Would Most Gays Have Settled for Civil Unions Instead Of Marriages?

[Uncensored2008]

The big thing in Sodom and Gamorrah was they were inhospitable and wanted to rape Angels.

Teh Gheys are like that..

 

[Maryland Patriot]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for theland of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."

• Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
  You do realize that the big thing in Sodom and Gomorrah was the practice of homosexuality right?
  and it goes on to specify that marriage, or the joining is between a man and his wife.
  Indirectly Jesus does speak against homosexuality.
  look up and read the beatitudes, they also mention that the homosexual will not inherit the riches of Heaven.
  
  but, you knew all of this already.

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

homosexual couples have always existed and the religious zealots can't ever change that 'situation'.

religion has aways existed and homosexual couples cant change that.

Always?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

yeah that is where I wanted to enter the conversation.

I can see a motel room / medicine / food and I am sure a few more items that would be considered necessary to continue a comfortable life.

I don't see that cakes fall into that train of thought, any one who forces a baker to bake or any one to serve another against the servers personal feelings is wrong.

You can make people do things through laws, but you can't make them like it.

While this SCOTUS see's things that way, it doesn't make it majority popular and is certainly reversable.

I compare you folks to all those old temperance bitch's who danced and celebrated when temperance became law.

That was that America, the America that was right around the corner sure shit all over that law and the temperance movement.

When I read all the spilled milk post by the fag crowd seeking acceptance and waving their legal victories around, I can't help but picture all those fucking Teetotalers and their disappointment when it all came crashing down.

That crash is coming, will the voices of the gays be as loud as those of the temperance movement??

The temperance movement lost because they were stopping people from doing what they wanted to do. The anti-SSM movement lost for the same reason. People aren't seeking acceptance, they are demanding it. Good for them.

The temperance movement lost because that is not who we were societally.

Religion forced that change, gays have forced this change.

Eventually the good people will have enough and things will change.

That's the way it went down in Rome.

The society had fallen into such disgust and vile that it was easy for the Christians to come in and put homosexuality back into the closet in Rome.

History will repeat itself.

If that helps you out, then please go ahead and believe it.

It is truth. don't act like it is not ..................

It is a total fantasy, but I am fine with you thinking otherwise. This is a free country and there is no law that says you have to live in the real world.

Under Christian rule
Attitudes toward same-sex behavior changed as Christianity became more prominent in the Empire. The modern perception of Roman sexual decadence can be traced to early Christian polemic.[194] Apart from measures to protect the liberty of citizens, the prosecution of homosexual acts as a general crime began in the 3rd century of the Christian era when male prostitution was banned by Philip the Arab. A series of laws regulating homosexual acts were promulgated during the social crisis of the 3rd century, from the statutory rape of minors to gay marriage.[195]

By the end of the 4th century, passive homosexual acts under the Christian Empire were punishable by burning.[196] "Death by sword" was the punishment for a "man coupling like a woman" under the Theodosian Code.[197] It can be argued, however, that legislation under Christian rule was an extension of traditional Roman views on appropriate gender roles, and not an abrupt shift based on Christian theology. It is in the 6th century, under Justinian, that legal and moral discourse on homosexuality becomes distinctly Christian:[198] all same-sex acts, passive or active, no matter who the partners, were declared contrary to nature and punishable by death.[199] Homosexual behaviors were pointed to as causes for God's wrath following a series of disasters around 542 and 559.[200]
Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


History of Christianity and homosexuality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Denominational positions

This article focuses on the history of homosexuality and Christianity from the beginnings of the Church through the mid 1900s. For current teachings of Christian Churches on homosexuality see Homosexuality and Christianity.

Christian leaders have written about homosexual male-male sexual activities since the first decades of Christianity; female-female sexual behaviour was essentially ignored.[1] Throughout the majority of Christian history most theologians and Christian denominations have viewed homosexual behavior as immoral or sinful. However, in the past century some prominent theologians and Christian religious groups have espoused a wide variety of beliefs and practices towards homosexuals, including the establishment of some 'open and accepting' congregations that actively support LGBT members.

Early Christianity
Main article: Early Christianity
See also: History of same-sex unions
Prior to the rise of Christianity, certain "homosexual"[2] practices had existed among certain groups, with some degree of social acceptance in ancient Rome and ancient Greece (e.g. the pederastic relationship of an adult Greek male with a Greek youth, or of a Roman citizen with a slave). It is understood by some that St. Paul was only addressing such practices in Romans 1: 26–27, while others usually see these verses as condemning all forms of homoeroticism.

Plutarch's Erotikos (Dialogue on Love) argues that

“ the noble lover of beauty engages in love wherever he sees excellence and splendid natural endowment without regard for any difference in physiological detail."[3] ”
He also says

“ we regard men who take pleasure in passive submission as practicing the lowest kind of vice. ”
[4][verification needed].

The Judaic prohibitions found in Leviticus 18:22 (see also Leviticus 18) and 20:13 purportedly condemn male-male sexual interaction with the latter saying 'And if a man also lies with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

In his fourth homily on Romans,[5] St. John Chrysostom argued in the fourth century that homosexual acts are worse than murder and so degrading that they constitute a kind of punishment in itself, and that enjoyment of such acts actually makes them worse, "for suppose I were to see a person running naked, with his body all besmeared with mire, and yet not covering himself, but exulting in it, I should not rejoice with him, but should rather bewail that he did not even perceive that he was doing shamefully." He also said:

“ But nothing can there be more worthless than a man who has pandered himself. For not the soul only, but the body also of one who hath been so treated, is disgraced, and deserves to be driven out everywhere. ”
However, he emphasizes, in P.G. 60:417, col. 1, near bottom of the column,that he (and Paul) is not referring to two men who are in love with one another, but who burn in their appetite for each other. He writes, clarifying Paul's position in Romans 1,

“ he did not say that they fell in love [< "eros"] or had passion for each other, but rather that they `burned in their appetite for each
other'.

”
Historian John Boswell contends that adelphopoiesis, a Christian rite for uniting two persons of the same sex as "spiritual brothers/sisters", amounted to an approved outlet for romantic and indeed sexual love between couples of the same sex. Boswell also drew attention to Saints Sergius and Bacchus, whose icon depicts the two standing together with Jesus between or behind them, a position he identifies with a pronubus or "best man". Critics of Boswell's views have argued that the union created was more like blood brotherhood; and that this icon is a typical example of an icon depicting two saints who were martyred together, with the usual image of Christ that appears on many religious icons, and therefore that there is no indication that it depicts a "wedding". But Saints Sergius and Bacchus were both referred to as erastai in ancient Greek manuscripts, the same word used to describe lovers (Boswell).

The 16th Canon of the Council of Ancyra (314)[6] prescribed a penance of at least twenty years' duration for those "who have done the irrational" (alogeuesthai). At the time this was written, it referred to bestiality, not homosexuality. However, later Latin translations translated it to include both.[7]

In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans declared the death penalty for a male who took on the passive role of a bride (rather than marry as equals with another man).[8] In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius denounced males "acting the part of a woman", condemning those who were guilty of such acts to be publicly burned.[9]

The Middle Ages
Main article: Homosexuality and Medieval Christianity


St. Thomas Aquinas


Saints Sergius and Bacchus
Historian John Boswell, in his essay The Church and the Homosexual,Jonnel Cafe is one of them. [10] attributes Christianity's denunciations of "homosexuality" to an alleged rising intolerance in Europe throughout the 12th century, which he claims was also reflected in other ways. His premise is that when sodomy wasn't being explicitly and "officially" denounced, it was therefore being "tolerated". Historian R. W. Southern disagreed with Boswell's claims and wrote in 1990 that "the only relevant generalization which emerges from the penitential codes down to the eleventh century is that sodomy was treated on about the same level as copulation with animals." Southern further notes that "Boswell thinks that the omission of sodomy from the stringent new code of clerical celibacy issued by the Roman Council of 1059 implies a degree of tolerance. Countering this is the argument that the Council of 1059 had more urgent business on hand; and in any case, sodomy had been condemned by Leo IX at Rheims in 1049."[11] Similarly, Pierre Payer asserted in 1984 that Boswell's thesis (as outlined in his Christianity, Homosexuality and Social Tolerance) ignores an alleged wealth of condemnations found in the pentitential literature prior to the 12th century.[12] More recently, historian Allan Tulchin wrote in 2007 in the Journal of Modern History that, "It is impossible to prove either way and probably also somewhat irrelevant to understanding their way of thinking. They loved each other, and the community accepted that." [13]

The most influential theologian of the Medieval period was Saint Thomas Aquinas, regarded by Catholics as a Doctor of the Church. His moral theology contained a strong element of deontological natural law. On his view, not all things to which a person might be inclined are "natural" in the morally relevant sense; rather, only the inclination to the full and proper expression of the human nature, and inclinations which align with that inclination, are natural. Contrary inclinations are perversions of the natural in the sense that they do seek a good, but in a way destructive of good.[14][15][16]

This view points from the natural to the Divine, because (following Aristotle) he said all people seek happiness; but according to Aquinas, happiness can only finally be attained through the Beatific Vision.[17] Therefore all sins are also against the natural law. But the natural law of many aspects of life is knowable apart from special revelation by examining the forms and purposes of those aspects. It is in this sense that Aquinas considered homosexuality unnatural, since it involves a kind of partner other than the kind to which the purpose of sexuality points. He considered it comparable to heterosexual sex for pleasure (rather than reproduction)[18]

An earlier Doctor of the Church, St. Peter Damian, wrote the Liber Gomorrhianus, an extended attack on both homosexuality and masturbation.[19] He portrayed homosexuality as a counter-rational force undermining morality, religion, and society itself,[20] and in need of strong suppression lest it spread even and especially among clergy.[21]

Hildegard of Bingen, born seven years after the death of St. Peter Damian, reported seeing visions and recorded them in Scivias (short for Scito vias Domini, "Know the Ways of the Lord"[22]). In Book II Vision Six, she quotes God as condemning same-sex intercourse, including lesbianism; "a woman who takes up devilish ways and plays a male role in coupling with another woman is most vile in My sight, and so is she who subjects herself to such a one in this evil deed".[citation needed]

Her younger contemporary Alain de Lille personified the theme of sexual sin in opposition to nature in The Complaint of Nature by having nature herself denounce sexual immorality and especially homosexuality as rebellion against her direction, terming it confusion between masculine and feminine and between subject and object. The Complaint also includes a striking description of the neglect of womanhood:

“ Though all the beauty of man humbles itself before the fairness of woman, being always inferior to her glory; though the face of the daughter of Tyndaris is brought into being and the comeliness of Adonis and Narcissus, conquered, adores her; for all this she is scorned, although she speaks as beauty itself, though her godlike grace affirms her to be a goddess, though for her the thunderbolt would fail in the hand of Jove, and every sinew of Apollo would pause and lie inactive, though for her the free man would become a slave, and Hippolytus, to enjoy her love, would sell his very chastity. Why do so many kisses lie untouched on maiden lips, and no one wish to gain a profit from them?[23] ”
The tone of the denunciations often indicate a more than theoretical concern. Archbishop Ralph of Tours had his lover John installed as bishop of Orléans with agreement of both the King of France and Pope Urban II.[24][unreliable source?] In 1395 there was a transvestite homosexual prostitute arrested in London with some records surviving,[25] and the Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards included the denunciation of priestly celibacy as a cause of sodomy.[26]

Otto III was intimate with many men (sharing the bed and bath)[27] and was anointed by the Pope to be the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire,

The Reformation and Counter-Reformation
Martin Luther's view of homosexuality is recorded in Plass's What Luther Says:[28]

“ The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. Sodomy craves what is entirely contrary to nature. Whence comes this perversion? Without a doubt it comes from the devil. After a man has once turned aside from the fear of God, the devil puts such great pressure upon his nature that he extinguishes the fire of natural desire and stirs up another, which is contrary to nature. ”
Diverging opinions in modern era
Main article: Homosexuality and Christianity
See also: Biblical law in Christianity
Historically, Christian churches have regarded homosexual sex as sinful, based on the Catholic understanding of the natural law and traditional interpretations of certain passages in the Bible. This position is today affirmed by groups representing most Christians, including the Catholic Church (1.1 billion members), Orthodox Church (250 million members), and some Protestant denominations, especially Evangelical churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention (16.3 million members) and the United Methodist Church (12 million members).[29] Restorationist churches such as the LDS Church (13 million members) also view homosexual sex as sinful.

However, a minority interpret biblical passages differently and argue that homosexuality can be seen as morally acceptable. This approach has been taken by a number of denominations in North America, notably the United Church of Canada (2.8 million members), the United Church of Christ (1.1 million members), the Moravian Church (825,000 members), the Anglican Episcopal church, the Anglican Church of Canada (800,000 members), the Liberal Catholic Church, Friends General Conference, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) (1.9 million members), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (3.9 million members) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. Relatively many denominations had taken this approach in Europe including united, reformed and Lutheran churches: the Evangelical Church in Germany (24.5 million members), Church of Sweden (6.6 million members), Church of Norway, Church of Denmark, Protestant Church of the Netherlands (3.9 million members), Church of Iceland, United Protestant Church in Belgium, United Protestant Church of France, Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches, Methodist Church of Great Britain (330,000 members) and Church of Scotland.

A new denomination, the Metropolitan Community Church (40,000 members), has also come into existence specifically to serve the Christian LGBT community. However, individual Christians maintain a variety of beliefs on this subject that may or may not correspond to their official church doctrines. Some mainline Protestant denominations in the United States have also removed language in their bylaws which suggest that homosexuality is a sinful state of being. The Book of Order used by the PCUSA reflects this change.[citation needed] Similar modifications in position can also be seen in the Lutheran ELCA and Disciples of Christ.[30] Although acceptance of sexually active LGBT laity has increased in terms of actual practice and in terms of church law, some of these denominations continue to limit leadership and clergy roles for LGBT persons. A number of denominations, like the aforementioned United Methodists, remain divided over the issues relating to homosexuality, with a large number of members pushing for changes in the church's Book of Discipline to allow for full inclusion of LGBT persons in the life of the church.[31]

In 1989 The Evangelical Network was formed with LGBT Evangelical Christians it is a network of churches, ministries and Christian workers.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

When Nations Die
Kerby Anderson

Kerby Anderson is the president of Probe Ministries International. He received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the author of several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin Science, Living Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, and Moral Dilemmas. He also served as general editor for Marriage, Family and Sexuality.

He is a nationally syndicated columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning News, the Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post.

He is the host of "Probe," and frequently serves as guest host on "Point of View" (USA Radio Network).



Introduction
One of the more popular Probe radio programs has been "Decline of a Nation." I would like to return to this important theme by summarizing the significant work by Jim Nelson Black in his book When Nations Die. When we look at three thousand years of history, we observe that civilizations rise but eventually fall and die. The history of the world is the history of nations that are conquered by other nations or collapse into anarchy.
Jim Nelson Black sees ominous parallels to our own country. He says,

As I have looked back across the ruins and landmarks of antiquity, I have been stunned by the parallels between those societies and our own. For most of us the destruction of Carthage, the rise of the Greek city-states, and the Fall of Rome are mere ghosts of the past, history lessons long forgotten. And such things as the capture of Constantinople, the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, the collapse of the kingdoms of France and Spain, and the slow withering decline of the British Empire are much less clear and less memorable. Most of us do not remember much from our history lessons about the French Enlightenment or, for that matter, the issues that led to the American Revolution. But this is the legitimate background of our own place in history, it is vital that we reconsider the nature of life in those earlier times. For within those eras and movements are the seeds of the troubles we face today.{1}

There are many reasons for the decline and fall of a nation, but an important (and often overlooked) reason is its abandonment of religion. Russell Kirk has said that the roots of "culture" come from the "cult." In other words, culture (cult-ure) is based upon some form of religious or spiritual worldview. Egypt was a religious society founded on the worship of nature gods and goddesses. Greece and Rome had their pantheon of pagan deities. And the list of nations in India, China, and other parts of the globe all demonstrate the principle that civilization arises from religion.

And the opposite is also true. When the traditional beliefs of a nation erode, the nation dies. Religion provides the set of standards that govern a nation. Historian Will Durant said, "There is no significant example in history, before our time, of a society successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion."{2}

Unfortunately, this nation has embarked on a journey to maintain a society without a religious code. The Ten Commandments are pulled from the walls, and religious values are stripped from the public square.

Christian principles are no longer taught in the public schools and often ridiculed in the arenas of education and media. One has to wonder what the fate of this country will be in the future.

Social Decay
In his book When Nations Die, Jim Nelson Black lists three aspects of decay: social decay, cultural decay, and moral decay. Three important trends demonstrate social decay. They are "the crisis of lawlessness," the "loss of economic discipline," and "rising bureaucracy."
History provides ample illustrations of the disastrous consequences of the collapse of law and order. "In ancient Greece, the first symptoms of disorder were a general loss of respect for tradition and the degradation of the young. Among the early symptoms was the decline of art and entertainment. The philosophers and pundits distorted the medium of communication. Rhetoric became combative and intolerant; intellectuals began to deride and attack all the traditional institutions of Hellenic society."{3}

New thinkers in the society argued for "fundamental change" and called for giving the youth a "voice in society." Without traditional guidelines, the young men grew wild and undisciplined destroying the old order. Slowly Greece devolved into a disreputable and lawless nation. The Romans conquered Greece in 146 B.C. By placing everything under military authority, they were able to restore order and bring back the rule of law.

In a study of the French Revolution, José Ortega y Gasset noted that "Order is not pressure which is imposed on society from without, but an equilibrium which is set up from within."{4} The Roman Empire (as well as other great civilizations) understood that discipline and custom were essential to stability.

A similar story can be found in ancient Egypt during the fourth century B.C. Lawlessness and violence crippled the economy, and the nation was in chaos. When Alexander the Great invaded the country in 333 B.C., his first task was to restore order and institute martial law (which he did in a ruthless manner). With the death of Alexander, Egypt returned to its old ways until the Roman Empire brought peace to the region through conquest and martial law.

Carthage was once called "the eternal rival of Rome" but its preeminence and impact waned as it "sank into debauchery and dissipation as a result of great wealth and luxury." Law and order were destroyed from within. Moreover, the rich young men of Carthage no longer wanted to serve in the military so they hired mercenaries to do their fighting. But when the army came into fierce conflict with Rome and other adversaries, the mercenaries ran and left the nation defenseless. Carthage fell to Rome in 146 B.C., and the first act of the Roman legions was to restore law and order.

In these and many other examples, social decay led to the decline and fall of a great civilization. If we are to prevent a repeat of history, then we must learn from these lessons of history.

Cultural Decay
Four important trends demonstrate cultural decay. They are the "decline of education," the "weakening of cultural foundations," the "loss of respect for tradition," and the "increase in materialism."
In his study The Civilization of Rome, Donald Dudley says that no single cause, by itself, would have brought the empire to its knees. Instead, the fall came through "a number of weaknesses in Roman society; their effects may be variously estimated, but in combination they must have been largely responsible for the collapse."{5}

The cultural decay of a nation leads inexorably to social and cultural decline. And the patterns are similar from one civilization to another. Samuel Eisenstadt wondered if the similarities were apparent or if they were historical and legitimate. After studying the work of a half dozen historians, he concluded that the similarities were actual. He concluded that "despite the great difference in cultural background–most of these empires have shown similar characteristics, and that these characteristics provide the key to an understanding of the processes of their decline."{6}

The Roman poet Livy wrote that greed and self-indulgence led Romans to dangerous excesses. He said, "For it is true that when men had fewer possessions, they were also modest in their desires. Lately riches have brought avarice and abundant pleasures, and the desire to carry luxury and lust to the point of ruin and universal perdition."{7}

In describing the decadence of the Roman Republic, historian Polybius wrote that this preoccupation with luxury led to carnal indulgences. "For some young men indulged in affairs with boys, others in affairs with courtesans." They paid a talent (roughly a thousand dollars) for a boy bought for sexual pleasure and three hundred drachmas for a jar of caviar. "Marcus Cato was outraged by this and, in a speech to the people, complained that one might be quite convinced of the decline of the republic, when pretty boys cost more than fields and jars of caviar cost more than plowman."{8}

As we look at our society today, we too find ourselves in a world where values have been inverted and where citizens pursue hedonistic pleasures without counting the cost. Our nation would be wise to learn the lessons of the past.

Moral Decay
Three important trends demonstrate moral decay. They are the "rise in immorality," the "decay of religious belief," and the "devaluing of human life."
The classic study of Roman civilization, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, written by English historian Edward Gibbon was published in that famous year of 1776. He "observed that the leaders of the empire gave into the vices of strangers, morals collapsed, laws became oppressive, and the abuse of power made the nation vulnerable to the barbarian hordes."{9}

British historian Catherine Edwards demonstrated that our current examples of immorality are not a modern phenomenon. In her study of the "politics of immorality" in ancient Rome, she says that contraception, abortion, and exposure were common ways to prevent childbirth in Rome. Husbands refused to recognize any child they did not believe to be their own. "Until accepted by its father, a Roman baby did not, legally speaking, exist."{10}

Life became cheap in the latter days of the Roman Empire. Burdensome regulation and taxes made manufacturing and trade unprofitable. Families were locked into hereditary trades and vocations allowing little if any vocational choice. Eventually, children were seen as a needless burden and abortion and infanticide became commonplace. In some cases, children were sold into slavery.

Manners and social life fell into debauchery. Under Justinian, entertainment grew bawdier and more bizarre. Orgies and love feasts were common. Homosexuality and bestiality were openly practiced. Under Nero, Christians were blamed for the great fire in Rome and horribly persecuted.

Similar patterns can be found in other civilizations. In Greece, the music of the young people became wild and coarse. Popular entertainment was brutal and vulgar. Promiscuity, homosexuality, and drunkenness became a daily part of life. And all moral and social restraints were lost leading to greater decadence.

In Carthage, worship turned from Baal to the earth goddess Tanit. "Sacrifices to the goddess of fertility were supposed to ensure productivity, long life, and even greater profits."{11} Ornately carved funeral monuments depicting infant sacrifice can be seen today along with thousands of tiny stone coffins to infants sacrificed to the pagan goddess.

The parallels to our own nation are striking. No, we don't sacrifice infants to a pagan goddess, but we have aborted nearly 40 million babies on the altar of convenience. And various sexual practices are openly accepted as part of an alternative lifestyle. It's no wonder that many believe our country is a nation in decline.

Are We A Nation in Decline?
Throughout this article we have been describing the patterns of decline in a nation. Do these patterns apply to our own nation? Many people looking at the patterns of social, cultural, and moral decay in other countries and civilizations have concluded that we are headed down the same path.
Russell Kirk put it this way:

It appears to me that our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence; that what many people mistake for the triumph of our civilization actually consists of powers that are disintegrating our culture; that the vaunted 'democratic freedom' of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions which attack religious belief; which destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization; which efface life-giving tradition and custom.{12}

When we understand the factors that led to the decline of great civilizations, we can easily see that this country can succumb to similar temptations and decadence. What happened in Greece, Rome, Egypt, Carthage, and many other civilizations can happen to us.

Professor Allan Bloom in his book The Closing of the American Mind, said, "This is the American moment in world history, the one for which we shall forever be judged. Just as in politics the responsibility for the fate of freedom in the world has devolved upon our regime, so the fate of the philosophy in the world has devolved upon our universities, and the two are related as they have never been before."{13}

We as a nation and a people must rise to the occasion or suffer a fate similar to that which has befallen civilizations in the past. The task is not easy since the patterns of decay found in other nations strike ours as well. Nations were subverted by false and foreign ideologies. We too find hostile ideas in the public arenas of media, politics, and education. Sexual promiscuity led to the downfall of these nations. So too we find similar patterns of sexual promiscuity and debauchery.

As nations fell into decline, life became cheap. Infants were strangled, exposed to the elements, or sold into slavery. Others were sacrificed to pagan goddesses in order to ensure productivity or a long life. Today life has become cheap. At one end of the spectrum, unborn babies are aborted. At the other end, physician-assisted suicide is becoming acceptable for the aged.

In his study of history, Arnold Toynbee describes the predictable pattern of "challenge and response." We as a nation are challenged in fundamental ways, and our response will either pull us back from the brink or push us over it. Will we follow the path to renewal and reformation or will we follow the path to destruction? The choice is ours.

When Nations Die

 

[Syriusly]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for theland of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."

• Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
  You do realize that the big thing in Sodom and Gomorrah was the practice of homosexuality right?
  and it goes on to specify that marriage, or the joining is between a man and his wife.
  Indirectly Jesus does speak against homosexuality.
  look up and read the beatitudes, they also mention that the homosexual will not inherit the riches of Heaven.
  
  but, you knew all of this already.

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?.

Can you show me where Paul was talking saying 'except for public accommodation laws'?

His words are pretty straightforward- he is telling Christians to obey the law- obey the government- because the authorities have been put in place by God.

13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government
There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God,
and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God.
2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established.
People who take this kind of stand will get punished.
3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval.
4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong.
5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience.
6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for theland of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."

• Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
  You do realize that the big thing in Sodom and Gomorrah was the practice of homosexuality right?
  and it goes on to specify that marriage, or the joining is between a man and his wife.
  Indirectly Jesus does speak against homosexuality.
  look up and read the beatitudes, they also mention that the homosexual will not inherit the riches of Heaven.
  
  but, you knew all of this already.

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

religion has aways existed and homosexual couples cant change that.

Always?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

 

[Syriusly]

The temperance movement lost because they were stopping people from doing what they wanted to do. The anti-SSM movement lost for the same reason. People aren't seeking acceptance, they are demanding it. Good for them.

The temperance movement lost because that is not who we were societally.

Religion forced that change, gays have forced this change.

Eventually the good people will have enough and things will change.

That's the way it went down in Rome.

The society had fallen into such disgust and vile that it was easy for the Christians to come in and put homosexuality back into the closet in Rome.

History will repeat itself.

If that helps you out, then please go ahead and believe it.

It is truth. don't act like it is not ..................

It is a total fantasy, but I am fine with you thinking otherwise. This is a free country and there is no law that says you have to live in the real world.

Under Christian rule
Attitudes toward same-sex behavior changed as Christianity became more prominent in the Empire. The modern perception of Roman sexual decadence can be traced to early Christian polemic.[194] Apart from measures to protect the liberty of citizens, the prosecution of homosexual acts as a general crime began in the 3rd century of the Christian era when male prostitution was banned by Philip the Arab. A series of laws regulating homosexual acts were promulgated during the social crisis of the 3rd century, from the statutory rape of minors to gay marriage.[195]

By the end of the 4th century, passive homosexual acts under the Christian Empire were punishable by burning.[196] "Death by sword" was the punishment for a "man coupling like a woman" under the Theodosian Code.[197] It can be argued, however, that legislation under Christian rule was an extension of traditional Roman views on appropriate gender roles, and not an abrupt shift based on Christian theology. It is in the 6th century, under Justinian, that legal and moral discourse on homosexuality becomes distinctly Christian:[198] all same-sex acts, passive or active, no matter who the partners, were declared contrary to nature and punishable by death.[199] Homosexual behaviors were pointed to as causes for God's wrath following a series of disasters around 542 and 559.[200]
Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


History of Christianity and homosexuality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Denominational positions

This article focuses on the history of homosexuality and Christianity from the beginnings of the Church through the mid 1900s. For current teachings of Christian Churches on homosexuality see Homosexuality and Christianity.

Christian leaders have written about homosexual male-male sexual activities since the first decades of Christianity; female-female sexual behaviour was essentially ignored.[1] Throughout the majority of Christian history most theologians and Christian denominations have viewed homosexual behavior as immoral or sinful. However, in the past century some prominent theologians and Christian religious groups have espoused a wide variety of beliefs and practices towards homosexuals, including the establishment of some 'open and accepting' congregations that actively support LGBT members.

Early Christianity
Main article: Early Christianity
See also: History of same-sex unions
Prior to the rise of Christianity, certain "homosexual"[2] practices had existed among certain groups, with some degree of social acceptance in ancient Rome and ancient Greece (e.g. the pederastic relationship of an adult Greek male with a Greek youth, or of a Roman citizen with a slave). It is understood by some that St. Paul was only addressing such practices in Romans 1: 26–27, while others usually see these verses as condemning all forms of homoeroticism.

Plutarch's Erotikos (Dialogue on Love) argues that

“ the noble lover of beauty engages in love wherever he sees excellence and splendid natural endowment without regard for any difference in physiological detail."[3] ”
He also says

“ we regard men who take pleasure in passive submission as practicing the lowest kind of vice. ”
[4][verification needed].

The Judaic prohibitions found in Leviticus 18:22 (see also Leviticus 18) and 20:13 purportedly condemn male-male sexual interaction with the latter saying 'And if a man also lies with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

In his fourth homily on Romans,[5] St. John Chrysostom argued in the fourth century that homosexual acts are worse than murder and so degrading that they constitute a kind of punishment in itself, and that enjoyment of such acts actually makes them worse, "for suppose I were to see a person running naked, with his body all besmeared with mire, and yet not covering himself, but exulting in it, I should not rejoice with him, but should rather bewail that he did not even perceive that he was doing shamefully." He also said:

“ But nothing can there be more worthless than a man who has pandered himself. For not the soul only, but the body also of one who hath been so treated, is disgraced, and deserves to be driven out everywhere. ”
However, he emphasizes, in P.G. 60:417, col. 1, near bottom of the column,that he (and Paul) is not referring to two men who are in love with one another, but who burn in their appetite for each other. He writes, clarifying Paul's position in Romans 1,

“ he did not say that they fell in love [< "eros"] or had passion for each other, but rather that they `burned in their appetite for each
other'.

”
Historian John Boswell contends that adelphopoiesis, a Christian rite for uniting two persons of the same sex as "spiritual brothers/sisters", amounted to an approved outlet for romantic and indeed sexual love between couples of the same sex. Boswell also drew attention to Saints Sergius and Bacchus, whose icon depicts the two standing together with Jesus between or behind them, a position he identifies with a pronubus or "best man". Critics of Boswell's views have argued that the union created was more like blood brotherhood; and that this icon is a typical example of an icon depicting two saints who were martyred together, with the usual image of Christ that appears on many religious icons, and therefore that there is no indication that it depicts a "wedding". But Saints Sergius and Bacchus were both referred to as erastai in ancient Greek manuscripts, the same word used to describe lovers (Boswell).

The 16th Canon of the Council of Ancyra (314)[6] prescribed a penance of at least twenty years' duration for those "who have done the irrational" (alogeuesthai). At the time this was written, it referred to bestiality, not homosexuality. However, later Latin translations translated it to include both.[7]

In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans declared the death penalty for a male who took on the passive role of a bride (rather than marry as equals with another man).[8] In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius denounced males "acting the part of a woman", condemning those who were guilty of such acts to be publicly burned.[9]

The Middle Ages
Main article: Homosexuality and Medieval Christianity


St. Thomas Aquinas


Saints Sergius and Bacchus
Historian John Boswell, in his essay The Church and the Homosexual,Jonnel Cafe is one of them. [10] attributes Christianity's denunciations of "homosexuality" to an alleged rising intolerance in Europe throughout the 12th century, which he claims was also reflected in other ways. His premise is that when sodomy wasn't being explicitly and "officially" denounced, it was therefore being "tolerated". Historian R. W. Southern disagreed with Boswell's claims and wrote in 1990 that "the only relevant generalization which emerges from the penitential codes down to the eleventh century is that sodomy was treated on about the same level as copulation with animals." Southern further notes that "Boswell thinks that the omission of sodomy from the stringent new code of clerical celibacy issued by the Roman Council of 1059 implies a degree of tolerance. Countering this is the argument that the Council of 1059 had more urgent business on hand; and in any case, sodomy had been condemned by Leo IX at Rheims in 1049."[11] Similarly, Pierre Payer asserted in 1984 that Boswell's thesis (as outlined in his Christianity, Homosexuality and Social Tolerance) ignores an alleged wealth of condemnations found in the pentitential literature prior to the 12th century.[12] More recently, historian Allan Tulchin wrote in 2007 in the Journal of Modern History that, "It is impossible to prove either way and probably also somewhat irrelevant to understanding their way of thinking. They loved each other, and the community accepted that." [13]

The most influential theologian of the Medieval period was Saint Thomas Aquinas, regarded by Catholics as a Doctor of the Church. His moral theology contained a strong element of deontological natural law. On his view, not all things to which a person might be inclined are "natural" in the morally relevant sense; rather, only the inclination to the full and proper expression of the human nature, and inclinations which align with that inclination, are natural. Contrary inclinations are perversions of the natural in the sense that they do seek a good, but in a way destructive of good.[14][15][16]

This view points from the natural to the Divine, because (following Aristotle) he said all people seek happiness; but according to Aquinas, happiness can only finally be attained through the Beatific Vision.[17] Therefore all sins are also against the natural law. But the natural law of many aspects of life is knowable apart from special revelation by examining the forms and purposes of those aspects. It is in this sense that Aquinas considered homosexuality unnatural, since it involves a kind of partner other than the kind to which the purpose of sexuality points. He considered it comparable to heterosexual sex for pleasure (rather than reproduction)[18]

An earlier Doctor of the Church, St. Peter Damian, wrote the Liber Gomorrhianus, an extended attack on both homosexuality and masturbation.[19] He portrayed homosexuality as a counter-rational force undermining morality, religion, and society itself,[20] and in need of strong suppression lest it spread even and especially among clergy.[21]

Hildegard of Bingen, born seven years after the death of St. Peter Damian, reported seeing visions and recorded them in Scivias (short for Scito vias Domini, "Know the Ways of the Lord"[22]). In Book II Vision Six, she quotes God as condemning same-sex intercourse, including lesbianism; "a woman who takes up devilish ways and plays a male role in coupling with another woman is most vile in My sight, and so is she who subjects herself to such a one in this evil deed".[citation needed]

Her younger contemporary Alain de Lille personified the theme of sexual sin in opposition to nature in The Complaint of Nature by having nature herself denounce sexual immorality and especially homosexuality as rebellion against her direction, terming it confusion between masculine and feminine and between subject and object. The Complaint also includes a striking description of the neglect of womanhood:

“ Though all the beauty of man humbles itself before the fairness of woman, being always inferior to her glory; though the face of the daughter of Tyndaris is brought into being and the comeliness of Adonis and Narcissus, conquered, adores her; for all this she is scorned, although she speaks as beauty itself, though her godlike grace affirms her to be a goddess, though for her the thunderbolt would fail in the hand of Jove, and every sinew of Apollo would pause and lie inactive, though for her the free man would become a slave, and Hippolytus, to enjoy her love, would sell his very chastity. Why do so many kisses lie untouched on maiden lips, and no one wish to gain a profit from them?[23] ”
The tone of the denunciations often indicate a more than theoretical concern. Archbishop Ralph of Tours had his lover John installed as bishop of Orléans with agreement of both the King of France and Pope Urban II.[24][unreliable source?] In 1395 there was a transvestite homosexual prostitute arrested in London with some records surviving,[25] and the Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards included the denunciation of priestly celibacy as a cause of sodomy.[26]

Otto III was intimate with many men (sharing the bed and bath)[27] and was anointed by the Pope to be the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire,

The Reformation and Counter-Reformation
Martin Luther's view of homosexuality is recorded in Plass's What Luther Says:[28]

“ The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. Sodomy craves what is entirely contrary to nature. Whence comes this perversion? Without a doubt it comes from the devil. After a man has once turned aside from the fear of God, the devil puts such great pressure upon his nature that he extinguishes the fire of natural desire and stirs up another, which is contrary to nature. ”
Diverging opinions in modern era
Main article: Homosexuality and Christianity
See also: Biblical law in Christianity
Historically, Christian churches have regarded homosexual sex as sinful, based on the Catholic understanding of the natural law and traditional interpretations of certain passages in the Bible. This position is today affirmed by groups representing most Christians, including the Catholic Church (1.1 billion members), Orthodox Church (250 million members), and some Protestant denominations, especially Evangelical churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention (16.3 million members) and the United Methodist Church (12 million members).[29] Restorationist churches such as the LDS Church (13 million members) also view homosexual sex as sinful.

However, a minority interpret biblical passages differently and argue that homosexuality can be seen as morally acceptable. This approach has been taken by a number of denominations in North America, notably the United Church of Canada (2.8 million members), the United Church of Christ (1.1 million members), the Moravian Church (825,000 members), the Anglican Episcopal church, the Anglican Church of Canada (800,000 members), the Liberal Catholic Church, Friends General Conference, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) (1.9 million members), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (3.9 million members) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. Relatively many denominations had taken this approach in Europe including united, reformed and Lutheran churches: the Evangelical Church in Germany (24.5 million members), Church of Sweden (6.6 million members), Church of Norway, Church of Denmark, Protestant Church of the Netherlands (3.9 million members), Church of Iceland, United Protestant Church in Belgium, United Protestant Church of France, Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches, Methodist Church of Great Britain (330,000 members) and Church of Scotland.

A new denomination, the Metropolitan Community Church (40,000 members), has also come into existence specifically to serve the Christian LGBT community. However, individual Christians maintain a variety of beliefs on this subject that may or may not correspond to their official church doctrines. Some mainline Protestant denominations in the United States have also removed language in their bylaws which suggest that homosexuality is a sinful state of being. The Book of Order used by the PCUSA reflects this change.[citation needed] Similar modifications in position can also be seen in the Lutheran ELCA and Disciples of Christ.[30] Although acceptance of sexually active LGBT laity has increased in terms of actual practice and in terms of church law, some of these denominations continue to limit leadership and clergy roles for LGBT persons. A number of denominations, like the aforementioned United Methodists, remain divided over the issues relating to homosexuality, with a large number of members pushing for changes in the church's Book of Discipline to allow for full inclusion of LGBT persons in the life of the church.[31]

In 1989 The Evangelical Network was formed with LGBT Evangelical Christians it is a network of churches, ministries and Christian workers.

Great job of cut and paste

Under Christian rule
Attitudes toward same-sex behavior changed as Christianity became more prominent in the Empire. The modern perception of Roman sexual decadence can be traced to early Christian polemic.[194] Apart from measures to protect the liberty of citizens, the prosecution of homosexual acts as a general crime began in the 3rd century of the Christian era when male prostitution was banned by Philip the Arab. A series of laws regulating homosexual acts were promulgated during the social crisis of the 3rd century, from the statutory rape of minors to gay marriage.[195]

By the end of the 4th century, passive homosexual acts under the Christian Empire were punishable by burning.[196] "Death by sword" was the punishment for a "man coupling like a woman" under the Theodosian Code.[197] It can be argued, however, that legislation under Christian rule was an extension of traditional Roman views on appropriate gender roles, and not an abrupt shift based on Christian theology. It is in the 6th century, under Justinian, that legal and moral discourse on homosexuality becomes distinctly Christian:[198] all same-sex acts, passive or active, no matter who the partners, were declared contrary to nature and punishable by death.[199] Homosexual behaviors were pointed to as causes for God's wrath following a series of disasters around 542 and 559.[200]
Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The history of the Roman Empire covers the history of Ancient Rome from the fall of the Roman Republic in 27 BC until the abdication of the last Emperor in 476 AD.

So Rome lasted roughly 500 years. And fell after homosexuality was outlawed by the Christian Roman Empire.

Rome was Christian for the last 100-150 years- a better case can be made that the cause of Rome's fall was its adoption of Christianity.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for theland of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."

• Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
  You do realize that the big thing in Sodom and Gomorrah was the practice of homosexuality right?
  and it goes on to specify that marriage, or the joining is between a man and his wife.
  Indirectly Jesus does speak against homosexuality.
  look up and read the beatitudes, they also mention that the homosexual will not inherit the riches of Heaven.
  
  but, you knew all of this already.

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

Always?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

I have no doubt that our culture will decline, its been doing so for many years. I know my fate, so I just kick back and smile as Heaven becomes less crowded by the hour.

 

[rightwinger]

Just some food for thought. Libs will attack because I'm not one of them, but I wish for once I could get a few thoughtful answers.

I do think there was a time that they would have been perfectly happy with calling them "civil unions", but over time as they grew more and more aggressive and absolutist, that notion just kind of faded away.

The argument against civil unions now appears to be "equal but separate" or "unequal but equal", or whatever. But they're now in absolutist mode, so this is essentially a moot point. No compromise.

Maybe Christians should come up with a new word that denotes a marriage under God or something. A great deal of energy is being put into semantics and symbolism here.

.

Once again- the gays were 'absolutist'?

I have pointed out in post after post how Christian Conservatives fought civil unions just as much- and for the exact same reason- as they fought against allowing Americans to marry.

The argument against civil unions is that Americans have no right to a civil union- but all Americans have a right to marriage. Since Christian Conservatives were legally blocking marriage and civil unions, homosexual couples went to court to fight for their right to marriage.

This revisionist history by opponents of same gender marriage is just ridiculous.

I'm pro-gay marriage, and whatever the conservatives did does not change the fact that once the Left demanded "marriage", civil unions were no longer good enough.

.

What fact? You appear to be confusing your opinion with 'fact'.

Christian conservatives opposed civil unions just as they opposed gay marriage. The State of Georgia when it made same gender marriage illegal also made civil unions illegal.

Christian Conservatives ensured that civil unions would never be legally equal to marriage.

Homosexuals who wanted a legally equal union had one legal option to counter that- going to court to demand their Constitutional right to marriage.

There never was any right to a civil union- but there was always a right to marriage.

Christian Conservatives demanded that gays be denied any legal recognition similar to marriage- and they reaped what they sowed.

Very true

Conservatives were on a roll. They won vote after vote and thought they could end legitimized same sex relationships once and for all
DOMA, State Constitutional amendments, laws all forbidding the government from ever recognizing same sex relationships

They overplayed their hand......and lost

Now they are coming back with ...We changed our mind about civil unions, you can have them now

 

[Syriusly]

We as a nation and a people must rise to the occasion or suffer a fate similar to that which has befallen civilizations in the past. The task is not easy since the patterns of decay found in other nations strike ours as well. Nations were subverted by false and foreign ideologies. We too find hostile ideas in the public arenas of media, politics, and education. Sexual promiscuity led to the downfall of these nations. So too we find similar patterns of sexual promiscuity and debauchery.

As nations fell into decline, life became cheap. Infants were strangled, exposed to the elements, or sold into slavery.
When Nations Die

So lots of fallacies in the article.

If we are talking about Rome- are you saying that Rome was subverted by a false and foreign ideology- Christianity? Maybe so.

The claim that 'sexual promiscuity' led to the downfall of these nations is totally unsubstantiated- and just bizarre since Rome had legalized prostitution for its entire existence.

And as for 'infants strangled, exposed to the elements'- this was a very old Roman practice- going back all the way to the founding of Rome- the tale of Romulus and Remus is a tale of attempted infanticide.

So 'life was cheap' in Rome for its entire existence- but your author sees this as suddenly a cause for Rome's fall- after 500 years?

The authors assumptions do not stand up to scrutiny- nor to anyone who knows history.

Rome fell after Roman citizens were required to become Christians- presumably they stopped performing infanticide then- and after all of that- the empire fell.

A better argument for causality is that Christianity caused the the Fall of Rome.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

I have no doubt that our culture will decline, its been doing so for many years. I know my fate, so I just kick back and smile as Heaven becomes less crowded by the hour.

Hyperbolic nonsense and demagoguery.

Our culture will not 'decline,' the notion is ridiculous idiocy.

 

[Syriusly]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for theland of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."

• Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
  You do realize that the big thing in Sodom and Gomorrah was the practice of homosexuality right?
  and it goes on to specify that marriage, or the joining is between a man and his wife.
  Indirectly Jesus does speak against homosexuality.
  look up and read the beatitudes, they also mention that the homosexual will not inherit the riches of Heaven.
  
  but, you knew all of this already.

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

Always?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

Every culture in the world eventually declined. Every single one. So history does say ours will decline.

If we are like Rome- we only have another 250 years or so........

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Our country is not the only one being run over by faggots .....................

Fall of Roman Empire caused by 'contagion of homosexuality'
A prominent Italian historian has claimed that the Roman Empire collapsed because a "contagion of homosexuality and effeminacy" made it easy pickings for barbarian hordes, sparking a furious row.

Screen versions of the Romans have varied from the risque scene involving Tony Curtis and Laurence Olivier; to the rough, tough Maximus Decimus Meridius played by Russell Crowe, to the camp comic Frankie Howerd as Lurcio in Up Pompeii! Photo: REX/PA


By Nick Squires, Rome

4:56PM BST 08 Apr 2011



Roberto De Mattei, 63, the deputy head of the country's National Research Council, claimed that the empire was fatally weakened after conquering Carthage, which he described as "a paradise for homosexuals".

The remarks prompted angry calls for his resignation, with critics saying his comments were homophobic, offensive and unbecoming of his position.

The fall of the Roman Empire was a result of "the effeminacy of a few in Carthage, a paradise for homosexuals, who infected the many.

"The abhorrent presence of a few gays infected a good part of the (Roman) people," Prof Mattei told Radio Maria, a Catholic radio station.

The Roman Republic achieved domination over Carthage, in present-day Tunisia, during the Punic Wars of the third and second centuries BC, during which Hannibal made his ultimately abortive crossing of the Alps with war elephants.

After the third and final Punic War, Carthage fell into Roman hands, followed by most of the other dependencies of the Carthaginian Empire.

Prof Mattei claimed that it was as the capital of Rome's North African provinces that Cartagena became a hotbed of sexual perversion, gradually influencing Rome itself, which eventually fell to barbarian tribes in 410AD.

The corruption and decadence of some Roman emperors has been a staple of the cinema for decades, from humorous pastiches such as Frankie Howerd's 1970s television series Up Pompeii! to the 1960 Hollywood film Spartacus.

A homoerotic scene in Spartacus in which Laurence Olivier's character, the Roman General Crassus, attempts to seduce a young slave played by Tony Curtis was cut from the original film but restored in the 1990s.

A more muscular portrayal of Roman manhood was offered by the 2000 film Gladiator, starring Russell Crowe as a betrayed general who comes to Rome to seek revenge as a professional fighter.

Prof Mattei, a conservative Catholic and a former adviser on international affairs to the government, drew a parallel between the supposed moral degeneracy of imperial Rome and that of contemporary Italy.

"Today we live in an era in which the worst vices are inscribed in law as human rights. "Every evil must have its punishment, either in our times or in the afterlife." Politicians and academics were left aghast by his remarks and more than 7,000 have signed a petition calling for his immediate resignation.

"His homophobic and extreme views are offensive to the organisation he leads," said Massimo Donadi, a senior member of an opposition party, Italy of Values, adding that he would refer the affair to parliament.

Anna Paola Concia, an MP from the main opposition Democratic Party, said: "A fanatic such as him cannot remain vice-president of the council in a country that has at its heart culture, human rights and respect for diversity. He is nothing other than a homophobic fundamentalist on a par with Iran's president, Ahmadinejad." Prof De Mattei, who was awarded an order of knighthood by the Vatican in recognition for his service to the Catholic Church, has previously caused controversy by speaking out about gay rights, the contraceptive pill and the alleged persecution of Christians by Muslims in Kosovo and Lebanon
Fall of Roman Empire caused by contagion of homosexuality - Telegraph

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se

Jesus never mentions homosexuality- at all.

But Paul says Christians should obey the law.

Romans 13
13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God. 2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval. 4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong. 5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience. 6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

Some sort of religion has existed since man first became aware. not so sure about gays, if that was the case Adam and Eve would have been masterbating and the story of the Bible would have been pretty short.

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

I have no doubt that our culture will decline, its been doing so for many years. I know my fate, so I just kick back and smile as Heaven becomes less crowded by the hour.

you know there were no public accommodation laws in the bible.
Unless you consider do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The bible was a bit barbaric, in a society that will flourish and thrive it is not always going to be pleasant task in achieving or maintaining that society.

Can you tell me how a cake falls under public accommodations??

 

[Syriusly]

Our country is not the only one being run over by faggots .....................

Fall of Roman Empire caused by 'contagion of homosexuality'
A prominent Italian historian has claimed that the Roman Empire collapsed because a "contagion of homosexuality and effeminacy" made it easy pickings for barbarian hordes, sparking a furious row.
Roberto De Mattei, 63, the deputy head of the country's National Research Council, claimed that the empire was fatally weakened after conquering Carthage, which he described as "a paradise for homosexuals".

The remarks prompted angry calls for his resignation, with critics saying his comments were homophobic, offensive and unbecoming of his position.

The fall of the Roman Empire was a result of "the effeminacy of a few in Carthage, a paradise for homosexuals, who infected the many.

So let me get this straight(pun intended)

The Roman Empire was infected when it conquered Carthage in 146 BC- and after a mere 600 years- the length of the entire Roman Empire- that homosexuality destroyed Rome.

So we only have another 600 years before the infection gets to us also?

 

[Syriusly]

But a business can deny entry due to a confederate flag tee-shirt, or refuse to se
well then I suppose we should obey the law.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 24Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.”

Well I am fine with Christians obeying Christian law.

But Paul says Christians are to obey earthly law- as in public accommodations laws.

can you show me the public accommodations laws in the Bible?

Religion was created by man, myths and fables such as 'Adam and Eve,' and because religion is a creation of man it is imbued with man's faults, failures, ignorance, and fears – completely devoid of legal merit.

Religions are societal road maps, and to date you fucking faggot, no society that is / was homosexual driven / approved have prospered / flourished.

You have a perceived victory that will be short lived, I have already stated your laws can be repealed.

History will repeat itself and you vile disgusting faggots will be driven out of our society.

thats not just a bit harsh.
as long as they dont try to do it to me, and Im ugly so Im safe, my only job is to point out the sin, not to force them to change or condemn them for it.

They are changing our society, you gonna be involved whether you want to or not, history says our culture will decline. You can read what I have posted or not but the article above I posted not only lays it out for you it gives you he logic behind it and the parallelism with same agenda events and how history (societies before us) dealt with it.

I have no doubt that our culture will decline, its been doing so for many years. I know my fate, so I just kick back and smile as Heaven becomes less crowded by the hour.

you know there were no public accommodation laws in the bible.
Unless you consider do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The bible was a bit barbaric, in a society that will flourish and thrive it is not always going to be pleasant task in achieving or maintaining that society.

Can you tell me how a cake falls under public accommodations??

Can you tell me how a Christian can refuse to follow the public accommodation laws that require a business to serve the public?

13 Every person should place themselves under the authority of the government. There isn’t any authority unless it comes from God, and the authorities that are there have been put in place by God.
2 So anyone who opposes the authority is standing against what God has established. People who take this kind of stand will get punished. 3 The authorities don’t frighten people who are doing the right thing. Rather, they frighten people who are doing wrong. Would you rather not be afraid of authority? Do what’s right, and you will receive its approval.
4 It is God’s servant given for your benefit. But if you do what’s wrong, be afraid because it doesn’t have weapons to enforce the law for nothing. It is God’s servant put in place to carry out his punishment on those who do what is wrong.
5 That is why it is necessary to place yourself under the government’s authority, not only to avoid God’s punishment but also for the sake of your conscience.
6 You should also pay taxes for the same reason, because the authorities are God’s assistants, concerned with this very thing. 7 So pay everyone what you owe them. Pay the taxes you owe, pay the duties you are charged, give respect to those you should respect, and honor those you should honor.

 

[Ravi]

Gays evil. Check.
Blacks evil. Check.
Mexicans evil. Check.
Women evil. Check.
Jews evil. Check.

Welcome to the GOP.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Gays evil. Check.
Blacks evil. Check.
Mexicans evil. Check.
Women evil. Check.
Jews evil. Check.

Welcome to the GOP.

Gays that want to force everyone to accept them. Evil, Check
Blacks / Whites / Purple polka dots who don't want to work, Evil, Check
Mexicans / any other nationality who enters the USA illegally / undocumented. Evil, Check.
You have to tell your own lies about women, I dick mine on a regular basis, she smiles, it's all good. Check
Jews / any other ethnic group who is different, Character assassinate / talk shit about. Evil, Check

You just can't make this shit up folks, faggots who see the world through a vile and putrid polarized pair of glasses.
Yes folks that is your classic Democrat / Liberal / Progressive

 

[Ravi]

Gays evil. Check.
Blacks evil. Check.
Mexicans evil. Check.
Women evil. Check.
Jews evil. Check.

Welcome to the GOP.

Gays that want to force everyone to accept them. Evil, Check
Blacks / Whites / Purple polka dots who don't want to work, Evil, Check
Mexicans / any other nationality who enters the USA illegally / undocumented. Evil, Check.
You have to tell your own lies about women, I dick mine on a regular basis, she smiles, it's all good. Check
Jews / any other ethnic group who is different, Character assassinate / talk shit about. Evil, Check

You just can't make this shit up folks, faggots who see the world through a vile and putrid polarized pair of glasses.
Yes folks that is your classic Democrat / Liberal / Progressive

You couldn't dick your dog.

But thanks for admitting I am right.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Gays evil. Check.
Blacks evil. Check.
Mexicans evil. Check.
Women evil. Check.
Jews evil. Check.

Welcome to the GOP.

Gays that want to force everyone to accept them. Evil, Check
Blacks / Whites / Purple polka dots who don't want to work, Evil, Check
Mexicans / any other nationality who enters the USA illegally / undocumented. Evil, Check.
You have to tell your own lies about women, I dick mine on a regular basis, she smiles, it's all good. Check
Jews / any other ethnic group who is different, Character assassinate / talk shit about. Evil, Check

You just can't make this shit up folks, faggots who see the world through a vile and putrid polarized pair of glasses.
Yes folks that is your classic Democrat / Liberal / Progressive

You couldn't dick your dog.

But thanks for admitting I am right.

Only a nasty fucking faggot, like you, would dick his dog ...............

Nasty fucking vile faggot, poor innocent dog ......................