Why is same-sex marriage "wrong"

[Buford]

There are Christian gays. Are you saying in your estimation, they should not be able to get married in a church, even if they find a church leader willing to perform said ceremony?

Marriage is a man and a woman, Jesus Christ said so. That means there is no such thing as a Christian gay marriage.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Separation of church and state.

Then remove the state from all marriage.

I'd loose my married filing jointly deduction!!



That's just not fair.

 

[alan1]

Remove CHURCH from all marriage.

I'm an atheist, but I recognize that marriage is a construct of the church, not the state.

 

[Katzndogz]

No it's not. They can have sex anytime. We're not talking fundamentalists who can't do the deed until they take their vows.

Ahhhhh! How wise of you.

So they don't really need to get married at all. There is no particular liberty associated with marriage. They just want some mythological sense of equality and have their relationships given the same recognition and respect as traditional marriage. Except they don't have a good reason for it, other than to make themselves feel good. It's all about them feeling good about themselves. Same sex relationships are the foundation of nothing, build nothing and don't benefit society whatsoever. All they can do is reduce the general marital institution to one of depravity.

It's the same arguments that legalizing drugs and prostitution is best for the culture. All it does is make them feel better about what they are doiing. Reducing the age of consent for sex to 6 isn't to help children feel loved, it's to make pedophiles feel better about themselves. Getting divorced 6 times doesn't build families, it makes the serial polygamist feel less guilty. Change behavior and belief justifying the behavior will eventually follow.

It's all about depravity and degeracy. The more people degenerate the better and the more normal degenerates feel.

They want to get married because they are in love and it's the logical next step.

Many people in love cannot marry and some choose not to marry. The well being of the nation does not rest on "love". Some people love more than one person, some love children, some love animals, some love objects and not people at all. Some love brothers, sisters and parents. While I can certainly understand love and sympathize with the plight of lovers their love is not unrequited. They are free to love, just not impose their wishes on everyone else as if they were needs.

 

[BDBoop]

 

[Unkotare]

How one can term Dick "other priorities than military service" Cheney a patriot is my question. His profit off of Iraq alone is questionable.

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[Buford]

Very informative, except for one little detail. Christians do not live under Old Testament Law.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

See poll.

Holy matrimony is between a man and woman.

A civil union (a contract between Two adult people) is just that.

Both parties need to be of age and capable of understanding what's going on.

now for reality;

Liberals will never stop until they can force all churches to perform any kind of wedding.

We know this by looking at the history of anything they have supported.

Nonsense. This has nothing to do with ‘liberals,’ as it’s settled law. The 14th Amendment mandate of equal protection applies only to the public sector, not private religious organizations.

Then remove the state from all marriage.

This makes no sense, as states write the marriage laws.

 

[Two Thumbs]

See poll.

Holy matrimony is between a man and woman.

A civil union (a contract between Two adult people) is just that.

Both parties need to be of age and capable of understanding what's going on.

now for reality;

Liberals will never stop until they can force all churches to perform any kind of wedding.

We know this by looking at the history of anything they have supported.

Nonsense. This has nothing to do with ‘liberals,’ as it’s settled law. The 14th Amendment mandate of equal protection applies only to the public sector, not private religious organizations.

Is this you admitting that you won't stop until each and every church is forced to wed gays?

 

[BDBoop]

See poll.

Holy matrimony is between a man and woman.

A civil union (a contract between Two adult people) is just that.

Both parties need to be of age and capable of understanding what's going on.

now for reality;

Liberals will never stop until they can force all churches to perform any kind of wedding.

We know this by looking at the history of anything they have supported.

Nonsense. This has nothing to do with ‘liberals,’ as it’s settled law. The 14th Amendment mandate of equal protection applies only to the public sector, not private religious organizations.

Then remove the state from all marriage.

This makes no sense, as states write the marriage laws.

Thank you!

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. You can't take a law designed for one purpose and apply it to a minority cultural demand. That is unconstitutional. If you want to legalize same-sex marriage then do it, but don't twist and manipulate the US Constitution to do it. We're not gonna allow that.

The Constitution and its meaning exist only in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, the final and ultimate authority.

The US Supreme court is not the final authority. The people are, congress. Article III, section 2

Obviously, you missed the whole Checks and Balances thing in Civics.

 

[AquaAthena]

See poll.

I realize good people have thougtful reasons for thinking of same sex marriage as "wrong" but I don't see it as a matter of right or wrong. I see it only as a movement that is here, and will go forward in time. I accept it, for that reason. It will open another "can of worms" so to speak, and they too, will go through the legal processes and only time will judge those outcomes.

 

[JoeB131]

Foamy The Squirrel says it all..


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[Artevelde]

See poll.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman and as such is one of the foundations of human society. To try to turn it into something else because of a politically correct hysteria is stupid, short-sighted and wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

See poll.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman and as such is one of the foundations of human society. To try to turn it into something else because of a politically correct hysteria is stupid, short-sighted and wrong.

Except when it was the union of a man and 300 women, or when it was the union of a rapist and his rape victim after he paid her father 50 shekels.

Both of which where cases that happened in the bible.

Marriage has always been evolving. When women were considered nothing more than property, it was just a transfer of property. Men could get divorces, women couldn't. You could beat your wife as long as the rod wasn't thicker than your thumb (hense, the term "rule of thumb"). Even some of the 'traditions' of marriages are hold-overs to this more barbaric time. Veils on wedding dresses, but back in the day, marriages were arranged and you didn't see what you were getting until the day of the wedding. Carrying the bride across the threshold.

I'm sure at some point when someone said women should keep their own property and actually arrange their own marriages, someone said, "What, arranged marriage is the foundation of human society! What kind of politically correct hysteria is this!"

Oh, by the way, look up the origins of the word "Hysteria" is you want to see how deeply sexism was routed into the society.

 

[mudwhistle]

See poll.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman and as such is one of the foundations of human society. To try to turn it into something else because of a politically correct hysteria is stupid, short-sighted and wrong.

Except when it was the union of a man and 300 women, or when it was the union of a rapist and his rape victim after he paid her father 50 shekels.

Both of which where cases that happened in the bible.

Marriage has always been evolving. When women were considered nothing more than property, it was just a transfer of property. Men could get divorces, women couldn't. You could beat your wife as long as the rod wasn't thicker than your thumb (hense, the term "rule of thumb"). Even some of the 'traditions' of marriages are hold-overs to this more barbaric time. Veils on wedding dresses, but back in the day, marriages were arranged and you didn't see what you were getting until the day of the wedding. Carrying the bride across the threshold.

I'm sure at some point when someone said women should keep their own property and actually arrange their own marriages, someone said, "What, arranged marriage is the foundation of human society! What kind of politically correct hysteria is this!"

Oh, by the way, look up the origins of the word "Hysteria" is you want to see how deeply sexism was routed into the society.

Oh it happened in the Bible, but it doesn't mean that the Bible supports rape.

Jeezus you're a retard.

 

[rdean]

You need to add illegal acts are not a protected right. Then I can vote.

What is illegal?

 

[JoeB131]

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman and as such is one of the foundations of human society. To try to turn it into something else because of a politically correct hysteria is stupid, short-sighted and wrong.

Except when it was the union of a man and 300 women, or when it was the union of a rapist and his rape victim after he paid her father 50 shekels.

Both of which where cases that happened in the bible.

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Oh it happened in the Bible, but it doesn't mean that the Bible supports rape.

Jeezus you're a retard.

Do you know why I find arguing with Funditards and Christians so fucking hilarious.

Because most of you don't even read your own retarded book of Fairy Tales.

To wit-

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

In short, that was the LAW of Moses. If you despoiled the "property" with rape, you had to pay for it. It was kind of the "you break it, you buy it" rule.

And the Misogynistic fun doesn't stop there...

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -- Numbers 31:15-18

 

[mudwhistle]

You need to add illegal acts are not a protected right. Then I can vote.

What is illegal?

Marrying someone of the same sex.....or marrying a sibling, or marrying more than one person..........illegal stuff like that.

I keep saying we should remove this as a Demagog Party talking point. Gays deserve the same right to go through the pain, anguish, and unbelievable expense of being married and having to go through a nasty divorce as hetero couples.

 

[mudwhistle]

Except when it was the union of a man and 300 women, or when it was the union of a rapist and his rape victim after he paid her father 50 shekels.

Both of which where cases that happened in the bible.

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Oh it happened in the Bible, but it doesn't mean that the Bible supports rape.

Jeezus you're a retard.

Do you know why I find arguing with Funditards and Christians so fucking hilarious.

Because most of you don't even read your own retarded book of Fairy Tales.

To wit-

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

In short, that was the LAW of Moses. If you despoiled the "property" with rape, you had to pay for it. It was kind of the "you break it, you buy it" rule.

And the Misogynistic fun doesn't stop there...

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -- Numbers 31:15-18

Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ, to end the old ways and begin a new church. His sacrifice ends the old beliefs of the Jews and began a new religion. The Old Testament is joined to the teachings of Christ simply to give it a frame of reference, not to give examples on how exactly to worship and how to conduct your lives. You're making the same mistake that everyone else does that criticizes Christians.

Are you sure you read the New Testament???