Environmental Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL; 1m barrels on sea vs 700 barrels dry land

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But if Keystone is killed, the oil still will flow—and more of it might be transported by ship through dangerous waters.
Tankers carrying the oil would join the heavy marine traffic that already churns through America's Gulf of Alaska and close to the Aleutian Islands, areas with rough seas and abundant marine life. The Gulf of Alaska is where a Shell oil rig recently ran aground. After crossing that region, the tankers would then have to navigate some of the most dangerous waters in the North Pacific, including Unimak Pass, a harrowing 10-mile-wide passage in the Aleutian Islands that is an important habitat for sea lions, gray whales, tens of millions of seabirds, and other species.

Tankers at sea are more accident-prone than pipelines on dry land. And if a spill occurs at sea, it can be difficult to contain and is nearly impossible to clean up.

"People remember the Exxon Valdez and worry that sort of thing can happen again if these pipelines are built," Byers says. "Imagine oil-laden tankers passing through one of the richest fisheries in the United States. That will raise many concerns."

Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage. David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice. Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians. In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The "stupid environmentalists" don't seem to know that there is already a network of more than 185,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines.
Pipeline101 - Why-Do-We-Need-Pipelines
So adding 0.09% of pipeline is dangerous???
 
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This shit,,again?
Refute or shut up!

oil will travel by ship anyway

.. it HAS to in order to leave Houston Tx ..

REFUTE THAT DUMBASS!

dangerous waters ... RW's are drama queens.

refute refute refute BOI

Keystone XL is an export pipeline. According to presentations to investors, Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks
 
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But if Keystone is killed, the oil still will flow—and more of it might be transported by ship through dangerous waters.
Tankers carrying the oil would join the heavy marine traffic that already churns through America's Gulf of Alaska and close to the Aleutian Islands, areas with rough seas and abundant marine life. The Gulf of Alaska is where a Shell oil rig recently ran aground. After crossing that region, the tankers would then have to navigate some of the most dangerous waters in the North Pacific, including Unimak Pass, a harrowing 10-mile-wide passage in the Aleutian Islands that is an important habitat for sea lions, gray whales, tens of millions of seabirds, and other species.

Tankers at sea are more accident-prone than pipelines on dry land. And if a spill occurs at sea, it can be difficult to contain and is nearly impossible to clean up.

"People remember the Exxon Valdez and worry that sort of thing can happen again if these pipelines are built," Byers says. "Imagine oil-laden tankers passing through one of the richest fisheries in the United States. That will raise many concerns."

Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage. David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice. Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians. In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The "stupid environmentalists" don't seem to know that there is already a network of more than 185,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines.
Pipeline101 - Why-Do-We-Need-Pipelines
So adding 0.09% of pipeline is dangerous???

The Obama era is going to be known as the happy time of American oil pumping.

Is this pipeline to be privately funded?
 
But if Keystone is killed, the oil still will flow—and more of it might be transported by ship through dangerous waters.
Tankers carrying the oil would join the heavy marine traffic that already churns through America's Gulf of Alaska and close to the Aleutian Islands, areas with rough seas and abundant marine life. The Gulf of Alaska is where a Shell oil rig recently ran aground. After crossing that region, the tankers would then have to navigate some of the most dangerous waters in the North Pacific, including Unimak Pass, a harrowing 10-mile-wide passage in the Aleutian Islands that is an important habitat for sea lions, gray whales, tens of millions of seabirds, and other species.

Tankers at sea are more accident-prone than pipelines on dry land. And if a spill occurs at sea, it can be difficult to contain and is nearly impossible to clean up.

"People remember the Exxon Valdez and worry that sort of thing can happen again if these pipelines are built," Byers says. "Imagine oil-laden tankers passing through one of the richest fisheries in the United States. That will raise many concerns."

Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage. David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice. Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians. In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The "stupid environmentalists" don't seem to know that there is already a network of more than 185,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines.
Pipeline101 - Why-Do-We-Need-Pipelines
So adding 0.09% of pipeline is dangerous???

The Obama era is going to be known as the happy time of American oil pumping.

Is this pipeline to be privately funded?


yup.
 
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Let's provide as many incentives as possible for the market to find viable, renewable, affordable alternatives to oil.

Until then, and while we're working on it, there are no other choices, we need oil.

Let's put our energy there instead of fighting about things over which we have little control.

I dunno, this seems pretty obvious to me.

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Let's provide as many incentives as possible for the market to find viable, renewable, affordable alternatives to oil.

Until then, and while we're working on it, there are no other choices, we need oil.

Let's put our energy there instead of fighting about things over which we have little control.

I dunno, this seems pretty obvious to me.

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agreed .. Keystone is an export pipeline.. we get the shaft Canada gets the gold .. as long as everyone promotes fossil fuel, other energy sources are doomed to fail ... big oil will see to that. Our politicians work cheap.
 
Why in the world would we ever support construction of a pipeline to enable Canadian companies to sell their crude on the export market?

This is another example of how corporate messaging firms control the evangelical ideological voters of the Republican Party.

When the pipeline is constructed, U.S. fuel prices will increase as the crude that was once available on our domestic markets is exported. It is inevitable.

"Americans vote for what they want, and then they get it good and hard."
 
Why in the world would we ever support construction of a pipeline to enable Canadian companies to sell their crude on the export market?

This is another example of how corporate messaging firms control the evangelical ideological voters of the Republican Party.

When the pipeline is constructed, U.S. fuel prices will increase as the crude that was once available on our domestic markets is exported. It is inevitable.

"Americans vote for what they want, and then they get it good and hard."

"we" don't ... idiots DO ... apparently RW's are bad businessmen.
 
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But if Keystone is killed, the oil still will flow—and more of it might be transported by ship through dangerous waters.
Tankers carrying the oil would join the heavy marine traffic that already churns through America's Gulf of Alaska and close to the Aleutian Islands, areas with rough seas and abundant marine life. The Gulf of Alaska is where a Shell oil rig recently ran aground. After crossing that region, the tankers would then have to navigate some of the most dangerous waters in the North Pacific, including Unimak Pass, a harrowing 10-mile-wide passage in the Aleutian Islands that is an important habitat for sea lions, gray whales, tens of millions of seabirds, and other species.

Tankers at sea are more accident-prone than pipelines on dry land. And if a spill occurs at sea, it can be difficult to contain and is nearly impossible to clean up.

"People remember the Exxon Valdez and worry that sort of thing can happen again if these pipelines are built," Byers says. "Imagine oil-laden tankers passing through one of the richest fisheries in the United States. That will raise many concerns."

Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage. David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice. Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians. In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The "stupid environmentalists" don't seem to know that there is already a network of more than 185,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines.
Pipeline101 - Why-Do-We-Need-Pipelines
So adding 0.09% of pipeline is dangerous???

The Obama era is going to be known as the happy time of American oil pumping.

Is this pipeline to be privately funded?


yup.

Cool.

No tricky tax discounts or anything?

They'll have to buy the land to run it across on the open market?
 
So the oil either goes from the West Coast to China, or through the Gulf of Mexico, to the Panama Canal, and then to China,

and somehow the latter is measurably safer?

lol
 
Why in the world would we ever support construction of a pipeline to enable Canadian companies to sell their crude on the export market?

This is another example of how corporate messaging firms control the evangelical ideological voters of the Republican Party.

When the pipeline is constructed, U.S. fuel prices will increase as the crude that was once available on our domestic markets is exported. It is inevitable.

"Americans vote for what they want, and then they get it good and hard."

I believe the tar slurry will be sold to refineries on the Gulf Coast. Since the refineries are running at near 90% capacity it will likely mean a switch from Venezuelan heavy crude. Then the refined product will continue to be exported.

U.S. Refinery Utilization and Capacity

http://www.southportland.org/files/3713/9387/3165/Heavy_Oil_and_Tar_Sands.pdf
 
Oh good grief. I just can't believe the ignorance in this thread over the Keystone. Sheesh after all this time aren't you regular boarders up to speed on this shit?

You have Keystone I You have Keystone II. Keystone III has been in the works for forever. Your own oil producing states will be using the pipeline to get their oil to the Gulf too.

Not just Canadian crude coming thru people!

North Dakota is desperate to ship via pipeline. This is why Senator Heidi Heitkamp a true Blue Dog Democrat has been fighting to get this passed.

I admire Heidi. She's been like a dog on a bone on this issue.
 
Can you guys finally realize that your producers need the pipeline as well?


Heitkamp says it’s time to vote on Keystone XL: Hoeven says vote on pipeline could come by Tuesday
By April Baumgarten on Nov 12, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

From the article:

"The bill would approve the TransCanada project. Keystone XL would travel approximately 1,200 miles from Hardisty, Alberta, to Steele City, Neb., and skirt North Dakota’s Bakken formation, allowing oil companies to ship approximately 830,000 barrels of oil per day -- including 100,000 barrels from the Oil Patch."

Heitkamp says it s time to vote on Keystone XL Hoeven says vote on pipeline could come by Tuesday The Dickinson Press
 
Why in the world would we ever support construction of a pipeline to enable Canadian companies to sell their crude on the export market?

This is another example of how corporate messaging firms control the evangelical ideological voters of the Republican Party.

When the pipeline is constructed, U.S. fuel prices will increase as the crude that was once available on our domestic markets is exported. It is inevitable.

"Americans vote for what they want, and then they get it good and hard."

Ok. You've been getting Canadian oil for eons now. Via rail. Via truck. Via pipeline.

Keystone I and Keystone II have been up and running for years now.

We are your number one fucking supplier for crying out loud. We supply America.

Don't you freaking get it?

What on earth do you mean you don't get Canadian oil and all we do is export our oil thru your outlets?

How the hell will your fuel price increase by the construction of a fucking pipeline?
 
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Let's provide as many incentives as possible for the market to find viable, renewable, affordable alternatives to oil.

Until then, and while we're working on it, there are no other choices, we need oil.

Let's put our energy there instead of fighting about things over which we have little control.

I dunno, this seems pretty obvious to me.

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agreed .. Keystone is an export pipeline.. we get the shaft Canada gets the gold .. as long as everyone promotes fossil fuel, other energy sources are doomed to fail ... big oil will see to that. Our politicians work cheap.

Fuck off with your bullshit. North Dakota oil producers as well as others will be using the pipeline.

And the whole bullshit too that Canadian crude will not be refined and ever see an American's gas tank is insane.

We are your number one supplier. Where the hell do you think all that shit ends up?
 

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