Admiral Rockwell Tory
Diamond Member
When are one of you going to mention that alot of low performing schools have alot of kids with so much baggage they struggle to just to get by and their homelives are a wreck. Add to that they see zero value in education. Then you want them to score high on tests they will not prepare for because they dont put in any effort. So you blame the teacher for this. Until YOU fix the broken family nothing is going to change. Did you ever consider many kids dont want to learn and they know darn well nobody can force them too. How are you going to fix this? Ok send them to private schools. Then watch those test score averages. Then watch those private school parents go wild wanting troublesome students removed. Whats the fix?
Where do you see me blaming teachers for this?
Again... my problem with teachers and teachers unions is that they defend the system that isn't working, and their typical default answer is "more money". That's my problem with teachers and teachers unions.
If you read my previous post, my mother had an issue with a child exactly like you described, and that child made her life a living hell. There was nothing she could do for such a student. Nothing. And not only was the student making her life miserable, but the kid was making it hard for other kids to learn anything, because my mother was dealing with her out of control behavior.
The solution was to have her removed. The city actually changed the district lines, and had the section 8 housing she was from, moved to Columbus public, so her and the other students like her, were sent to their schools instead of the school my mother taught at.
The key difference between that system and a private school, is that the problem can be dealt with quicker, and with less damage. But the idea you can somehow force kids to learn is crazy. You can't force kids to learn. The only thing you can do, is banish them. For a private school, that means expulsion. For a public school, it means sending them to the office every single day, and eventually redrawing the district lines. Which of course only works one you have a few students from a specific problem area.
The private school system is better, because the only one affected is the person refusing to learn. In the public system, you send everyone from an particular area to another school district, when it is likely some kids from there were actually really good kids doing their best, but because the school doesn't want to get sued by bad parents, they can't just expel the bad kids.
The problem here is that left-wingers do not want a solution that has the most good for the most people. Instead they want the magic "everyone succeeds" solution. But there is no such solution.
In Finland, problem students are sent to a special school for losers. That of course is my non-politically correct title, but it is a school for children who can't, or who refuse to keep up with their peers, or have 'behavior problems' (aka losers). They are separated from quality students.
Why? Because problem students are like infections. If you don't cut the infection out, it spreads. The only way to have "No child left behind" is to lower the standards so no kids have to learn.
And FYI..... I lived this first hand.
Tell the truth. When was the last time you sat through an entire class period in a public school.