Another Skeptic Gets it Totally Wrong on The Shroud of Turin

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    Holy Shroud or clever hoax? | Fox News


    The image on the Shroud is not red ochre, it is a discollored suger coating from the sugars left on the linen from the ancient manufacturing process of that time.

    Shroud of Turin for Journalists - Carbon Dating Mistakes Fact Check
    The blood stains are in fact blood stains, and not ochre:

    How the images were formed:
    The Shroud of Turin's Strange Coating of Saccharides Turned Brown


    Dating from the lignin in th e Shroud:
    Clues from Vanillin Showed Something Was Wrong in the Carbon 14 Dating

    How the Carbon14 dating was wrong:
    Other Clues Something Was Amiss in the Carbon 14 Dating

    It is amazing how journalists cant get the most basic facts straight then go around telling the world their mistakes as though they are established in fact.
     
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    Once again evidence that shows faulty assumptions lead to bad dating methods that can't be trusted.

    I wonder where ol Doc is. :lol:
     
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    Well in this case, the relic was being protected by taking all the peices from one small area, but that caused them all to have the same flaw since that was an area that was not an original part of the Shroud.

    Not so much bad science as a bad combo of science artificially restricted by unscientific considerations.
     
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    When did the Catholic church obtained the shroud?
     
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    The Huse of Savoy gave it to the Vatican, IIRC, in 1983.
     
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    When did the Huse of Savoy recieved it? I guess I should have asked that question first.

    I thought the Shroud belonged to the RCats before 1983.
     
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    The only thing this tells me is that the shroud is not a modern-day hoax. But we knew that already. It's an ancient hoax. If I remember right it was created back in the 1400s. It most defintely NOT 2000 years old.
     
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    What I find amazing is how well maintained the shroud is considering that there is no mention of how it was preserved between the death of hrist to the 14 centurary.

    Either the people that held it knew of its significance, or it is a hoax. Not much history to refer to pre-dedication of the shroud.
     
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    I am more concerned about the image of Jesus in a taco shell.
     
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    Why do people claim to see Jesus in such ordinary and mundane objects.

    Now if they saw Jesus in some remote mountains or Jesus riding on a horse(or donkey) in the clouds, now that something that should get reported and filmed.

    But in Tacos shells, toast, ink blots---why would Jesus bother with those things?
     

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