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So, this is good news. But I wonder how many people cheering for it have consistent principles? And how many are hypocrites? F'rinstance - how many of you respect Facebook's right to refuse to serve people who they think are 'sinners'?
Yeah, a baker refusing a special order is TOTALLY comparable to a social media platform censoring content . . . IF YOU'RE INSANE.
Or if you have consistent principles regarding the role of government.
No, just if you're insane and believe you can apply broad, simplistic terms across diverse situations, because feeling smug and self-righteous is so much easier if you don't have to spend time thinking first.
What's with the nastiness? Just debating.
What's with the nastiness? Just debating.
https://www.quora.com/Are-public-accommodations-laws-constitutionalWhat's with the nastiness? Just debating.
You don't know what you're debating. It's a constitutional case
So, this is good news. But I wonder how many people cheering for it have consistent principles? And how many are hypocrites? F'rinstance - how many of you respect Facebook's right to refuse to serve people who they think are 'sinners'?
Yeah, a baker refusing a special order is TOTALLY comparable to a social media platform censoring content . . . IF YOU'RE INSANE.
Or if you have consistent principles regarding the role of government.
No, just if you're insane and believe you can apply broad, simplistic terms across diverse situations, because feeling smug and self-righteous is so much easier if you don't have to spend time thinking first.
Yeah, yeah. I hate to beat a dead horse, but all you're saying is "it's different when we do it". Everybody's got their excuse why THIS time it's ok to trample rights, because REASONS!!!
The bottom line is, Trumpsters want government to crack down on Facebook because they're not toeing the party line. It's the same kind of authoritarian mindset driving the PA laws. That's not how a free society works.
It may as well. You can be certain that no leftist will ever file suit against a Muslim-owned business for refusing to deal with them.Does this only pertain to Christianity of which I am a lifelong practioner?
Trumpsters want government to crack down on Facebook because they're not toeing the party line.The "party line" is freedom of speech.
Wrong case dummy this one was Oregon.Actually, they sent it back to Colorado because the CO civil rights commission showed bias against the cake maker.We have God to thank. Hopefully this will put an end to this harassment by Satan's disciples, aka Homosexuals.
Supreme Court Tosses Ruling Against Christian Bakers Who Refused Cake For Gay Couple
Take your little case before the Supreme Court. See where it gets you.A few links that touch on the Constitutionality of PA laws.
You project more than a 12-theater multiplex.Trumpsters want government to crack down on Facebook because they're not toeing the party line.The "party line" is freedom of speech.
Complete horseshit. Do you really think anyone buys that? Are we supposed to believe that Trumpsters would be up in arms if Facebook was censoring Planned Parenthood ads?? Riiiiight.
The movement to crack down on social media companies is purely political. The right sees them as a political enemy and is looking for any way it can find to turn the screws.
You project more than a 12-theater multiplex.Trumpsters want government to crack down on Facebook because they're not toeing the party line.The "party line" is freedom of speech.
Complete horseshit. Do you really think anyone buys that? Are we supposed to believe that Trumpsters would be up in arms if Facebook was censoring Planned Parenthood ads?? Riiiiight.
The movement to crack down on social media companies is purely political. The right sees them as a political enemy and is looking for any way it can find to turn the screws.
Is there anything I could say that would convince you you're wrong?You project more than a 12-theater multiplex.Trumpsters want government to crack down on Facebook because they're not toeing the party line.The "party line" is freedom of speech.
Complete horseshit. Do you really think anyone buys that? Are we supposed to believe that Trumpsters would be up in arms if Facebook was censoring Planned Parenthood ads?? Riiiiight.
The movement to crack down on social media companies is purely political. The right sees them as a political enemy and is looking for any way it can find to turn the screws.
Nothin?
Is there anything I could say that would convince you you're wrong?
No, they punted. Do you even know what the Masterpiece ruling was?I think you're misrepresenting this case. The SCOTUS just told Oregon to reconsider their decisions based on the Masterpiece case. That ruling was so specific and narrow, the Oregon courts are going to rule exactly the same way they did before.
The SCOTUS punted and bought themselves time, that's it.
SCOTUS gave Oregon a hint...like they did Colorado. You got stuffed...deal with it.
Thus, the Court said, we don't need to look at the validity of the general law (at least not today). We can look more specifically at the Colorado adjudication to end the case. The Court did not, then, consider the strength of the First Amendment versus LGBT rights. It merely sent the case back to Colorado to adjudicate it fairly. That leaves room for Colorado to make the same ruling against the cake shop, but this time the CO Commission will have to be careful that it does not disrespect Phillips' religious arguments.Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (Decided June 4, 2018)
All anti discrimination laws protecting gays remain firmly in place...deal with it.
"Masterpiece Cakeshop became involved in a similar case in 2018, stemming from an incident in June 2017. The bakery refused to bake Autumn Scardina, a Colorado lawyer, a cake to celebrate her gender transition, which would have had a pink interior and blue exterior. Philips stated later that he refused to bake such a cake based on his Christian beliefs that one does not get to choose their gender."
Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission - Wikipedia
"In March 2019 the suit and countersuit between Phillips and the state were dropped, with the state believing that while the core issue on the intersection of discrimination against sexual orientation or gender identity and religious beliefs of service business remain in question, the specific case around Scardina was not the proper vehicle to answer those questions. The agreement allowed Scardina, should she want, to pursue her own civil action against Masterpiece.[50] In June 2019, Scardina, represented by attorneys Paula Greisen and John McHugh, brought civil suit against Phillips in federal district court on the perceived discrimination. Greisen stated they felt the state did not represent Scardina's case well, thus taking action directly"
I wonder what did Jesus say about gender identity?
Ya got stuffed....deal. This is devine
Pretty desperate to spin this as a win. Denying gays equal services will still result in lawsuits where the bigots lose.
So, this is good news. But I wonder how many people cheering for it have consistent principles? And how many are hypocrites? F'rinstance - how many of you respect Facebook's right to refuse to serve people who they think are 'sinners'?
There are apparently no "GAY" bakers anywhere in that area!No, they punted. Do you even know what the Masterpiece ruling was?
SCOTUS gave Oregon a hint...like they did Colorado. You got stuffed...deal with it.
Thus, the Court said, we don't need to look at the validity of the general law (at least not today). We can look more specifically at the Colorado adjudication to end the case. The Court did not, then, consider the strength of the First Amendment versus LGBT rights. It merely sent the case back to Colorado to adjudicate it fairly. That leaves room for Colorado to make the same ruling against the cake shop, but this time the CO Commission will have to be careful that it does not disrespect Phillips' religious arguments.Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (Decided June 4, 2018)
All anti discrimination laws protecting gays remain firmly in place...deal with it.
"Masterpiece Cakeshop became involved in a similar case in 2018, stemming from an incident in June 2017. The bakery refused to bake Autumn Scardina, a Colorado lawyer, a cake to celebrate her gender transition, which would have had a pink interior and blue exterior. Philips stated later that he refused to bake such a cake based on his Christian beliefs that one does not get to choose their gender."
Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission - Wikipedia
"In March 2019 the suit and countersuit between Phillips and the state were dropped, with the state believing that while the core issue on the intersection of discrimination against sexual orientation or gender identity and religious beliefs of service business remain in question, the specific case around Scardina was not the proper vehicle to answer those questions. The agreement allowed Scardina, should she want, to pursue her own civil action against Masterpiece.[50] In June 2019, Scardina, represented by attorneys Paula Greisen and John McHugh, brought civil suit against Phillips in federal district court on the perceived discrimination. Greisen stated they felt the state did not represent Scardina's case well, thus taking action directly"
I wonder what did Jesus say about gender identity?
Ya got stuffed....deal. This is devine
Pretty desperate to spin this as a win. Denying gays equal services will still result in lawsuits where the bigots lose.
These cases are not cases of denying gays equal service, it's refusing to engage in an activity that contradicts their religious beliefs. It's the difference between
"I refuse to serve you because you're gay."
and
"I refuse to perform this particular service for you because I feel it would make me complicit in your sin."
