reasonably clear and consistent: Iran cannot have nuclear weapons or other means to menace its neighbors. As for regime change, we hope the Iranian people use the opportunity of their leadership’s weakness to seize their own destiny. But we won’t do it for them.
• The Bush administration had little support from Arab nations during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Now The Times reports, “Saudi Arabia’s de facto leader, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, has been pushing President Trump to continue the war against Iran, arguing that the U.S.-Israeli military campaign presents a ‘historic opportunity’ to remake the Middle East.” Hopefully, one way in which it can be remade is through a peace treaty between Riyadh and Jerusalem.
• In hindsight, the single biggest error of the gulf war was to end it too soon, before Saddam Hussein’s forces were thoroughly routed. President Trump should not make the same mistake.

I am not blind to the Trump administration’s failures in planning, particularly its unwillingness to make a stronger public case for war and get more allies on our side before the campaign began. I am also purposely comparing the war with Iran to past wars of similar scale, rather than our true military fiascos in Vietnam, Korea and the two world wars — in which tens of thousands of Americans died due to poor tactical planning and bad strategy.

Still, if past generations could see how well this war has gone compared with the ones they were compelled to fight at a frightening cost, they would marvel at their posterity’s comparative good fortune. They would marvel, too, at our inability to appreciate the advantages we now possess.

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Remind me please, what are the objectives of the "war" this week? is it the same as when it started, keep Netanyahu happy?

 

[rightwinger]

You should tell that to rightwinger, errrrrrrrrrrrrrr I mean leftwinger.

Well, what did we get?

Strait was open before the war, now it is closed
Islamic Mullahs were in charge, they still are
Iran had enriched uranium and they still do

 

[Churchill]

Well, what did we get?

Strait was open before the war, now it is closed
Islamic Mullahs were in charge, they still are
Iran had enriched uranium and they still do

Trump also said on March 1 and March 2 that the war would last "four to five weeks" - it's now been almost eight weeks and things look pretty far from done.

It's also odd too that Yesterday trump said J.V. Dunce couldn't attend the talks on Monday because of secret service issues and now Dunce is on his way out there.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump also said on March 1 and March 2 that the war would last "four to five weeks" - it's now been almost eight weeks.

Two more weeks
Trust him

 

[Independent thinker]

Remind me please, what are the objectives of the "war" this week? is it the same as when it started, keep Netanyahu happy?

I'm not in charge of the war so I can't tell you. I just hope Trump doesn't make a deal like the one Obama made, which allows Iran to be an "imminent" threat in the future. We need to finish them off now while we've got them down. If I were president I wouldn't let up until the IRGC are no longer in control and normal Iranians are.

 

[Independent thinker]

Well, what did we get?

Strait was open before the war, now it is closed
Islamic Mullahs were in charge, they still are
Iran had enriched uranium and they still do

The war isn't over. Ask me again when it is.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm wondering if we can recover at least one F-14 from there. That would be cool, but they're probably all destroyed.

They are.