You don't need much meat.....just a little...

[jc456]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

Then why do we have canine teeth?

You don't eat any and there's that much for me. Get your friends join you and my friends and I can have a steak cookout!

Hippos have the largest canines in the animal world and are herbivores

Most animals have either binocular or monocular vision. Most animals with binocular vision their eyes vision cross each other. So the left eye views a lot of what the right eye does and vice versa. They are meat eaters. Humans, cats, dogs are examples and so many more. Most animals with monocular vision have eyes that are slightly more to the side of the head. Horses and hippos and giraffes and many others. They are herbivores. Their vision encompasses total views of each side with no cross view or limited cross view. They are actually a bit more nervous or can be because of it.

Is there any research that states that vision is what makes a carnivore?

Gorillas have binocular vision and aside from the odd termite are herbivores.

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

 

[jc456]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

Sure I am. You want to eat vegan do so. Just don’t advertise that it’s better for one’s health. It isn’t. I posted that as well. I’m not rehashing yesterday’s posts

 

[jc456]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

Well you haven’t done that.

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

Yep, a vegan diet is not easy for most people. There is a huge difference between a vegan diet and vegetarian diet. A vegan diet eliminates all animal by products. That means no eggs, no milk, no butter, no cream, no yogurt, no cheese, nothing cooked in animal fat, and of course no beef, no pork, no chicken, no turkey, no seafood, etc.

I have two vegetarians in my family. Occasional they cheat but for most part they don't eat meat. They are very healthy and have little trouble finding food they like when dinning at home or eating out. One is a great cook and she cooks the most delicious vegetarian meals.

I also have a vegan in the family, a beautiful 22 year old girl. She been a vegan for about 8 years. She is about 25 pounds under weight, yet she's obsessively concerned about getting fat. The doctor said she really sees herself as being fat. She's Anorexia and Bulimic. She goes for days eating nothing but a few salads, some tofu, and breads. Then she binge eats pastas and Mediterranean food and vomits it up. When she goes out she eats little or nothing and if she does she probably vomit it. She been to two clinics that treat eating disorders. One doctor said unless she gets control of her eating, she may not make it past 30.

If you have a teenager in your family that is obsessive about dieting to loose weight and wants to be a vegan, do whatever you can to persuade her to delay the decision till she's a bit older and understands what she's getting into. Once you're a vegan for a few years, it is not easy to return to meat diet.

This is not to say that you can't be a vegan and be very healthy. You just have understand what you're getting into.

Anorexia has nothing to do with veganism.

Plenty of people who are not vegetarian or vegan have anorexia and bulimia

 

[Likkmee]

They say a person is what he eats. i don't want to be a vegetable....YET

 

[Blues Man]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

Sure I am. You want to eat vegan do so. Just don’t advertise that it’s better for one’s health. It isn’t. I posted that as well. I’m not rehashing yesterday’s posts

This threads is about the need for eating meat.

If you don't like it then don't post.

And there is plenty of evidence that the Western Diet is bad for your health. That's another fact.

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

Well you haven’t done that.

I have and have pposted many links

 

[Blues Man]

soy, nuts & beans are good sources of protein.

Not as "good" as a New York Strip, Rack of Lamb, and the list goes on!

Actually they are.

 

[jc456]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

Sure I am. You want to eat vegan do so. Just don’t advertise that it’s better for one’s health. It isn’t. I posted that as well. I’m not rehashing yesterday’s posts

This threads is about the need for eating meat.

If you don't like it then don't post.

And there is plenty of evidence that the Western Diet is bad for your health. That's another fact.

It’s our way of life. We want it, for proteins.

There’s no evidence of anything you claim. No studies were done. Post one, vegan vs meat eater

 

[Blues Man]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

Sure I am. You want to eat vegan do so. Just don’t advertise that it’s better for one’s health. It isn’t. I posted that as well. I’m not rehashing yesterday’s posts

This threads is about the need for eating meat.

If you don't like it then don't post.

And there is plenty of evidence that the Western Diet is bad for your health. That's another fact.

It’s our way of life. We want it, for proteins.

There’s no evidence of anything you claim. No studies were done. Post one, vegan vs meat eater

All I ever claimed was meat is not necessary for a healthy diet.

And once again this thread is about the NEED to eat meat.

And there is none.

ANd I have posted multiple links in response to many of the misconceptions about a vegan diet.

The B12 argument
The protein argument
the calcium, zinc and omega 3 arguments.

Never have I said to anyone they should not eat meat I have merely said it is not a necessity.

You are the one who is getting defensive.

 

[irosie91]

"shortage" in the USA ---does not mean FAMINE. ---especially when it comes to particular LUXURY food
items. Remember the BACON <gasp> shortage?
did anyone die of bacon-deficiency? That eggs have
become SO EXPENSIVE is an issue------but also not a
FAMINE. -----uhm----there was a time that sugar became very expensive------DO NOT PANIC

 

[jc456]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

Well you haven’t done that.

I have and have pposted many links

None were studying the two scenarios.

 

[jc456]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

Sure I am. You want to eat vegan do so. Just don’t advertise that it’s better for one’s health. It isn’t. I posted that as well. I’m not rehashing yesterday’s posts

This threads is about the need for eating meat.

If you don't like it then don't post.

And there is plenty of evidence that the Western Diet is bad for your health. That's another fact.

It’s our way of life. We want it, for proteins.

There’s no evidence of anything you claim. No studies were done. Post one, vegan vs meat eater

All I ever claimed was meat is not necessary for a healthy diet.

And once again this thread is about the NEED to eat meat.

And there is none.

ANd I have posted multiple links in response to many of the misconceptions about a vegan diet.

The B12 argument
The protein argument
the calcium, zinc and omega 3 arguments.

Never have I said to anyone they should not eat meat I have merely said it is not a necessity.

You are the one who is getting defensive.

All I ever claimed was meat is not necessary healthy diet

And you didn’t prove it wasn’t. No study on meat eater vs. vegan. I posted a link showing deficiencies in vegan diets. Just information you seem to avoid.

 

[esalla]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.

Fk blue you disappoint me

And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?

LOL you think you are smarter, healthier and will live longer because you do not eat meat.

You haven't once posted how fast you run or bike a mile how much you bench press or dead lift. See it's not enough to say you are better you need to prove it little one

 

[B. Kidd]

soy, nuts & beans are good sources of protein.

I eat alot of beans......

 

[jc456]

soy, nuts & beans are good sources of protein.

So is a ribeye and t-bone

but they don't clog yer arteries. enjoy...

No evidence of that. Calcium clogs your arteries

How bad is red meat for your heart?
In general, red meats (beef, pork and lamb) have more saturated (bad) fat than chicken, fish and vegetable proteins such as beans. Saturated and trans fats can raise your blood cholesterol and make heart disease worse. The unsaturated fats in fish, such as salmon, actually have health benefits.
Meat, Poultry, and Fish: Picking Healthy Proteins | American Heart ...
www.heart.org › eat-smart › nutrition-basics › meat-poult.

Good Fats vs. Bad Fats

Some fats are better for you than others and may even promote good heart health. Know the difference to determine which fats to avoid, and which to eat in moderation.

www.healthline.com

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

Well you haven’t done that.

I have and have pposted many links

None were studying the two scenarios.

Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.

 

[jc456]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.

Well since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.

And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?

Irrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on you

Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have

Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other two

If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.

Well you haven’t done that.

I have and have pposted many links

None were studying the two scenarios.

Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.

With no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?