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I don't believe in godIf God didn't intend for us to eat meat, then why did he make it taste so good?
I'm not too sure about that myself, but meat tastes good for some reason.
Not to me it doesn't. I can't stand the taste of smell of it. That's why I don't eat it.
Just the smell of it literally makes me vomit.
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm completely supportive of you eating what you want, but I hate to see anyone's discomfort.
I agree. I fully support whatever people want to eat. I'm not eating it so why should I care?
However, cook the beef away from me. I will vomit and it won't stop until I'm dry heaving. The smell of it makes me very sick.
I highly recommend giving that a try though. Eat chicken or turkey or any other meat than beef for a few weeks. Then eat a hamburger or any beef. Your whole system will be stopped for at least a week.
You will notice you've lost weight though. That's some advice I give to those who want to lose weight. Stop eating beef. You'll lost about 10 lbs.
I think I'll give that a shot. I don't know how long I'll stay with it, but I'll make at least a few days.
Why do I have to compete in anything?The last I deadlifted I did 10 reps at 315lbs. That said not all lift weights but you also forgot to post your time in the mile and what competitive events you participate in other that the porch rocking chair contest while munching celeryLOL you think you are smarter, healthier and will live longer because you do not eat meat.So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.
But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?
I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible
Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.
No but grain is.
And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.
The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.
It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.
Fk blue you disappoint me
And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?
You haven't once posted how fast you run or bike a mile how much you bench press or dead lift. See it's not enough to say you are better you need to prove it little one
No Just smarter than you.
You believe things which are plain old wrong.
You are wrong about B12, iron, zinc, the 9 essential amino acids among others
And I work out every day, I don't bother with heavy weights or 1 rep maximums and concentrate on functional strength. Use the TRX suspension trainer, and a variety of dumbbells and kettle bells.
But I did post a link to vegans who are do lift weights
here it is again
The 5 Strongest Vegans On Earth | BarBend
These record-breaking vegan strength athletes aren't showing any signs of protein deficiencies.barbend.com
80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. IIt says no such thing. Even the title says can and not will. And reignite debates, not facts.The article refeneced a studyWith no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?None were studying the two scenarios.Well you haven’t done that.Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other twoIrrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on youWell since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.
And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?
Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have
If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.
I have and have pposted many links
Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.
Why a vegan diet can make you live longer
Every three per cent increase in calories from plant protein was found to reduce risk of death by 10 per centwww.independent.co.uk
The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.
You might want to actually read the article I linked to
Yes it does where do you think I pulled the quote from. Try reading more than just the title
It's the second paragraph of the article
But here's the link to The JAMA release
For the Media - Embargoed Access to the JAMA Network
Access embargoed news releases, journal articles, and JAMA Report Video releases from The JAMA Network.media.jamanetwork.com
No I suppose you';ll say that's not a study either
considering all of the chemicals that get injected into beef, pork and chicken....there has to be some downside to heavy consumption of those items I would think.
JO
Why do I have to compete in anything?The last I deadlifted I did 10 reps at 315lbs. That said not all lift weights but you also forgot to post your time in the mile and what competitive events you participate in other that the porch rocking chair contest while munching celeryLOL you think you are smarter, healthier and will live longer because you do not eat meat.So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.
But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?
I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible
Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.
No but grain is.
And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.
The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.
It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.
Fk blue you disappoint me
And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?
You haven't once posted how fast you run or bike a mile how much you bench press or dead lift. See it's not enough to say you are better you need to prove it little one
No Just smarter than you.
You believe things which are plain old wrong.
You are wrong about B12, iron, zinc, the 9 essential amino acids among others
And I work out every day, I don't bother with heavy weights or 1 rep maximums and concentrate on functional strength. Use the TRX suspension trainer, and a variety of dumbbells and kettle bells.
But I did post a link to vegans who are do lift weights
here it is again
The 5 Strongest Vegans On Earth | BarBend
These record-breaking vegan strength athletes aren't showing any signs of protein deficiencies.
I'm not one for road races but there is a trail loop I run near me it's about 3 miles and I can do it in about 25 minutes. Most of the time I do sprints or I walk long distances with a 40 lb pack
I work out because I like to I have no need to compete with anyone but myself.
People with an eating disorder are the exception not the rule.A study in 2013 looked at the relationship between vegetarianism and eating disorders among women, and found that about half of those with anorexia reported eating some form of vegetarian diet, compared to around 2 per cent of the UK population.Anorexia has nothing to do with veganism.Yep, a vegan diet is not easy for most people. There is a huge difference between a vegan diet and vegetarian diet. A vegan diet eliminates all animal by products. That means no eggs, no milk, no butter, no cream, no yogurt, no cheese, nothing cooked in animal fat, and of course no beef, no pork, no chicken, no turkey, no seafood, etc.you don't need to eat any meat at all.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.
JO
I have two vegetarians in my family. Occasional they cheat but for most part they don't eat meat. They are very healthy and have little trouble finding food they like when dinning at home or eating out. One is a great cook and she cooks the most delicious vegetarian meals.
I also have a vegan in the family, a beautiful 22 year old girl. She been a vegan for about 8 years. She is about 25 pounds under weight, yet she's obsessively concerned about getting fat. The doctor said she really sees herself as being fat. She's Anorexia and Bulimic. She goes for days eating nothing but a few salads, some tofu, and breads. Then she binge eats pastas and Mediterranean food and vomits it up. When she goes out she eats little or nothing and if she does she probably vomit it. She been to two clinics that treat eating disorders. One doctor said unless she gets control of her eating, she may not make it past 30.
If you have a teenager in your family that is obsessive about dieting to loose weight and wants to be a vegan, do whatever you can to persuade her to delay the decision till she's a bit older and understands what she's getting into. Once you're a vegan for a few years, it is not easy to return to meat diet.
This is not to say that you can't be a vegan and be very healthy. You just have understand what you're getting into.
Plenty of people who are not vegetarian or vegan have anorexia and bulimia
In a perfect world, the rise in veganism comes solely from a place of compassion for animals and a personal responsibility towards sustainability and reducing carbon emissions. But in reality, veganism is also being used as a cover for disordered eating. As one of my niece's doctor's said, anorexic teenage girls are almost always vegans or vegetarians. In short, being a vegan or vegetarian does not mean you have an eating disorder. However, an anorexic teenage girl is most likely vegan or a vegetarian.
How veganism can be a cover for disordered eating
The rising trend of veganism has uncovered some home truths – Jessica Brown investigates how hidden behind the perfectly Instagrammable meals lies another form of control for those suffering from eating disorders
Yeah you are pretty much the intellectual equivalent of the child in the pictureWhy do I have to compete in anything?The last I deadlifted I did 10 reps at 315lbs. That said not all lift weights but you also forgot to post your time in the mile and what competitive events you participate in other that the porch rocking chair contest while munching celeryLOL you think you are smarter, healthier and will live longer because you do not eat meat.So can the cows, and there you go again, go promote your vegan shit to vegan shits.Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.
But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?
I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible
Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.
No but grain is.
And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.
The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.
It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.
Fk blue you disappoint me
And you're promoting eating meat so what's the difference?
You haven't once posted how fast you run or bike a mile how much you bench press or dead lift. See it's not enough to say you are better you need to prove it little one
No Just smarter than you.
You believe things which are plain old wrong.
You are wrong about B12, iron, zinc, the 9 essential amino acids among others
And I work out every day, I don't bother with heavy weights or 1 rep maximums and concentrate on functional strength. Use the TRX suspension trainer, and a variety of dumbbells and kettle bells.
But I did post a link to vegans who are do lift weights
here it is again
The 5 Strongest Vegans On Earth | BarBend
These record-breaking vegan strength athletes aren't showing any signs of protein deficiencies.
I'm not one for road races but there is a trail loop I run near me it's about 3 miles and I can do it in about 25 minutes. Most of the time I do sprints or I walk long distances with a 40 lb pack
I work out because I like to I have no need to compete with anyone but myself.
That’s one reason we’re living longer80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. IIt says no such thing. Even the title says can and not will. And reignite debates, not facts.The article refeneced a studyWith no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?None were studying the two scenarios.Well you haven’t done that.Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other twoIrrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on youWell since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.
And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?
Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have
If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.
I have and have pposted many links
Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.
Why a vegan diet can make you live longer
Every three per cent increase in calories from plant protein was found to reduce risk of death by 10 per cent
The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.
You might want to actually read the article I linked to
Yes it does where do you think I pulled the quote from. Try reading more than just the title
It's the second paragraph of the article
But here's the link to The JAMA release
For the Media - Embargoed Access to the JAMA Network
Access embargoed news releases, journal articles, and JAMA Report Video releases from The JAMA Network.
No I suppose you';ll say that's not a study either
considering all of the chemicals that get injected into beef, pork and chicken....there has to be some downside to heavy consumption of those items I would think.
JO
Pesticides80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. IIt says no such thing. Even the title says can and not will. And reignite debates, not facts.The article refeneced a studyWith no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?None were studying the two scenarios.Well you haven’t done that.Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other twoIrrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on youWell since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.
And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?
Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have
If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.
I have and have pposted many links
Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.
Why a vegan diet can make you live longer
Every three per cent increase in calories from plant protein was found to reduce risk of death by 10 per cent
The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.
You might want to actually read the article I linked to
Yes it does where do you think I pulled the quote from. Try reading more than just the title
It's the second paragraph of the article
But here's the link to The JAMA release
For the Media - Embargoed Access to the JAMA Network
Access embargoed news releases, journal articles, and JAMA Report Video releases from The JAMA Network.
No I suppose you';ll say that's not a study either
considering all of the chemicals that get injected into beef, pork and chicken....there has to be some downside to heavy consumption of those items I would think.
JO
That’s one reason we’re living longer80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. IIt says no such thing. Even the title says can and not will. And reignite debates, not facts.The article refeneced a studyWith no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?None were studying the two scenarios.Well you haven’t done that.Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other twoIrrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on youWell since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.
And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?
Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have
If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.
I have and have pposted many links
Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.
Why a vegan diet can make you live longer
Every three per cent increase in calories from plant protein was found to reduce risk of death by 10 per cent
The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.
You might want to actually read the article I linked to
Yes it does where do you think I pulled the quote from. Try reading more than just the title
It's the second paragraph of the article
But here's the link to The JAMA release
For the Media - Embargoed Access to the JAMA Network
Access embargoed news releases, journal articles, and JAMA Report Video releases from The JAMA Network.
No I suppose you';ll say that's not a study either
considering all of the chemicals that get injected into beef, pork and chicken....there has to be some downside to heavy consumption of those items I would think.
JO
Pesticides80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. IIt says no such thing. Even the title says can and not will. And reignite debates, not facts.The article refeneced a studyWith no evidence. See, it’s that damn evidence thingy you don’t have to make any opinion fact. Again, dude, I don’t care your habits, why are you so concerned with ours?None were studying the two scenarios.Well you haven’t done that.Playing leftists games now. Look up my posts in here and I answered you twice, I’m not doing a third time. It’s obvious I was right since you ignored the other twoIrrelevant, you’re trying to push an agenda, not discuss meat. Again, shame on youWell since this thread is about not needing to eat a lot meat it makes sense that people who don't eat meat post here.I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.
Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..
JO
I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.
And what other threads do I talk about nit eating meat other than the ones about diet?
Where have I pushed anything on anyone please quote the post where I have
If you think making a factual statement is "pushing an agenda" that's your problem not mine.
I have and have pposted many links
Actually one of the articles did link eating less meat to living longer.
Why a vegan diet can make you live longer
Every three per cent increase in calories from plant protein was found to reduce risk of death by 10 per cent
The study has been published in the JAMA Internal Medicine Journal and reignites debate around increasingly popular vegan diets amid conflicting medical advice and evidence over their impact of proponents' health.
You might want to actually read the article I linked to
Yes it does where do you think I pulled the quote from. Try reading more than just the title
It's the second paragraph of the article
But here's the link to The JAMA release
For the Media - Embargoed Access to the JAMA Network
Access embargoed news releases, journal articles, and JAMA Report Video releases from The JAMA Network.
No I suppose you';ll say that's not a study either
considering all of the chemicals that get injected into beef, pork and chicken....there has to be some downside to heavy consumption of those items I would think.
JO
Zero argument from me on that.80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. I
Doctors know NOTHING about nutrition.Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need "
Including pesticides that help to better crop successZero argument from me on that.80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. I
Corporate franken-food is a pandemic in this country. Right along with all of the processed foods, government subsidized snack foods - fast food nation... all of it.
Which is why The American Heart Association, Diabetes Association, Cancer Society among others all refuse to say that eating less meat will actually prevent heart disease and diabetes and reduce the risk of cancer because if they did they would lose the funding of the meat dairy and pharmaceutical industriesZero argument from me on that.80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. I
Corporate franken-food is a pandemic in this country. Right along with all of the processed foods, government subsidized snack foods - fast food nation... all of it.
Yeah but no so great if you ingest them.Including pesticides that help to better crop successZero argument from me on that.80% of all the antibiotics manufactured in the world are used on livestock. I
Corporate franken-food is a pandemic in this country. Right along with all of the processed foods, government subsidized snack foods - fast food nation... all of it.
I'll take "things conservative women say to keep their husbands happy" for $1000, Pat.You don't need much meat.....just a little.....
JO
Doctors know NOTHING about nutrition.Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need "
I eat watermelon, then juice the rind. I eat potatoes with the skin.Can you be more specific when you say whole food it's a very nebulous term. I mean you don't eat the coconut shells do you?
