Why don't we ban alcoholic beverages instead of making it illegal to drive drunk?

WaitingFor2020 said:
Skull Pilot said:
WaitingFor2020 said:
Skull Pilot said:
ColonelAngus said:
Skull Pilot said:
So is it more guns or more gun owners that equals more crime because no matter how you slice it our crime rate is at a 30 year low and our murder rate is almost at a 120 year low
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These assholes never deal in facts. If there are FACTS that disprove their bullshit, they just IGNORE THE FACTS.

HERE ARE THE FACTS...stop fucking lying, PROGS.

SINCE 1993, gun ownership is UP 50%, and gun homicides are DOWN 50%.

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And the murder rate is at a 120 year low but none of that matters
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So you're saying this doesn't matter?


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Meaningless and it doesn't change the FACT that our murder rate is at a 120 year low
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We've said for a long time on this board that rightwing fucks like you think life is meaningless. Now you finally admit it.
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Your post was meaningless.

Tell how many of those shootings were committed by legal gun owners?
 
rightwinger said:
ScreamingEagle said:
ColonelAngus said:
Will the government will come save you? 4,000 deaths and 18,000 shootings on the South Side of Chicago during the Obama administration?

Rahm Emmanuel and Obama sure as fuck aren't going to come save your ass.
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Obama must have thought that so many gun deaths were just fine and dandy because Chicago has very strict gun laws.....

You can't account for stupid............or power-hungry
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Obama did not control Chicago...never did

He did try to implement tougher gun laws nationwide and was blocked by Republicans

So I guess we can blame Republicans
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Blame Republicans for what? Tougher gun laws won't stop one criminal from getting a gun.
 
rightwinger said:
ColonelAngus said:
Skull Pilot said:
LoneLaugher said:
Skull Pilot said:
LoneLaugher said:
More guns = more crime.
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Completely false.

Tell me why our murder rate is at a 120 year low when we have more guns now than we ever have.
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Fewer gun owners.
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So is it more guns or more gun owners that equals more crime because no matter how you slice it our crime rate is at a 30 year low and our murder rate is almost at a 120 year low
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These assholes never deal in facts. If there are FACTS that disprove their bullshit, they just IGNORE THE FACTS.

HERE ARE THE FACTS...stop fucking lying, PROGS.

SINCE 1993, gun ownership is UP 50%, and gun homicides are DOWN 50%.

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Those murders went down because of tougher gun laws
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What tougher gun laws do you speak of? Actually, with the adoption of CCW laws across the states, gun laws have become more liberal.
 
WaitingFor2020 said:
Now it's a $10,000 fine plus six months of compulsory education and goes down as a criminal offense on your record.
Similar changes need to be made for owning weapons that can kill or wound 500 people in 10 minutes.
It's just common sense, you stupid fucking asshole.
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Sounds reasonable. I'm sure that a $10,000 fine for owning the weapons he did would have stopped him from that mass murder.
 
Skull Pilot said:
It is a few. .005% of the population are murder victims annually an even smaller percentage commits those murders

Rifles are used in less than 2% of all murders and 1% of all murders are from mass shootings.

7 times more people were killed with knives than with rifles more than twice as many were killed with fists or feet.

Sorry but no matter how you slice it rifles are the least of our murder problems.
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How many people would have been killed by Paddock throwing knives from his 32nd floor window?
 
Dr Grump said:
Ray From Cleveland said:
Sounds reasonable. I'm sure that a $10,000 fine for owning the weapons he did would have stopped him from that mass murder.
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having no access to semi autos, or firearms capable of being converted to full auto, would have stopped him, too..
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No, he would have bought his arms from the black market, and what would that have solved?

In spite of this tragedy, let me remind you of the two most recent attacks that killed many more people and not one gun involved. That would be 911 and the Oklahoma City Bombing.

We made it illegal for people to have access to recreational narcotics. How did that work out for us given we have the most people locked up behind bars than any other civilized society? We also have immigration laws. Yet illegals drive cars with drivers licenses, have their children attend our schools, work with no fear of being deported. It's estimated that our great laws are responsible for over 12 million law breakers being in our country.

So if you actually think that we could stop criminals access to semi-automatic weapons if they really want to kill a lot of people, then think again.
 
Ray From Cleveland said:
No, he would have bought his arms from the black market, and what would that have solved?

In spite of this tragedy, let me remind you of the two most recent attacks that killed many more people and not one gun involved. That would be 911 and the Oklahoma City Bombing.

We made it illegal for people to have access to recreational narcotics. How did that work out for us given we have the most people locked up behind bars than any other civilized society? We also have immigration laws. Yet illegals drive cars with drivers licenses, have their children attend our schools, work with no fear of being deported. It's estimated that our great laws are responsible for over 12 million law breakers being in our country.

So if you actually think that we could stop criminals access to semi-automatic weapons if they really want to kill a lot of people, then think again.
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Not immediately, I agree. That is because your country is awash with firearms. But eventually, it would work. Maybe 10 years.

I won't address your immigration issue. That is a red herring to the debate.
 
bendog said:
hadit said:
bendog said:
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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There should be NO laws against selling booze to drunk people. It's an affront to our freedoms. And NO BANS on booze that will make you go blind. It's a free market world out there, and we have a RIGHT AGOD GIVEN RIGHT to do what we want!
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And we should have laws requiring daily exercise and an immediate ban on the sale of beef. Also a ban on motorcycles and the sale of parachutes. People must NOT be allowed to do stupid things!


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Well we do have motorcycle laws. And your use of food and exercise only affect my financial rights in terms of your consuming, or not consuming, healthcare. Hopefully we give that a pass. (and no I'm not a fan of the individual mandate in Obamacare)
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Oh, no. We can't allow people to do anything stupid.
 
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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That was tried and failed.
 
Ray From Cleveland said:
rightwinger said:
ScreamingEagle said:
ColonelAngus said:
Will the government will come save you? 4,000 deaths and 18,000 shootings on the South Side of Chicago during the Obama administration?

Rahm Emmanuel and Obama sure as fuck aren't going to come save your ass.
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Obama must have thought that so many gun deaths were just fine and dandy because Chicago has very strict gun laws.....

You can't account for stupid............or power-hungry
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Obama did not control Chicago...never did

He did try to implement tougher gun laws nationwide and was blocked by Republicans

So I guess we can blame Republicans
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Blame Republicans for what? Tougher gun laws won't stop one criminal from getting a gun.
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How many criminals have machine guns?
 
Dr Grump said:
Skull Pilot said:
It is a few. .005% of the population are murder victims annually an even smaller percentage commits those murders

Rifles are used in less than 2% of all murders and 1% of all murders are from mass shootings.

7 times more people were killed with knives than with rifles more than twice as many were killed with fists or feet.

Sorry but no matter how you slice it rifles are the least of our murder problems.
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How many people would have been killed by Paddock throwing knives from his 32nd floor window?
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See you people focus on the wrong things.

Mass killings cause 1% of all murders
1%

Rifles are used in less than 2% of all murders

Rifles are the least of our problems as far as murder is concerned
 
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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Seeing how well that worked before,was your tongue firmly in your cheek when you posted that?
 
Aries said:
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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We tried that once.... it didn't work.
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Worked for the Kennedy crime family.
 
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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Alcohol don't kill people. People kill people. :D
 
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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They tried that. It led to Prohibition and a massive crime wave.
 
mudwhistle said:
ColonelAngus said:
Drunk driving kills roughly 30 people EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA.

Alcohol is legal to consume with certain age and location limitations.

Drunk Driving is illegal....yet it happens...and people die.

We should ban all alcohol to make sure we never have any more drunk driving fatalities.

It's the only way to be sure and save 10,000 lives per year in America.
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They tried that. It led to Prohibition and a massive crime wave.
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Exactly.

Progs will try to eliminate the 2nd amendment by regulations. It will never be repealed through the proper legal channels, 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states will not vote to repeal the 2nd.
 
rightwinger said:
Ray From Cleveland said:
rightwinger said:
ScreamingEagle said:
ColonelAngus said:
Will the government will come save you? 4,000 deaths and 18,000 shootings on the South Side of Chicago during the Obama administration?

Rahm Emmanuel and Obama sure as fuck aren't going to come save your ass.
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Obama must have thought that so many gun deaths were just fine and dandy because Chicago has very strict gun laws.....

You can't account for stupid............or power-hungry
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Obama did not control Chicago...never did

He did try to implement tougher gun laws nationwide and was blocked by Republicans

So I guess we can blame Republicans
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Blame Republicans for what? Tougher gun laws won't stop one criminal from getting a gun.
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How many criminals have machine guns?
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None of them want a machine gun.


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