Why Not Feel Sorry for BP?

[SpidermanTuba]

It should be obvious that BP is by far the leading victim

The above quote, from the OP article, is proof positive that every now and then, a baby that would ordinarily die shortly after childbirth from severe brain defects, though some freak miracle, survives, and grows up to be a blogger.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It should be obvious that BP is by far the leading victim

The above quote, from the OP article, is proof positive that every now and then, a baby that would ordinarily die shortly after childbirth from severe brain defects, though some freak miracle, survives, and grows up to be a blogger.

If I were as rude as you I'd say sometimes they grow up to be posters on message boards, but like I said, that'd be rude.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

It should be obvious that BP is by far the leading victim, but I've yet to see a single expression of sadness for the company and its losses

That's because corporations do not have feelings, so there is no need to offer them our sympathies.

Fucking MORONS

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It should be obvious that BP is by far the leading victim, but I've yet to see a single expression of sadness for the company and its losses

That's because corporations do not have feelings, so there is no need to offer them our sympathies.

Fucking MORONS

Yes, Rockwell clearly meant that we should send "Get well soon" cards to the entity known as BP.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

It should be obvious that BP is by far the leading victim, but I've yet to see a single expression of sadness for the company and its losses

That's because corporations do not have feelings, so there is no need to offer them our sympathies.

Fucking MORONS

Yes, Rockwell clearly meant that we should send "Get well soon" cards to the entity known as BP.

Maybe you can better explain then, what he meant, by

...expression of sadness for the company...

If not send them a get well card, what should I do? I wouldn't want to hurt a corporations feelings, after all, they've got more rights than I do.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

That's because corporations do not have feelings, so there is no need to offer them our sympathies.

Fucking MORONS

Yes, Rockwell clearly meant that we should send "Get well soon" cards to the entity known as BP.

Maybe you can better explain then, what he meant, by

...expression of sadness for the company...

If not send them a get well card, what should I do? I wouldn't want to hurt a corporations feelings, after all, they've got more rights than I do.

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events. They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy so why should we act like they're evil and intentionally wanted to do this for whatever reason?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events.

Who fucking cares if they're not laughing about it? If I get hammered on booze and take off driving in a car and kill someone, you won't find me laughing about it - does that mean you should feel sorry for me? I suppose if I was a corporation YOU WOULD.

They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy...

You're full of absolute crap. BP will be around long after all the fishing businesses they destroy close up shop, not to mention that this tragedy is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

 

[Care4all]

Yes, Rockwell clearly meant that we should send "Get well soon" cards to the entity known as BP.

Maybe you can better explain then, what he meant, by

...expression of sadness for the company...

If not send them a get well card, what should I do? I wouldn't want to hurt a corporations feelings, after all, they've got more rights than I do.

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events. They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy so why should we act like they're evil and intentionally wanted to do this for whatever reason?

of course they are not in their boardrooms secretly laughing, but more than likely, they were in their boardroom at a previous time deciding whether to spend the money to take extra precautions on this venture, or to save the money, because it could make them more profitable IF nothing goes wrong.

In other words....THIS is what capitalism is ALL ABOUT and this is one of the safety meassures of the FREE MARKET.

If the company makes a mistake or takes risks that can hurt others in order for them to be profitable, THEN THEY MUST BE OPEN to criticism and negative pr if they SCREW UP....

THIS IS NOT just for BP to not REPEAT their shortcuts or mistakes for that extra dime in profit, but this is also so that other companies such as them, like Exxon etc, will NOT ALSO take the same shortcuts or profit saving measures, risking the lives of an entire region, let alone the lives of their workers, for that extra dime in their own pockets.

PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND LAW SUITS are suppose to keep "the free market" on the up and up....honest, and considerate of their workers and the community they reside in, instead of solely looking at the bottom line penny....

THIS BASHING of BP is what is necessary to scare the crap out of the next guy, so that he does not take or make decisions that can hurt the community they reside in.

 

[Bfgrn]

So we have free markets, but free markets are a dream world?

And the "Reagan Revolution" was not a "revolution" for free markets.

Really? Then explain the Reagan revolution to me Kevin?

Well what did he really change, honestly? He talked a good game, but if we only go by what politicians say then we're being a little foolish.

What did he change? What we've witnessed via the Reagan revolution is an ideology that private entities, markets, corporations and industries can regulate and police themselves. That government of the people, by the people, and for the people that our founding fathers created is no longer a valid model, it's just in the way, an obstruction. The FACT our founding fathers regulated corporations and banks with a VERY heavy hand is no longer 'wisdom' because somehow human nature has 'evolved'. The modern day robber barons just need to be coddled. Empower the aristocracy monied class and leave them to their own devices, and this beloved oligarchy will make so much money that it will just fall out of their pockets and trickle down to the rest of us. It is simple minded drivel.

Reagan was the biggest socialist in our history. He sanctioned and authored the largest transfer of wealth we've ever seen, from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. He sharply reduced the income tax for the wealthiest Americans and corporations and created the perversity where the wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes faced a 33 percent rate. And even worse, he raised payroll taxes, then looted Social Security and used it to fund his deficits and protect the wealthy from any tax increases. It undermined the retirement system.

But the biggest 'hit' was directly to the solar plexus of the true engine of jobs, innovation and American enterprise; small business and the self employed. The self-employment tax under Reagan jumped as much as 66 percent.

Reaganomics and the trickle down theory was do-over for the robber barons. They were just misunderstood humanitarians. The Hoover Republicans also got a do-over...with strikingly similar results!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events.

Who fucking cares if they're not laughing about it? If I get hammered on booze and take off driving in a car and kill someone, you won't find me laughing about it - does that mean you should feel sorry for me? I suppose if I was a corporation YOU WOULD.

They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy...

You're full of absolute crap. BP will be around long after all the fishing businesses they destroy close up shop, not to mention that this tragedy is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

Why wouldn't we feel sorry for you? You've essentially ruined your life. That doesn't mean we excuse what you did, or BP in this case. Nobody is saying this isn't their responsibility. They made a mistake and they're going to suffer for it, but that doesn't mean we have to see them as evil.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Maybe you can better explain then, what he meant, by

If not send them a get well card, what should I do? I wouldn't want to hurt a corporations feelings, after all, they've got more rights than I do.

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events. They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy so why should we act like they're evil and intentionally wanted to do this for whatever reason?

of course they are not in their boardrooms secretly laughing, but more than likely, they were in their boardroom at a previous time deciding whether to spend the money to take extra precautions on this venture, or to save the money, because it could make them more profitable IF nothing goes wrong.

In other words....THIS is what capitalism is ALL ABOUT and this is one of the safety meassures of the FREE MARKET.

If the company makes a mistake or takes risks that can hurt others in order for them to be profitable, THEN THEY MUST BE OPEN to criticism and negative pr if they SCREW UP....

THIS IS NOT just for BP to not REPEAT their shortcuts or mistakes for that extra dime in profit, but this is also so that other companies such as them, like Exxon etc, will NOT ALSO take the same shortcuts or profit saving measures, risking the lives of an entire region, let alone the lives of their workers, for that extra dime in their own pockets.

PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND LAW SUITS are suppose to keep "the free market" on the up and up....honest, and considerate of their workers and the community they reside in, instead of solely looking at the bottom line penny....

THIS BASHING of BP is what is necessary to scare the crap out of the next guy, so that he does not take or make decisions that can hurt the community they reside in.

Criticism and acting like BP is nothing but pure evil for this accident are two different things.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Really? Then explain the Reagan revolution to me Kevin?

Well what did he really change, honestly? He talked a good game, but if we only go by what politicians say then we're being a little foolish.

What did he change? What we've witnessed via the Reagan revolution is an ideology that private entities, markets, corporations and industries can regulate and police themselves. That government of the people, by the people, and for the people that our founding fathers created is no longer a valid model, it's just in the way, an obstruction. The FACT our founding fathers regulated corporations and banks with a VERY heavy hand is no longer 'wisdom' because somehow human nature has 'evolved'. The modern day robber barons just need to be coddled. Empower the aristocracy monied class and leave them to their own devices, and this beloved oligarchy will make so much money that it will just fall out of their pockets and trickle down to the rest of us. It is simple minded drivel.

Reagan was the biggest socialist in our history. He sanctioned and authored the largest transfer of wealth we've ever seen, from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. He sharply reduced the income tax for the wealthiest Americans and corporations and created the perversity where the wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes faced a 33 percent rate. And even worse, he raised payroll taxes, then looted Social Security and used it to fund his deficits and protect the wealthy from any tax increases. It undermined the retirement system.

But the biggest 'hit' was directly to the solar plexus of the true engine of jobs, innovation and American enterprise; small business and the self employed. The self-employment tax under Reagan jumped as much as 66 percent.

Reaganomics and the trickle down theory was do-over for the robber barons. They were just misunderstood humanitarians. The Hoover Republicans also got a do-over...with strikingly similar results!

So it's your contention that Reagan got rid of all federal regulations on businesses, lowered taxes and spending to balance the budget, and gave the country sound money during his Presidency? Because that would be a free market. The reality is that regulations were still there, Reagan raised taxes and spending, and the country still suffered under a ponzi scheme of a monetary system. Which are not hallmarks of a free market.

 

[editec]

The invisible hand of the market gently nudged BP into not making the oil rig as safe as possible.

You just gotta love that invisible hand, doncha?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The invisible hand of the market gently nudged BP into not making the oil rig as safe as possible.

You just gotta love that invisible hand, doncha?

Because this scenario is keeping their costs down far more than the alternative, right?

 

[Care4all]

He meant that maybe instead of condemning BP for this accident and asking for their heads, we should realize that they're not in their board rooms secretly laughing about this turn of events. They're going to get hit harder than anybody else for this tragedy so why should we act like they're evil and intentionally wanted to do this for whatever reason?

of course they are not in their boardrooms secretly laughing, but more than likely, they were in their boardroom at a previous time deciding whether to spend the money to take extra precautions on this venture, or to save the money, because it could make them more profitable IF nothing goes wrong.

In other words....THIS is what capitalism is ALL ABOUT and this is one of the safety meassures of the FREE MARKET.

If the company makes a mistake or takes risks that can hurt others in order for them to be profitable, THEN THEY MUST BE OPEN to criticism and negative pr if they SCREW UP....

THIS IS NOT just for BP to not REPEAT their shortcuts or mistakes for that extra dime in profit, but this is also so that other companies such as them, like Exxon etc, will NOT ALSO take the same shortcuts or profit saving measures, risking the lives of an entire region, let alone the lives of their workers, for that extra dime in their own pockets.

PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND LAW SUITS are suppose to keep "the free market" on the up and up....honest, and considerate of their workers and the community they reside in, instead of solely looking at the bottom line penny....

THIS BASHING of BP is what is necessary to scare the crap out of the next guy, so that he does not take or make decisions that can hurt the community they reside in.

Criticism and acting like BP is nothing but pure evil for this accident are two different things.

who is acting like bp is pure evil and not just criticising them for their actions?

either way, making them out as evil is free speech, it is the poster's opinion....no? And you criticizing their opinion, is your opinion, and so on and so forth.

And I disagree that bp is getting some sort of unfair bashing for this disaster...frankly, I am SHOCKED that the criticism hasn't been greater than what it has been, for such a horrific disaster, that could probably have been prevented, for very little expense comparitively, to what would have been made when the oil was brought up.

 

[Samson]

PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND LAW SUITS are suppose to keep "the free market" on the up and up....honest, and considerate of their workers and the community they reside in, instead of solely looking at the bottom line penny....

Then why have the DOI?

I mean other than an excuse for Washington to pick our pockets.

THIS BASHING of BP is what is necessary to scare the crap out of the next guy, so that he does not take or make decisions that can hurt the community they reside in.

The "BASHING of BP" is what is necessary to deflect attention away from an ineffectual Administration that promised "change" but hasn't accomplished anything in almost 2 years: Unless we Count Apologizing, for the USA's "Superpower Status," or whining about citizens that have too much money.

Who "scares the crap" out of Government Bureaucracy with its thumbs up their asses?

 

[Care4all]

I disagree...the criticism of BP will lead to the uncovering of all that went wrong, including regulations or the lack of regulating properly....

There is no way BP will take this hit completely if they are not the ones solely at fault, and there is no way that a catastrophe of this size will not bring forward the deficiencies that took place, and hopefully measures to prevent them in the future....imo.

 

[Samson]

I disagree...the criticism of BP will lead to the uncovering of all that went wrong, including regulations or the lack of regulating properly....

There is no way BP will take this hit completely if they are not the ones solely at fault, and there is no way that a catastrophe of this size will not bring forward the deficiencies that took place, and hopefull measures to prevent them in the future....imo.

Really?

Well, so far I've seen no apology from the administration for DOI.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

of course they are not in their boardrooms secretly laughing, but more than likely, they were in their boardroom at a previous time deciding whether to spend the money to take extra precautions on this venture, or to save the money, because it could make them more profitable IF nothing goes wrong.

In other words....THIS is what capitalism is ALL ABOUT and this is one of the safety meassures of the FREE MARKET.

If the company makes a mistake or takes risks that can hurt others in order for them to be profitable, THEN THEY MUST BE OPEN to criticism and negative pr if they SCREW UP....

THIS IS NOT just for BP to not REPEAT their shortcuts or mistakes for that extra dime in profit, but this is also so that other companies such as them, like Exxon etc, will NOT ALSO take the same shortcuts or profit saving measures, risking the lives of an entire region, let alone the lives of their workers, for that extra dime in their own pockets.

PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND LAW SUITS are suppose to keep "the free market" on the up and up....honest, and considerate of their workers and the community they reside in, instead of solely looking at the bottom line penny....

THIS BASHING of BP is what is necessary to scare the crap out of the next guy, so that he does not take or make decisions that can hurt the community they reside in.

Criticism and acting like BP is nothing but pure evil for this accident are two different things.

who is acting like bp is pure evil and not just criticising them for their actions?

either way, making them out as evil is free speech, it is the poster's opinion....no? And you criticizing their opinion, is your opinion, and so on and so forth.

And I disagree that bp is getting some sort of unfair bashing for this disaster...frankly, I am SHOCKED that the criticism hasn't been greater than what it has been, for such a horrific disaster, that could probably have been prevented, for very little expense comparitively, to what would have been made when the oil was brought up.

From some of the responses in this very thread you'd think I posted up an article saying Charles Manson is just misunderstood.

Yes, it is their opinion, and I certainly have no authority to stop them from giving it. Neither do I feel that I was coming across as such. What I'm attempting to do is give reasons as to why their opinion is wrong, in my own opinion of course.

You don't think Robert Gibbs saying that they're going to keep their boot on BP's throat is unfair, and quite frankly a little ridiculous?

 

[California Girl]

I disagree...the criticism of BP will lead to the uncovering of all that went wrong, including regulations or the lack of regulating properly....

There is no way BP will take this hit completely if they are not the ones solely at fault, and there is no way that a catastrophe of this size will not bring forward the deficiencies that took place, and hopefully measures to prevent them in the future....imo.

As some of us have pointed out, the facts surrounding the accident are not yet fully known, so assigning the blame is a bit premature to say the least. However, certain posters, like Spiderman Tuba, scream like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum, about the evil corporation and decide that those of us who refuse to condemn BP somehow also support parents who beat their children.... because that's really logical, isn't it?

Now, the states affected by this catastrophe all wanted the money that would come from the drilling, the federal government wanted the drilling, American people want cheap gas, and the by products of petro-chem industry. So if blame is being apportioned, let's all take some responsibility. We ALL use the by-products of this industry and we refuse to cut back on our consumption - so look in a mirror and you'll find where the responsibility lies.

As to exactly what happened and why and how - the intelligent among us will wait for the facts to be ascertained.

If there was a fund set up to assist individuals affected by the catastrophe, I would probably donate. But I will not condemn a decent company before I know exactly who it is that is responsible.