Proof Republicans don't hate Education

[Hoosier4Liberty]

I am so sick of liberals bashing red states on education and claiming that conservatives don't care about kids doing well in school. On the contrary, Republicans have been the ones consistently fighting for more school choice and parental involvement.



And even though liberals keep ranting that Republicans are "dumb, ignorant Bible-beaters" or stuff of this like, the fact is that GOP gubernatorial candidates have educational plans that far surpass those of their Democrat opponents. Asa Hutchinson, for instance, supports requiring computer science in high school, a move that would actually teach students something valuable rather than how white people are evil. I've never heard Democrats have such a strong proposal on education before. A friend of computer science is a friend of me, and Asa Hutchinson would be a great education governor for Arkansas.

 

[jillian]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

 

[Hoosier4Liberty]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

 

[oldfart]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

No, she politely said you sound like a paid flak. She is correct. Come back some day when you want to talk about issues, not just "my party good, you party evil". There is the Politics forum for that.

 

[jillian]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

who says the system has no accountability?

I don't want tax money funding parochial schools. that isn't complicated.

but then again, why should the state fund religious institutions? (hint: it can't and shouldn't)

so let's get this straight? you think that public schools should be bankrupted to enrich religious schools?

 

[Stephanie]

If anyone believed that stupid line that Republican didn't like education

they might want to educate themselves in free thinking and not just swallow everything some idiot says from the Democrat party

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Jillian:

After seeing public school districts abused to seize land from the community, tear down national historic property, shut down an entire school community because of mismanagement and LACK of accountability, and now shutting down another school against the petitions of the community to keep it operating for the children,

I can tell you there is NOT accountability and representation.

The public schools being set up as "pseudo nonprofits" run as a bureaucracy
with power of govt but WITHOUT Constitutional checks, balances, due process
and "equal protections and representation" of the people they are supposed to serve

are TOO EASILY ABUSED.

So if you don't believe your tax dollars should go toward private or religious schools,
at least let people choose where to invest their OWN tax dollars and not have to fund YOUR idea of a private monopoly that "imposes policies on followers" without check either!

As the public schools kept taking over land and destroying poor communities,
I had to keep telling people to raise money to buy the land and school FROM the city
and quit fighting a losing battle. If they own the land themselves, they can set up a school that TEACHES people to manage their own land, property, schools and district as sustainable skills in development, management and govt.

You can't TEACH people independence if you keep controlling them under a topdown bureaucracy that makes all the decisions for them and puts them second or last,
if they are included at all in decision making.

After watching 3 schools crash with corruption the taxpayers paid for,
you would think these communities would learn their lessons.

What are we really teaching people?

http://www.houstonprogressive.org/mathpoem.html

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

who says the system has no accountability?

I don't want tax money funding parochial schools. that isn't complicated.

but then again, why should the state fund religious institutions? (hint: it can't and shouldn't)

so let's get this straight? you think that public schools should be bankrupted to enrich religious schools?

No, the public schools are already bankrupt.
The point is to set up programs that sustainable, not run on unchecked funding
so there is too much waste and abuse.

 

[Old Rocks]

If anyone believed that stupid line that Republican didn't like education

they might want to educate themselves in free thinking and not just swallow everything some idiot says from the Democrat party

Unfortunately, it is the GOP that continues to push for Creationism being taught in science classes. And it is the GOP that states that all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies, and all the major Universities that state that AGW is real and a clear and present danger, are in on an international conspiracy to begger us all. It is the GOP that denigrates the scientists that publish in peer reviewed journals, and actually files frivolous charges against them.

Yes, it is the GOP that is anti-science.

 

[DGS49]

...but that's beside the point.

No rational, cogent American believes that Republicans are against education.

Republicans are outraged at what public education in the U.S. has become. It has been hijacked by jackbooted unions and professional bureaucrats who are more concerned with sucking infinite amounts of money from the taxpayers, supporting politicians who feel the same way, and conducting social experiments with the nation's children.

Collectively, they have coopted the curricula to incorporate "sex education" to the point where it is a major distraction, and various sorts of socialist/progressive propaganda. They thwart every attempt to segregate students who want to, and are able to, do good work from those who simply want to disrupt and socialize, thus ruining the experience of millions of American would-be scholars. This is especially true in inner cities, where strong unions dominate the entire institution, preventing any meaningful improvements.

Republicans favor charter schools, by which students with special needs or interests can VOLUNTARILY study in a different environment, while obtaining ALMOST AS MUCH FUNDING as the conventional schools. But of course Charter Schools are "kryptonite" to teacher's unions and democrat politicians because they threaten the vile monopoly that prevails.

It is the same story over an dover again. Republicans oppose ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and Democrats wail that Republicans oppose immigration. Total bullshit. Republicans oppose Unions dominating the public education systems, and Democrats claim that they are anti-education.

And on and on. Democrat bullshit. We are drowning in it.

 

[DGS49]

Old Rocks, please name a prominent nationally-known Republican who has publicly promoted the teaching of Creationism.

And as for all these "Scientific Societies, all the National Academies, and all the major Universities," would they be the same ones who not so long ago were predicting the coming Ice Age? Just wonderin.

 

[regent]

I don't think conservatives hate education, but I do believe conservatives hate education for the common everyday students. For their own children a good education is needed but not for all. If conservatives believed a good education was needed for all young people they would fight to have all school districts in the country spend the same amount, no more no less, on each student.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

who says the system has no accountability?

I don't want tax money funding parochial schools. that isn't complicated.

but then again, why should the state fund religious institutions? (hint: it can't and shouldn't)

so let's get this straight? you think that public schools should be bankrupted to enrich religious schools?

Provide some examples where the school system was held accountable. How many superintendents, teachers etc....were held accountable for failing test scores?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

You mean the failing public school system? Yeah, we wouldn't want anybody leaving there. They might actually learn something, grow up to support themselves, and not need politicians and bureaucrats to take care of them.

 

[jillian]

I am so sick of liberals bashing red states on education and claiming that conservatives don't care about kids doing well in school. On the contrary, Republicans have been the ones consistently fighting for more school choice and parental involvement.

right.... you're not opposed to education, just to education for people who aren't wealthy or at least not when it's secular.

if schools taught creationism the right would love education.

of course, the kids wouldn't know anything.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Who says the system has no accountability?

The fact that it's in shambles all across the country is a good indication. Your very own NYC public school system is one of the worst in the nation despite being one the most costly.

I don't want tax money funding parochial schools. that isn't complicated.

Not every private school is parochial.

so let's get this straight? you think that public schools should be bankrupted to enrich religious schools?

Money is not the reason for the failure of the public school system. There is no correlation whatsoever between increased public school funding and an increase in educational results. In fact, the most expensive school districts in this country are some of the worst performing. Funding for public education has tripled over the past 40 years and the results have gotten worse.

 

[jillian]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

You mean the failing public school system? Yeah, we wouldn't want anybody leaving there. They might actually learn something, grow up to support themselves, and not need politicians and bureaucrats to take care of them.

what failing education system is that?

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=9521794

 

[Darkwind]

I don't think conservatives hate education, but I do believe conservatives hate education for the common everyday students. For their own children a good education is needed but not for all. If conservatives believed a good education was needed for all young people they would fight to have all school districts in the country spend the same amount, no more no less, on each student.

Your belief is incorrect. Your statement about conservatives not wanting a good education for all cannot be backed up by anything.

Name Me one person who has said they want school choice JUST FOR republican or conservative children?

IF they think that school choice is best for their children, they obviously believe it is best for ALL children.

This defense of public schools that are failing is the real tragedy.

 

[jc456]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

How so?

 

[jc456]

school choice does nothing but take money out of the public school system and hand it over to parochial schools.

no thanks.

nice tantrum, though.

So you're saying that a system with no accountability, in which government-run schools are handed money better than performance beats one in which there are private-sector alternatives that promote competition? I don't buy it.

It has nothing to do with the children. It is a loss of jobs and funding for the unions. Remember them? Less children in a public school means loss of teachers because the headcount is down.
The public schools get funding based on head count. So, the fewer students means a loss of funding per the head count lost. Not because it does anything else. No student no need to fund. Seems fairly simple in most intelligent minded folk. No stundent, no teacher as well, and oh no, can't have that. Makes me laugh!

 

[regent]

I don't think conservatives hate education, but I do believe conservatives hate education for the common everyday students. For their own children a good education is needed but not for all. If conservatives believed a good education was needed for all young people they would fight to have all school districts in the country spend the same amount, no more no less, on each student.

Your belief is incorrect. Your statement about conservatives not wanting a good education for all cannot be backed up by anything.

Name Me one person who has said they want school choice JUST FOR republican or conservative children?

IF they think that school choice is best for their children, they obviously believe it is best for ALL children.

This defense of public schools that are failing is the real tragedy.

School Choice implies that some schools might be better than others, but for many families school choice is not in the cards. Transportation alone rules out school-choice for many. School choice is good for affluent neighborhoods that has a superior school that might be good for my kids, but would the school be superior and a choice if it let in "those klds"?
Let's no kid ourselves.